Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:55 AM
H2O Man (56,096 posts)
Marquez by KO in 6 !
When a fighter goes down face-first, they are almost always counted out. And so it was tonight in Las Vegas, when Juan Manuel Marquez flattened Manny Pacquiao at the end of the sixth round.
The fight was outstanding. Pacquiao outboxed Marquez for the first two rounds. Then, in the third, Marquez landed a hard overhand right that snapped Pac Manís head back, and deposited him on his back. Manny got up, and fought back through the end of the round.
Marquez took the 4th round, in which both men landed hard blows. In the 5th, Pacquiao scored a flash knockdown, and then administered a beating on an obviously hurt Marquez.
It was evident that Marques had a broken nose when he came out for the sixth round. Pacquiao was dominating the action, but appeared to be somewhat tired after expending a great amount of energy in the last round. He began to pressure Marquez in the final thirty seconds of the round, moving Marquez into the ropes. Then it happened: Marquez countered with a straight right, that put Pacquiao out, flat on his face. He was out cold for several minutes.
This was their 4th bout. The first was a draw; Pacquiao won the second by split-decision; and won the third by a highly-disputed majority decision.
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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:12 AM
doublethink (6,102 posts)
1. Excelent synopsis of the fight H2O Man.
Mitt Romney shows up to Manny Pacquiao's locker room before the fight and gives him a pep talk. Manny proceeds to get the fuck knocked out. Knocked out cold face down arms underneath his torso which scared the hell out of me for the guy. Best part of the fight is when Manny came-to a few minutes later. That was a scary knockout, and I wish nothing like that on anybody in the fight game.
Anyway Romney and his wife just need to go the hell away at this point.
Good fight while it lasted. Scary ending but good.
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Sun Dec 9, 2012, 02:14 PM
H2O Man (56,096 posts)
5. I think it's
interesting to consider what would have happened, had Pac Man and Floyd fought a couple years back, when both were at their peak.
I can appreciate why many people believed Manny would win -- or at least had a very good chance of winning. I was not among them. In my interview with former champ Greg Haugen, I remember discussing that potential Super Fight. It's interesting that Greg and his good friend, the legendary Roberto Duran, both believed that Floyd would flatten Pacquiao in five rounds. Indeed, Mayweather's counter-right -- much faster and more powerful than Marquez's -- was the punch they were fully confident would end the fight.
Likewise, guys like Teddy Atlas and the late Manny Steward also felt that Floyd would dominate Pacquiao in the ring.
Haugen, Duran, and Atlas have all questioned the boxing community's near-instant decision to rank Pacquiao high, among boxing's all time greats. And, in fact, they all raise interesting points, including Team Pacquiao's very careful match-making (for example, Oscar de la Hoya was shot, and drained himself even more, to make weight), and his use of performance-enhancing substances.
Manny Stewart was definitely more generous in his praise of Pacquiao. However, he was not syrupy as the other HBO announcers: he was able to accurately note both Pac Man's many strengths, and the few flaws in his style.
I believe that Pacwquiao deserves solid recognition as one of the great fighters of this era; as a warrior who produced very real excitement in boxing; and as a champion who would have been able to compete with almost anyone his size in ring history. Is he equal to, say, the great Henry Armstrong? Jim Lampley says yes; Teddy Atlas says no. They are both right, in their own way. Pacquiao was, at his best, able to dominate a lot of top fighters -- including great ones -- and win titles in numerous divisions. Yet, Hammering Hank fought at a time when there were only eight titles; he held three at once, in three of the four most competitive divisions, and he really won the middleweight title. ( A pre-fight condition the champion demanded was that Armstrong could only win by KO, and that if he won on the scorcards, it would be ruled a draw. The champ could win by knockout or decision!) If one looks at Henry's record, the amount of fights-per-year he was engaged in is hard to believe. Plus, title fights were 15 rounds.
How would a prime Pacquiao have done with a prime Armstrong or Duran? People can make a case either way, and have fun debating such things. Likewise, putting him against a Hearns or Leonard makes for a fun imaginary fight. I think those guys would have beat Manny. But I am sure that a prime Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest welterweight ever, would be the only guy who would have had a relatively easy time against Pacquiao. No shame in that.