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Related: About this forumEvangelicals Are Changing Their Minds on Gay Marriage
And the Bible isnt getting in their way.
By JIM HINCH July 07, 2014
Amy Tincher is an evangelical Christian who plays bass in the band at her suburban Ohio church, where she and her fellow congregants firmly believe the words we adhere to are those in the Bible. But last summer, without telling her husband and two kids exactly what she was doing, she boarded a plane for a conference in Kansas whose purpose many evangelicals would plainly consider heretical.
Tincher was one of 50 people flown from around the country and the worldCanada, China, Nigeria and South Koreato a four-day Bible boot camp dedicated to discussing, and embracing, gay relationships. The gathering was organized by Matthew Vines, who by then was enjoying modest fame for a 2012 YouTube video in which Vines, looking even younger than his 21 years, delivers an hour-long lecture arguing that the Bible does not, in fact, condemn all same-sex relationships. The video has gone viral, racking up more than 730,000 views to date, landing Vines on the cover of the New York Times Sunday Styles section and helping him raise $100,000 for the conference, where he launched The Reformation Project, a nationwide network of pro-gay evangelicals committed to ending their churchs longstanding hostility toward gay people.
Tincher told me she had once tried on an anti-gay attitude to fit in with her conservative community in Liberty Township, outside Cincinnati, but like many evangelicals, she struggled to see how homophobia could accord with an all-loving Christian God. So when her pastor sent her a link to Vines video, she recalls, I remember sitting in my kitchen and just crying. I knew it in my heart, but I had never been told that from the pulpit.
Its no secret that attitudes toward same-sex relations have changed in this country: Gay marriage is legal in 19 states plus the District of Columbia, and all major public opinion surveys now show a majority of Americans are in favor of it. But Matthew Vines and Amy Tincher are no longer outliers either: Increasingly, even evangelical Christians, long known for doctrinally condemning homosexuality, are embracing gay people, too.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/evangelicals-gay-marriage-108608.html#ixzz36rKffRWY
merrily
(45,251 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)My response has to do with why there was such strong motive to put them to sleep on this issue (and others) in the first place.
I am not saying that was the motive for all evangelical clergy, but there is a herd mentality, to. And some may have been sincere, but misguided. However, the things I mentioned do help fund-raising, whether you are sincere or not.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)I think that GLBT civil rights and abortion were used by the neo-cons to get them politically active and organized. It was very effective to a point.
The good news is that there is a clear positive trend, at least in the area of GLBT rights.
merrily
(45,251 posts)The person in the article said that she had never heard it from the pulpit, though she knew somewhere inside that the bigotry was wrong. That is what I reacted to in my first post.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)The conservatives have really changed their thinking pretty quickly considering the liberals just became 100 percent in support.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)"God's word is never changing," they say, but it changes, or is interpreted differently, quite often.
Most don't know that the Southern Baptists were founded as a breakaway from national Baptists because they wanted to keep slavery intact. They did apologize for that, though, in about 1994, so that made everything OK. And yes, the bible was used in the debate against slavery, but was used more forcibly to allow it to happen in the first place.
If reasonable denominations hadn't sat by and allowed louder, hate-filled "christian" groups to dominate the discussion over the past 30+ years, they might not be losing members as fast as the obvious haters are (though the haters may be gaining thanks to giving out guns, I don't know).
There was something I learned about not being lukewarm, etc. too bad, church mouses, should have made some noise. (Yes, I know, "mice."
On edit: forgot to mention the prophet motive. Changing views brings in members = cash.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)the religious right to make the kind of inroads that they made, but I think that is changing and changing rather rapidly.
IMO, it's important to note who they are and support them.
I think the change noted in the evangelical population is coming from the masses, not the leaders. But the leaders will follow if that is where their target population is going.
quakerboy
(13,920 posts)As more and more youth leave the church over this issue, all but the hardcore haters will acknowledge their mistake and change policy. There's always someone else to hate on and feel superior to. The only real question is will they do enough soon enough to stop the flow before they bleed out.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)or working on breaking down the separation of church and state in this country. Praise the Lord!
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)who don't view gay marriage as a big deal. Of course, they are urbanites who encounter/interact with gays almost daily... not suburban/rural batshit crazy types.
Interestingly, the catholic church once had zero interest in marriages of any type... it was strictly a civil matter. Then at some point in the middle ages, they figured they could make money on it and exert more control over the flock. That alone is the reason churches got involved in marriage.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But keep this in mind, as a lesson for those who look to 'churches' for moral guidance.
They don't know any better than you do.
toby jo
(1,269 posts)Next up -
Overpopulation is not good, family planning is.
Respect the earth. Respect woman.
Lift up the poor.
Mastering your emotions is a complex task and creates empowerment, lay down your weapons and give it a try.
~ peace ~