luke10: 25- 28

[arely staircase]

25 Then an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. He said, “Teacher, what must I do to get eternal life?”26 Jesus said to him, “What is written in the law? What do you understand from it?”27 The man answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, all your strength, and all your mind.’[a] Also, ‘Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.’”28 Jesus said, “Your answer is right. Do this and you will have eternal life.”

[JEFF9K]

1. LUKE ALSO SAYS ...

That married people don't go to heaven:

LUKE 20:35
But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

[okasha]

10. Uh, no.

He says that people do not get married in heaven nor are they still married to the spouses they took in life. The Pharisee's question and Jesus's answer both assume that the whole crew gets to heaven.

[JEFF9K]

11. That's not what it says.

20:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

[okasha]

12. That's exactly what it says.

No weddings in heaven.

By your interpretation, neither Jesus's mother, nor Peter nor most of the rest of the Apostles could have gotten into heaven.

Your interpretation makes about as much sense as the cockamamie maunderings of another poster whose explications come from somewhere out in the ozone. Maybe you two should get together.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. The first Christ followers thought they

were the last generation and that this alleged kingdom of heaven was imminent. The centuries since then have been spent explaining why instead it will be real soon now, and inventing new interpretations for the texts to fit the now nearly 2000 year wait.

[JEFF9K]

14. Your editorial comment in post #10 is an opinion. ...

... The scripture I posted clearly says that married people can't go to heaven. YOU have to jump through some hoops to come to YOUR conclusion. And your illogical insult reflects badly upon you.

[okasha]

16. So you don't think Jesus's mother

or his apostles went to heaven? And with the accumulating indication that Jesus was married, apparently he didn't get in either.

Show me one atom of support for your nonsensical interpretation, and I'll consider it.

[cbayer]

18. Actually, one need look no further than the verse directly preceding this one:

Jesus replied, "Marriage is for people here on earth.

[okasha]

20. How does it follow from that that"married people cannot go to heaven?

And kindly answer the other questions I asked. Jesus's mother, most or all of his twelve specially chosen followers, and quite likely Jesus himself were married. Do you believe that Jesus is here excluding them--and possibly himself---from heaven?

[cbayer]

21. I have not a clue.

I have never heard any such thing.

Perhaps it is just one of the internet memes that takes on a life of it's own because no one actually bothers to read it in context?

[okasha]

22. That's OK.

No one else does, either. It looks like something off one of those "mean Jesus" lists that claim that Jesus wanted to torment children because he said, "Suffer the little children to come to me."

[cbayer]

23. Probably the same place you can find "Heaven would suck… if it were real."

http://www.atheismresource.com/2010/heaven-would-suck-if-it-were-real

[okasha]

24. Oops.

A.post mis-nested. Tiny little screen on my mobile.

Agreed that "marriage" is for people here on earth. What does follow is that marriages made during earthly life do not remain in force in heaven. Neither are new marriages contracted there.

[cbayer]

25. okasha, my friend. You keep replying to me when I think you mean to reply to someone else.

[okasha]

27. Sorry.

You're quite.right. I'm posting from my mobile, and it has a tiny little screen with a tiny little keypad. Since I'm an art student with a concentration in ceramics I don't have fingernails to type with, and frequently click the wrong link. I should probably get a stylus.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. Yet another reason heaven sounds like it sucks.

[cbayer]

19. Other than not getting married, what else about heaven do you think would suck?

[AtheistCrusader]

26. I base this on that poster's evaluation.

"nor are they still married to the spouses they took in life."

If true, them's fighting words. It also strongly implies a revocation of free will.

And this is a common interpretation I get, especially from evangelical Christians, of course, a subset of people who believe in heaven.

Going by common Christian descriptions of heaven (of which I don't actually believe is real, of course.) it sounds awful. 24-7 adulation of god. 'fixed bodies'. Etc.

It sounds like the scenario in the movie the Matrix, where the machines first made us a simulation that is perfect, and great, and the humans rejected it, committing suicide, etc.

It sounds too artificial. And again, there's that sticky bit of knowledge/free will. Sounds like it is surrendered on entry. Which I find an interesting bookend, since this whole alleged process began with humans discovering knowledge, when they were ordered not to touch it.


Again, this is only in reference to some Abrahamic religions.

[cbayer]

15. I read that entirely differently and have never heard your interpretation.

The way I read it is that once dead and resurrected, a person will not in the new place (and in the future) be married or given in marriage. My reading is that there will be no need for marriage in the life to come after death.

I sure don't read it as married people don't go to heaven. That would be, well, silly.

[trotsky]

2. What do you think it means to "love your neighbor as yourself?" n/t

[arely staircase]

3. we are all in this together so don't put yourself before others nt

[trotsky]

4. Do you believe you've been doing a good job of that lately? n/t

[arely staircase]

5. no nt

[trotsky]

6. That's very big of you to admit.

Respect.

[arely staircase]

7. thank you and I have truly enjoyed our discussion on all of this. refreshing nt

[immoderate]

8. I follow Dalton's Rule #1 from "Road House."

Always be nice.

It covers most situations. Nothing works all the time. And speaking of "eternal life," what if you sign up, and you find ample amusement for hundreds of millions, maybe a few billions of years. And then you 'suddenly' decide you've had enough -- can you check out?

Do you jump off a bridge? Will that kill you? Can you fly? Is there 'Kryptonite?' Are you sure you'll feel so optimitic after a couple of billion ears of ... what?

--imm

[arely staircase]

9. rhe gospel of swayze was rejected at Nicea

It was a close vote. But in the end it didn't make the cut. Now many Swaziens practiced that version of Cristianity for generations but were eventually oppressed to the point of oblivion. Not so much for their views on eternity but for their dirty dancing..