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Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 01:03 AM Dec 2015

Moderate Muslims Have Hit Their “Wall”

Why reforming Islam, even in the US, is difficult:

Moderate Muslims Have Hit Their “Wall”

How do you tell a radical homicidal Muslim from a moderate peace loving one?
Every Muslim humanist is asking themselves this question I first asked myself in September 2001.(...)

You really can’t tell until the moment before they pull the trigger, who is moderate and who is jihadi. Tashfeen has broken our moderate backbone, by revealing that she lived among us, unnoticed, normal, experiencing motherhood, enveloped in our secure community and yet, had radicalized.
And that’s the problem, that there are many others like her with exactly the same beliefs, who may not have been ignited yet by a radical cleric, but if the opportunity presented itself, they would follow. They’re like a dormant stick of dynamite, waiting for the fuse to be lit. The TNT is already in there.(...)

I went deep into the Midwest, wore a hijab for a year and lived there for 8 years. In that time, I attended ISNA gatherings, met with educated, professional people like myself who were also asking the same questions. They were looking to their faith for answers. And sure, there were efforts made to modernize Islam, but they were only superficial. We couldn’t do it. We couldn’t do it because there is a logical dilemma at the core of Islam. And that is, that the Quran is the last word of God, that it is perfect and unchangeable. And to even suggest such a thing is blasphemy and apostasy. (...)

I was raised in a Muslim country in the Middle East and religion was something we kept in its place, somewhere after school, soccer and cartoons. Here was a more distilled, pure and, most dangerously, a context-free Islam. There were no grandmothers here to sagely tell us which parts of the Quran to turn a blind eye to. There were no older cousins here who skipped Friday prayers and goofed off with their friends instead. Oh no. This was Islam simmered in a sauce of Midwestern sincerity, and boiled down to its dark, concentrated core. This was dangerous. (...)

- See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/camelswithhammers/2015/12/moderate-muslims-have-hit-their-wall/?ref_widget=popular&ref_blog=friendlyatheist&ref_post=acts-of-terrorism-rose-60-percent-in-one-year-and-youll-never-guess-what-the-main-cause-is#sthash.qAcGixoB.dpuf
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Moderate Muslims Have Hit Their “Wall” (Original Post) Yorktown Dec 2015 OP
self-hating, Islamophobic BS mwrguy Dec 2015 #1
Are you for real? Really? LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #2
Do you think Islam is a religion of peace? Yorktown Dec 2015 #3
Whoa, Muslim dares to criticise Islam! Oh no! mr blur Dec 2015 #5
Thank Allah for that Yorktown Dec 2015 #6
Yes, the other definitely is a horrible monster. mhatrw Dec 2015 #4
If that is what you got out of this piece... trotsky Dec 2015 #7
Going to war actually spreads it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #8
Yes, any criticism of the faith is a call for war. /sarcasm LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #9

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
2. Are you for real? Really?
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 01:17 AM
Dec 2015
So being a Muslim moderate these days is like running a race with a ball and chain attached to your feet. A handicap. Unless you can imagine what the world beyond that wall looks like, you can’t really navigate it. If you’re so terrified of blasphemy that you refuse to look over, you’re forever stuck. Right here. And behind you is the jihadi horde, laying claim to real Islam, practicing it to perfection, as it is laid out in the Quran. A veritable rock and a hard place. I feel your pain. I’ve been there. And it was untenable.


I encourage you to read the link, leaving the biases behind.
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
3. Do you think Islam is a religion of peace?
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 01:33 AM
Dec 2015

I mean, if an ex-Muslim can't say what's wrong about Islam,

I suppose it must mean the ideology of Islam has no blemishes.

And the crime of apostasy is there to help people stay on the right track?



 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
5. Whoa, Muslim dares to criticise Islam! Oh no!
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:37 AM
Dec 2015

Good job you were around on the internet to point out how awful she is.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
6. Thank Allah for that
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:02 AM
Dec 2015

I mean, tolerating a bit of dissent is OK, but an ex-Muslim going against religion?

Heresy!!

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
4. Yes, the other definitely is a horrible monster.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 05:27 AM
Dec 2015

And we all must go to war against such a horrible monster. There is no other choice.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
7. If that is what you got out of this piece...
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:03 AM
Dec 2015

you most definitely didn't read it.

So maybe that is where we should start. By encouraging Muslims to create safe spaces to challenge the logical fallacies and inconsistencies, not between translation to translation, but between Islam and the modern world.


Where is the call to war?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Going to war actually spreads it.
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 11:09 AM
Dec 2015

Some fires have to be fought differently than just frantically spraying water at it.

It requires a step back, look at 'how we got here', how to address the root causes, and then how to de-escalate the situation. Bombing nations creates the instability vacuum that these radicalized elements thrive in.

Maybe you didn't mean 'war' in that sense. But without more context, everyone will assume you mean something like the Bush Doctrine, which greatly contributed to the problem.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
9. Yes, any criticism of the faith is a call for war. /sarcasm
Thu Dec 17, 2015, 04:10 PM
Dec 2015

The article is well written and insightful. Your remark is misplaced even with the tag, and reveals that you didn't bother to read it. That's too bad, really.

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