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safeinOhio

(32,523 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 08:56 AM Apr 2015

Progressive Muslims

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/29/progressive-muslims-launch-gay-friendly-women-led-mosques_n_1368460.html

Progressive Muslims Launch Gay-Friendly, Women-Led Mosques In Attempt To Reform American Islam

Two weeks ago in Los Angeles, Zonneveld gathered with progressive Muslims at a Middle Eastern cultural center to inaugurate a new mosque. Sitting cross-legged in a circle with her companions, she sang the call to prayer, exulting the glory of God. She made a bold proclamation about the believers who were joining her that day. Muslims from San Francisco to Seattle tuned in via Skype.

"We are gender equal, queer-friendly and religiously nondiscriminatory," Zonneveld declared. "In other words, all are welcome. Allah tells us in the Quran that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was a 'mercy to the worlds.’"

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Progressive Muslims (Original Post) safeinOhio Apr 2015 OP
Good luck to them. trotsky Apr 2015 #1
That's a tired old canard you're peddling. rug Apr 2015 #4
I think the world is various shades of gray. safeinOhio Apr 2015 #6
That's a very hman way to approach human activity. rug Apr 2015 #7
What consensus? Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #19
Dust off your catechism rug Apr 2015 #21
Can't you just be happy for them and leave it at that? hrmjustin Apr 2015 #9
Very cool. I wish them the best. cbayer Apr 2015 #2
I heard on NPR an interview with this young lady safeinOhio Apr 2015 #3
I think young muslims in the us may radically change the way the world sees muslims…. cbayer Apr 2015 #5
Good to see edhopper Apr 2015 #8
And that right there is a good reason for liberals and progressive to make an cbayer Apr 2015 #10
What I write on a message board about religion edhopper Apr 2015 #11
I don't think I would write anything on a message board that I wouldn't say cbayer Apr 2015 #12
Because the people here edhopper Apr 2015 #13
Well my comment was about why it might be a good thing to cbayer Apr 2015 #14
It depends on the setting edhopper Apr 2015 #15
This has LONG been something you've contended... trotsky Apr 2015 #16
She's already setting us up to take the blame if the Dem candidate loses next year. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #23
The history is clear. trotsky Apr 2015 #24
I'd like to see her do that to other minorities on DU. beam me up scottie Apr 2015 #25
Your link proves Islam is problematic Yorktown Apr 2015 #17
ops edhopper Apr 2015 #18
Careful nil desperandum Apr 2015 #20
As you implied, one should not be careful in defense of free speech. Yorktown Apr 2015 #26
+1 pinto Apr 2015 #22

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
1. Good luck to them.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:00 AM
Apr 2015

Unfortunately, their interpretation of the Koran is just that: their interpretation. No more or less valid than others'.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
4. That's a tired old canard you're peddling.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:14 AM
Apr 2015

If you don't think religions have a consensus on what they believe, you're not paying attention. Or rather you are deliberately ignoring it. Why is that?

safeinOhio

(32,523 posts)
6. I think the world is various shades of gray.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:28 AM
Apr 2015

I try not to see anything as a black and white issue. I find this very true when it comes to religion and economics.

That is just me trying to keep an open mind, so I'll always be learning. I'm never right or wrong, just trying to learn.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
19. What consensus?
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:45 AM
Apr 2015

There is no consensus, only division, this is why there are so many different religions, and within those, so many different denominations, and even within those, so many different sects.

The beliefs vary so widely its surprising many of these people even claim to be of the same religion.

Consensus? I don't think so.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
21. Dust off your catechism
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:36 PM
Apr 2015

Read the Nicene Creed.

Read the Westminster and Augsburg Confessions.

Every major religion (and there are not that many) have a creed or a confession, in short, consensus.

There are far, far more points of agreement that division.

Westboro Baptist is a poor model from which to study ecclesiology.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Very cool. I wish them the best.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:01 AM
Apr 2015

I posted an article yesterday about a new muslim clothing line.

