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Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:58 AM

John Carter of Mars - is it worth taking a look at,

or is it totally unreadable these days?

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Reply John Carter of Mars - is it worth taking a look at, (Original post)
hedgehog Feb 2012 OP
DavidDvorkin Feb 2012 #1
quakerboy Feb 2012 #2
PufPuf23 Feb 2012 #3
Odin2005 Feb 2012 #4
Ichingcarpenter Mar 2012 #5
semillama Mar 2012 #6
getting old in mke Mar 2012 #7
PufPuf23 Mar 2012 #8
Codeine Mar 2012 #9
hedgehog Mar 2012 #10
Odin2005 Mar 2012 #11
sonias Apr 2012 #12

Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2012, 02:54 PM

1. The books are still a lot of fun

I reread them recently.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Feb 9, 2012, 07:18 PM

2. Super fluffy

A whole lot more fiction than science in them there books. But fun to read.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Feb 9, 2012, 07:27 PM

3. Yes - I read them back in grade school in the early 60s

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but gathered up all but Chessman of Mars (of the eleven) at used book stores in the 90s

They are on a small bookshelf in a spare bedroom with all 29 Jim Thompson (weird crime noire like the Getaway and The Grifters and Pop 1280 etc) novels and other oddities (Vonnegut's Player Piano published as Utopia-40 in England, Kilgore Trout's Venus on a Half Shell, old Ursula Lequin, etc).

Started reading The Princess of Mars for the 1st time in 40 years because of your post and found great escapism and adult writing.

I liked The Mars books much better than Tarzan by ERB.

ERB and Bradbury's Martian Chronicles and Ace doubles are my childhood memories of science fiction.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:28 PM

4. Fluff for teenage boys.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 7, 2012, 07:27 AM

5. Adolescent Boys like me..

My reading level improved from 5.2 to ,6.4 after I got captured by the sexy covers by Frank Frazetta of the paperbacks of the series. yes it was fluff


Carl Sagen loved them too growing up

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Thu Mar 8, 2012, 02:13 PM

6. I've heard that the movie is great eye candy but not very hefty in terms of plot or story

Also, very long.

Might have to sneak out to see it by myself, since really I just want to see Barsoom up on the screen and frankly don't need it to be a great film.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Fri Mar 9, 2012, 10:14 AM

7. Michael Chabon screenplay?

David Brin posted yesterday: "Let me be plain. I don’t care what the critics say. If Chabon scripted John Carter, I am going to run out and watch John Carter. With ears as wide open as my eyes. "

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Tue Mar 13, 2012, 11:51 PM

8. Look at Project Gutenberg re: ERB and Mars - March 13, 2012

Top 100 EBooks yesterday

1.A Princess of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs (2179)
2.The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana by Vatsyayana (791)
3.The Gods of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs (675)
4.The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (655)
5.Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain (646)
6.Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen (619)
7.The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (614)
8.Grimm's Fairy Tales by Jacob Grimm and Wilhelm Grimm (588)
9.Novelas Cortas by Pedro Antonio de Alarcón (528)
10.Warlord of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs (524)
11.English Literature by William J. Long (518)
12.Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka (507)
13.Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll (487)
14.How to Analyze People on Sight by Elsie Lincoln Benedict and Ralph Paine Benedict (485)
15.Thuvia, Maid of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs (468)
16.Ulysses by James Joyce (420)
17.The Great Events by Famous Historians, Volume 03 (419)
18.Frankenstein by Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley (411)
19.Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman (388)
20.The Chessmen of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs (376)
21.Creation Myths of Primitive America by Jeremiah Curtin (353)
22.Great Expectations by Charles Dickens (341)
23.The Gods of Mars by Edgar Rice Burroughs (335)



Top 100 Authors yesterday

1.Burroughs, Edgar Rice (6170)
2.Doyle, Arthur Conan, Sir (3095)
3.Twain, Mark (2471)
4.Dickens, Charles (2323)
5.Austen, Jane (1726)
6.Shakespeare, William (1687)
7.Poe, Edgar Allan (1187)
8.Carroll, Lewis (1117)
9.Verne, Jules (1080)
10.Wilde, Oscar (1049)
11.Burton, Richard Francis, Sir (1019)
12.Wells, H. G. (Herbert George) (945)
13.Tolstoy, Leo, graf (845)
14.Kafka, Franz (844)
15.Grimm, Wilhelm (844)
16.Grimm, Jacob (844)
17.Vatsyayana (817)
18.Bhide, Shivaram Parashuram (791)
19.Indrajit, Bhagavanlal (791)
20.Joyce, James (789)
21.Wodehouse, P. G. (Pelham Grenville) (782)
22.Plato (780)
23.Dumas, Alexandre (740)
24.Stevenson, Robert Louis (724)
25.Dostoyevsky, Fyodor (684)

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 10:54 AM

9. Reading it on my Kindle right now.

Much better than I expected.

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Response to hedgehog (Original post)

Mon Mar 19, 2012, 11:40 AM

10. I don't know about the books, but the movie is fantastic!

I think it is getting poor reviews because of its complexity. You can't relax for a minute or you're going to miss something.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:39 PM

11. I thought the acting was a bit wooden.

It was OK, not great.

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Response to hedgehog (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 06:41 PM

12. I enjoyed it too

Caught it this weekend. After I saw the film I searched around for a review that would reaffirm my view. I know it's not getting a lot of positive reviews, but I found one I really liked. This is the one that got it close for me.

Christopher Orr - The Atlantic 3/9/12
The Hokey Fun of 'John Carter'

You can take the boy out of Pixar, but can you take Pixar out of the boy? That question was raised last year by Mission: Impossible-Ghost Protocol and now by John Carter, the first two big live-action films to be directed by members of Pixar's enviable stable of writer/producer/directors. The provisional answer, I'm happy to report, is no—or at least, not entirely.

The Pixarian in question this time is Andrew Stanton, who, in addition to directing Finding Nemo and Wall-E, essentially served as the studio's in-house screenwriter on its first five films, and has played some role (executive producer, voice actor) in every Pixar film save Cars 2. As a movie, John Carter is not near the level of Stanton's Pixar work—but then, how could it be? The studio's magic is in large part the result of its collaborative ethos and the animators' freedom from the demands of a live-action shooting schedule. Still, the modest charms of John Carter are another reminder that Pixar's success is due not merely to a triumph of process, but to a collection of exceptional individual filmmakers.

The plot is not a selling point. But the film understands that, at the end of the day, we are there to have fun. The first installment of the John Carter saga, upon which the movie is loosely based, was penned by Edgar Rice Burroughs (of Tarzan fame) 100 years ago. Entitled Under the Moons of Mars when it was first published serially, and retitled A Princess of Mars when it was later released as a novel, it is an ur-text of modern genre fiction—pulp, science, fantasy, and superhero—an important forebear not only of Superman but of Brave New World as well. It is, however, by any objective measure, an awful book: inert in style, haphazard in plot, and woefully, annihilatingly devoid of humor. Given such source material, Stanton's John Carter might easily have been the kind of glum, tooth-clenchingly self-serious "entertainment" of which we have seen so much in recent years.

But it's not. Rather, Stanton embraces the inescapable ridiculousness of his premise and adds several additional doses of likable whimsy.


I certainly wasn't expecting a LoTR kind of presentation, so I felt like I got what I paid for. Good entertainment for my money.

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