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What is most difficult to comprehend is the familys response. Little Caroline was described by her family in the video as a church-going girl who enjoyed singing and playing outdoors, as if she understood and chose to accept Divine Revelation at 2 and go to church.
Acknowledging the tragedy, Carolines uncle said Its just tragic Its something that you cant prepare for, as if you should ever have to. The family believes that Caroline is in a better place.
The grandmother said It was Gods will. It was her time to go, I guess I just know shes in heaven right now and I know shes in good hands with the Lord.
http://www.occupydemocrats.com/family-of-toddler-shot-dead-by-5-year-old-brother-it-was-gods-will/
rug
(82,333 posts)religion caused her death!
amirite
bvf
(6,604 posts)Religion just provided an excuse to deny it.
rug
(82,333 posts)But you're much closer than cleanhippie is.
bvf
(6,604 posts)"Thy will be done" actually has meaning for a lot of people, as sick and twisted as that may be.
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)embarrass yourself on a progressive site.
bvf
(6,604 posts)to excuse herself or a family member from responsibility for a major fuck-up?
I'll bet you're just bursting with examples. I'll wait here.
rug
(82,333 posts)If anything, it's an acknowledgement of how far from God's will humans in general, and Christians in particular, behave.
Now, I don't know if, or how often, Sen. Warren prays, but whenever she says the "Our Father" she says those words.
It's much more fun to poke holes through cardboard, isn't it?
bvf
(6,604 posts)any time someone uses it as in this case. Nothing more than an existential shrug, and it's truly sad to see.
Nice of you to run interference for Scotty here, btw, but I'm still waiting for an answer from him.
Your own falls way short of the mark, especially given your obvious need to qualify the hell out of it.
Poking holes in cardboard is a challenge in comparison to showing how patently ridiculous is faith in imaginary beings.
rug
(82,333 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)and kindly provide an example of even one instance in which the use of the unqualified phrase rings truer for you.
Just trying to help, mind you, but I doubt you'll see it that way.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)I didn't know that.
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)Which in some circles is sick and twisted.
Me? I'm a fan of hers. So are many of us on DU.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)No, Warren doesn't.
Fuck your religion. If you think you can excuse that shit you post by holding up Elizabeth Warren as a human shield in absentia you've got a big fucking surprise coming.
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)And for most nonreligious people, it isn't!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)And then there are people like 'Flame' you're so desperate to champion, who are horrible bigoted monsters.
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)So what are you doing in the real world?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Is that the best you've got? Make it about my personal life now?
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Does she shit on kids trying to understand their sexuality, like your pal Flame?
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Warren Stupidity
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Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)but aren't the least bit surprised by your inability to provide one.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)You keep claiming she is a christian just like the ones in the article. I'm just trying to understand if it is your claim that all christians are as fucked up as these christians. I didn't think they were, but now we have this claim of yours and it seems that perhaps they are.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)glenn beck says the end times are coming and we should be afraid
I say if it is god's will then why are the Christians so upset about it??
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)we confiscate all guns.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Such an idea is absurd, if not practical.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)kill their two year old sister is perfectly okay.
Oh, I understand that confiscation won't happen, but so long as we arm little kids, or anyone at all can get a gun because the gun show loopholes and such make real gun laws a joke, then we can't begin to be surprised at the daily carnage.
I guess this particular incident counts as 45 or so people who are shot and killed every day by accident, not the thirty or so who are murdered by guns every day.
I personally find those numbers unacceptable, and anyone who defends gun ownership clearly thinks those numbers are just fine. At least the family is falling back on their faith. I don't happen to agree with them, but if it comforts them to think that God wanted their son to murder their daughter, who am I to suggest they should believe any differently.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Which is what you suggested. Which is absurd.
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)Pick and choose the laws you wish to live by, folks. In Kentucky, everything's a gamble, especially justice.
And still, there are some who question why I hold so much of law enforcement in total contempt.
Leontius
(2,270 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Seriously?
Wait, yeah, you probably are quite serious.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)And put them where they can't get ahold of guns til they're legally adults.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)If they want to leave loaded guns around for children to kill toddlers with, well, that's just up to the 'community' and no-one else, isn't it?
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Ms. Beall, a 64-year-old retiree, said she had not heard anyone in town call the parents irresponsible for giving a gun to a 5-year-old or for leaving it unlocked. Pointing fingers doesnt really accomplish anything, she said. Terrible mistakes happen, and I think thats what happened here.
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I think its nobody elses business but our towns, said a woman leaving a store, who like many people here declined to be interviewed. A woman who answered the phone at the office of John A. Phelps Jr., the chief executive of Cumberland County, whose seat is Burkesville, said, No, Im sorry no more statements, and hung up.
After the funeral service, two men advanced across North Main Street toward a single television crew present, from the German network RTL, and punched the cameraman, bloodying his face and knocking him down.
Two other men told a newspaper reporter, If you had any sense, youd get out of here. Youre next, buddy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/us/kentucky-town-rejects-girls-gun-death-as-a-symbol.html?_r=0
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/05/crickett-rifle-marketing-kids
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)a live grenade for his birthday, and he had pulled the pin and tossed it at his little brother like a ball, and killed him, would this brainless trooper have called it as an accident? I doubt it...but what happened is no different in principle. The only reason it is treated differently is the irrational worship of guns and the gun culture. But there are no "accidents" with guns. Only gross negligence and disregard for the basic rules of gun safety.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Igel
(35,300 posts)They have trouble with random accidents.
That death over there has to be part of a pattern. It must be somebody's fault. But you don't want to blame those you sympathize or empathize with, and when you think it was an accident or you can't/shouldn't be held responsible you have to find some other person.
Parents of ASD kids have to find somebody to blame. It can't be their fault. It can't be random. It has to be somebody else's fault. I mean, just bearing genes that predispose a kid to ASD is more than many can bear--and that's a guiltless kind of responsibility.
The ultimate buck stops with God. If you can't find somebody else to blame and can't accept that you have responsibility (this statement made without judgment as to whether these parents should or shouldn't bear responsibility), that leaves random chance or God. Since we humans don't handle random chance very well, that leaves God for those who believe in God.
Or we find enemies to blame with the same blind fervor.
KT2000
(20,576 posts)had killed one of your children - let's say in their own yard and the bullet traversed from the 5 y/o's house - if you would have felt there was definitely someone to blame?
The likelihood of a 5 year old with a rifle unsupervised shooting someone is very high. This was not a random accident. The person responsible for supervising the child is responsible for that child's behavior. If the 5 y/o walked into the street and was killed by a car, wouldn't the one responsible for supervising be responsible? That would be a no-brainer case of neglect.
Unfortunately, the worship of guns in our culture has come with a lack of responsibility for the damage they cause. That is not an act of god but a willful effort on the part of the NRA.
Brettongarcia
(2,262 posts)Daniel Boone and moonshiners and warring hillbillies, with guns, are folk heroes. Mich McConnell and libertarian Rand Paul are our senators.
Dorian Gray
(13,493 posts)trying desperately to wrap their minds around the horrible event. To understand the understandable.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)The Amish, for example, feel that it's God's will they have so many babies with disabilities. They know it's a result of inbreeding, a shrinking gene pool, but they refuse to take corrective action, claiming it's God's will their babies have birth defects.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I'm never very far wrong.
stone space
(6,498 posts)Did God give the kid a gun for his birthday?
Iggo
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struggle4progress
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