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Fri Apr 13, 2012, 12:57 PM

CAIR-Michigan sues FBI, Customs over alleged 'invasive religious questioning'

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120413/METRO/204130380/1409/metro/CAIR-Michigan-sues-FBI-Customs-over-alleged-invasive-religious-questioning-

BY ORALANDAR BRAND-WILLIAMS
APRIL 13, 2012 AT 12:17 PM

Detroit— The local Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-Michigan) has filed a lawsuit against the FBI and the Customs Border Patrol agencies for alleged "invasive religious questioning" and "prolonged detention" of Muslims at the U.S.-Canada border.

The line of questioning of Muslims reportedly included how many times a day they pray and who else prays in their mosques, according to CAIR-Michigan officials.

"Invasive religious questioning of American citizens without evidence of criminal activity is not only an affront to the Constitution but is also a waste of taxpayers' dollars," said CAIR-MI Executive Director Dawud Walid.

At a news conference Friday in front of the U.S. Eastern District courthouse on West Lafayette Boulevard downtown, Walid was joined by two plaintiffs in the case and other Muslim civil rights attorneys and an immigration activist.



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Reply CAIR-Michigan sues FBI, Customs over alleged 'invasive religious questioning' (Original post)
cbayer Apr 2012 OP
longship Apr 2012 #1
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #2
cbayer Apr 2012 #3
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #4
cbayer Apr 2012 #5
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #7
2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #6
ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #8

Response to cbayer (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 02:59 PM

1. Detroit area is a very strong Moslem community

Especially Dearborn, Henry Ford's town, which in the sixties Mayor Orville Hubbard successfully kept lily white. Ditto their private park, Camp Dearborn.

Kind of ironic that Dearborn is today precisely what Hubbard would have probably hated.

Concerning this case, it is apparent that the boarder guards are violating people's religious rights. I hope the government loses this one. In the US, the government doesn't have the right to question a citizen's religious practices.

Those boarder guards need to read the Constitution.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:09 PM

2. They need to learn that at the border, there are very few rights

The geeks learned this lesson recently as well.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:18 PM

3. Are you saying that you support what they are doing there?

While there are rules, I think constitutional rights still apply.

Who are the geeks?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #3)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:38 PM

4. No, I am saying it is most likely quite legal

The geek issues revolve around the confiscation and later return of laptops and other electronic media. There are no protections against any level of search when crossing the border. Few constitutional protections still apply. I will add some link on this later tonight.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #4)

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:49 PM

5. Did not know that. They can ask you anything? They can employ racial and religious profiling?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:24 AM

7. Here are some links

Here is a story about a marked individual who is a US citizen. There are others
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/mcgill-students-run-in-with-us-border-agents-prompts-lawsuit/article2395449/

Then there is the David House case.

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/03/29/2334220/judge-allows-bradley-manning-supporter-to-sue-government-over-border-search
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002497762

Here are some of the geek ones...

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/04/border-agents-c/
http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Protect_Your_Data_During_U.S._Border_Searches

There is some legal push back on the TSA abuses

http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/10/198234/federal-judge-limits-dhs-laptop-border-searches

Not everyone approves of this:
http://www.freep.com/article/20120224/NEWS05/202240343/Treatment-of-Latinos-Arabs-at-U-S-Canada-border-is-focus-of-forum

Its not just the US doing it:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/11/26/bc-amy-goodman-border-incident.html

When crossing a border, your rights against search and seizure are basically gone. Interrogation less clear, but they can delay you damn near as long as they want, even your home country. The TSA under the anti-terror label is doing things we would have never seen previously.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 02:40 AM

6. Nah, cbayer got it right.

I can almost see a smirk while I read post 2.

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 14, 2012, 10:26 AM

8. Any other cheap shots this AM?

You might read some of the links I posted. International borders bring with them a whole new set of rules.

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