Islam adopts mainstream america. Perhaps this is where the period of enlightenment that many tout will come from.

safeinOhio

(32,523 posts)
3. I heard on NPR an interview with this young lady
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:09 AM
Apr 2015

but I can't find that one.
Here is one that is still pretty good.
I'm tend to be in favor of progressive anything. From Atheism to Islam.

http://www.npr.org/2013/12/30/258382710/muslim-pop-star-yuna-on-the-rise-in-america

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. I think young muslims in the us may radically change the way the world sees muslims….
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:18 AM
Apr 2015

and in a very good way.

I love to see the liberal/progressive muslims breaking out and redefining islam.

Thanks for the link. Another really interesting young woman.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. And that right there is a good reason for liberals and progressive to make an
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 10:39 AM
Apr 2015

effort not to alienate them.

edhopper

(33,164 posts)
11. What I write on a message board about religion
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:00 AM
Apr 2015

and what I would say or discuss with a Muslim, especially dependent on the setting, are two different things.

I fully supported the right of putting the Muslim Cultural Center "near" the WTC for instance.

I also never discuss religion on FB, it is not a good place for that.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
12. I don't think I would write anything on a message board that I wouldn't say
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:04 AM
Apr 2015

to someone in real life.

Why would you approach them differently?

edhopper

(33,164 posts)
13. Because the people here
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:11 AM
Apr 2015

are voluntarily engaging in a full throttled debate about religion.

Most people I meet don't want to. If a Muslim wanted to have a full on discussion, i would openly state my opinions.
I have been confronted by Christians about my soul and I don't hold back.
But when i am around friends and family, I live and let live. Religion an politics makes for awkward moments.
But I don't think it is proper to challenge a person's religion out of nowhere.


cbayer

(146,218 posts)
14. Well my comment was about why it might be a good thing to
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:15 AM
Apr 2015

not alienate muslims. Not saying that you should hold back from debate, but live and let live is a good policy.

Why would one think it's ok to alienate potential allies on the internet but not IRL?

I'm not talking about those that wish to engage on the topic vs. those that don't. It seems you are saying that you can let your real colors show on the internet, but know that wouldn't be the right thing to do IRL.

I don't understand the difference, I guess, though clearly it is true for many, many people. I think it's the anonymity that provides the basis for dismissing what would otherwise be accepted as just decent conduct.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
16. This has LONG been something you've contended...
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:11 PM
Apr 2015

yet you've never been able to offer up even the tiniest shred of evidence to support it.

Where is your evidence that someone posting their opinions about religion on an anonymous Internet message board will "alienate" believers from the Democratic party and its goals?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. She's already setting us up to take the blame if the Dem candidate loses next year.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:15 PM
Apr 2015

They always blame uppity minorities for being too vocal.

Blacks, women, lgbt people, atheists - just shut up and sit down, the party will take care of you, we promise...

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
17. Your link proves Islam is problematic
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 09:12 PM
Apr 2015
I would think Muslims in this country vote more Democratic, if only because the GOP is so insane about them.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/guess-who-u-s-muslims-are-voting-for/

Please note what is stated in your article:

Nearly half of 600 Muslim-American citizens polled who plan to vote in the 2012 presidential election believe parodies of Muhammad should be prosecuted criminally in the U.S., and one in eight say the offense is so serious violators should face the death penalty.

Who needs to have Charlie Hebdo killing sprees to silence mockery of religion if half of American muslims had their way? The courts would do the job.

Or the hangman, if 12% of Muslim-American citizens had their way.

Who exactly is insane on this issue?

nil desperandum

(654 posts)
20. Careful
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 10:31 AM
Apr 2015

with that "insane" word lest ye be called some sort of bigot for pointing out the factual data from the poll.

Free speech for the speech we abhor is something not quite clear to a great many people looking to stifle dissent by calling it some sort of hate speech and attempting to regulate or criminalize words.

Some are going to be offended regularly in a free society where all manner of ideas are allowed to see the light of day.

There is no right to live without being offended, one should expect to hear offensive things from those expressing views counter to their tender sensibilities.

Thank you for being straightforward in your response.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
26. As you implied, one should not be careful in defense of free speech.
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 02:49 AM
Apr 2015

All it takes for free speech to be curtailed is to let oneself be intimidated by name calling.

I liked your sentence:

There is no right to live without being offended, one should expect to hear offensive things from those expressing views counter to their tender sensibilities.
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