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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 12:52 PM Apr 2014

New Jersey school sued over "under God" in pledge

Posted: Apr 21, 2014 12:36 PM EDT

FREEHOLD, N.J. (AP) - A family is suing a New Jersey school district, contending that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance is discriminatory toward atheist children.

The lawsuit against the Matawan-Aberdeen Regional School District was filed in state court last month and announced Monday by the American Humanist Association. The group says the phrase, added in 1954, "marginalizes atheist and humanist kids as something less than ideal patriots."

The anonymous plaintiffs say those two words violate the state constitution. According to the suit, the humanist group complained to school officials in February, but the district would not change the pledge.

The group is awaiting a ruling from a court on a similar case in Massachusetts.

http://www.abc27.com/story/25298792/new-jersey-school-sued-over-under-god-in-pledge

The Complaint is found at the link below.

http://americanhumanist.org/news/details/2014-04-humanists-file-lawsuit-against-under-god-in-the-pled

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New Jersey school sued over "under God" in pledge (Original Post) rug Apr 2014 OP
The statute says the board of education should require the pledge. The definitions struggle4progress Apr 2014 #1
The entire Pledge should be scrapped. rug Apr 2014 #2
+infinity LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #3
I wouldn't object. But there always seems to be a noisy contingent in support of it, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #4
That's the best solution. okasha Apr 2014 #5

struggle4progress

(118,281 posts)
1. The statute says the board of education should require the pledge. The definitions
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 05:41 PM
Apr 2014

make clear that board refers to the local board of education, as opposed to state board (which refers to the state board of education). In NJ, local boards are elected (usually but perhaps not always in November)

The local superintendent, on the other hand, is hired by the local board. David M. Healy is currently superintendent of the Matawan-Aberdeen school district, but in March he was offered a position as superintendent of the Toms River school district by the Toms River board and seems to be planning to leave Matawan-Aberdeen for the Toms River position. I suppose the styling "in his capacity as" means that the name of Healy's successor will be substituted for Healy's name in the suit, when and if he moves to Toms River

It is less clear to me why the defendants are named as the school district and the local superintendent. The state law refers to the local board, which hires the local superintendent and sets policy for the local district. This may reflect a weakness of the suit. I have been unable to determine what steps plaintiffs actually took in February, but both the timing and the styling of the suit might suggest a failure to attempt all possible administrative remedies before filing. Notable in particular is the lack of any specific reference to district or local board policy, which ought have been uncovered in the course of seeking administrative remedy

Another weakness of the suit seems to me the claim that doechild wishes to say the pledge. Insofar as the statute cited says "pupils who have conscientious scruples .. shall not be required to render such .. pledge," a natural rejoinder might be "What prevents doechild from rendering the pledge but omitting the words under God?" -- for surely if a child has the right to refrain entirely from the pledge, on the grounds that a portion offends conscience, the child has a right to recite a portion of the pledge, refraining from the two words that offend conscience. That particular approach would likely to pass generally un-noticed, hence would attract little attention, positive or negative

The complaint unfortunately also incorporates a number of irrelevant matters, such as reference to unenforceable laws in states other than New Jersey or reference to the collapse of the Soviet Union, having no immediate bearing on the issues of New Jersey law and practice. The reference to the Maryland constitution is particularly infelicitous, since the provision cited was directly and explicitly invalidated by the Supreme Court in Torcaso v. Watkins over fifty years ago; it is certainly a waste of time to incorporate such matter, and it may be counter-productive, insofar as it forces the court to spend time on arguments about relevancy which are certain to be resolved against the defendants. And, of course, Matawan-Aberdeen itself is in the New York metropolitan area, which is perhaps one of the most culturally diverse metropolitan areas in the country

I would myself prefer to see the two words in question removed from the Pledge, but I think there is little chance of removal by judicial process. The courts generally seem to regard "under God" in the Pledge and "In God We Trust" on the coinage as conventions that contain no actual doctrinal stances, that do not require affirmation or denial of any actual doctrinal stances, and that do not reward or punish any actual doctrinal stances. The prospect is worse when we have such a rambling complaint

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
3. +infinity
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 05:48 PM
Apr 2014

Loyalty pledges should not be encouraged by the government to little children who do not really understand what they are saying in the first place!

struggle4progress

(118,281 posts)
4. I wouldn't object. But there always seems to be a noisy contingent in support of it,
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 06:05 PM
Apr 2014

and I can generally find a thousand other things that matter more to me than whether or not people say the Pledge

okasha

(11,573 posts)
5. That's the best solution.
Mon Apr 21, 2014, 08:32 PM
Apr 2014

Since it seems unlikely, though, I wonder why it's being approached as fourteenth amendment issue rather than an establishment.case.

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