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Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:24 PM

Map That Should Be In School Books?

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Reply Map That Should Be In School Books? (Original post)
KittyWampus Aug 2013 OP
NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
Jenoch Aug 2013 #2
pscot Aug 2013 #3
madamesilverspurs Aug 2013 #4
rurallib Aug 2013 #5
Rozlee Aug 2013 #39
A Little Weird Aug 2013 #6
Martin Eden Aug 2013 #7
mysuzuki2 Aug 2013 #8
CarrieLynne Aug 2013 #9
Hydra Aug 2013 #11
KittyWampus Aug 2013 #15
DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #18
Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #10
Hydra Aug 2013 #12
niyad Aug 2013 #13
RVN VET Aug 2013 #14
ANOIS Aug 2013 #16
DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #17
eppur_se_muova Aug 2013 #27
ErikJ Aug 2013 #19
dbackjon Aug 2013 #31
Iliyah Aug 2013 #20
jimlup Aug 2013 #21
KittyWampus Aug 2013 #22
KittyWampus Aug 2013 #23
KittyWampus Aug 2013 #25
jimlup Aug 2013 #28
eppur_se_muova Aug 2013 #24
KittyWampus Aug 2013 #26
AnneD Aug 2013 #29
dbackjon Aug 2013 #32
Fearless Aug 2013 #30
defacto7 Aug 2013 #33
xocet Aug 2013 #34
dougolat Aug 2013 #38
malthaussen Aug 2013 #35
Name removed Aug 2013 #36
GaribaldiB5 Aug 2013 #37
secondvariety Aug 2013 #40
greiner3 Aug 2013 #41
tclambert Aug 2013 #42
unionthug777 Aug 2013 #43

Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:27 PM

1. Yes, indeed.

It most certainly should be in US History books.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:29 PM

2. That is an interesting map.

What is the source?

I grew up in former Dakota lands.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:30 PM

3. Absolutely

It's the new geography.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:31 PM

4. Absolutely.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:41 PM

5. it would be nice to see a map of Africa

before the Europeans started slicing it like a piece of meat also.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:51 PM

39. And the Palestianians as well.

I get aggravated hearing people say there was never any country called Palestine. There was never a country call The United States of Native Americans either. Yet, it was taken from them.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:44 PM

6. Of course

Provided it's accurate (I don't know enough about the subject). I love maps and think they should be incorporated into school far more than they are.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:58 PM

7. I like it!

I've done a lot of hiking in Shawnee National Forest in southern Illinois, and I can see Shawnee on the map there!

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:13 PM

8. Similar maps were in a lot of my school books.

That may be due to the fact that my college degrees were in Anthropology though. I do agree that info on Native American history and cultures should be incorporated in elementary and secondary education too.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:32 PM

9. I wonder why humans feel the need to be separate from each other?

even back then....any country really - why not recognize we could do so much better if we lived as one?

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Response to CarrieLynne (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:59 PM

11. It's a funny human trait

We only get along in groups of a certain size. Also, if there aren't many of us, we work together pretty well. Too many of us or a life/death situation, and we start killing each other.

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Response to CarrieLynne (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:06 AM

15. it seems to be somehow wrapped up in language.

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Response to CarrieLynne (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:16 AM

18. I don't think this is division, separation, etc.

I think this just shows dispersion based on native languages.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:35 PM

10. It was in my American History book.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:00 PM

12. Wish that had been in my history book

I got the Ronald Reagan revision.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:28 PM

13. great map, but with the anti-actual facts cretins in charge of the textbook committees, this won't

happen.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:53 PM

14. Would be interesting to see a historical representation

showing the shift and drift of amerindian nations over time -- especially since, ahem, 1492.

It would also be interesting to see a population map. I've heard that there were significantly more amerindians in the Western Hemisphere than is popularly believed. Significantly more, that is, that suffered the blunt force of genocidal (mostly) white expansion and conquest.



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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:11 AM

16. Yes! Yes! Yes!

I am a map person, also, & it brings whatever the subject is to life.

PLUS, geography is so much a part of history, & important that facts not be left out.

This is part of an important culture.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:15 AM

17. Very enlightening

My maternal grandmother was one-quarter Cherokee, so I suppose I have some Native American blood along with my Swiss-German and Scots-Irish.

Back when I was in grade school, the injustices against the Native Americans were just starting to be made known.

Yes, this map should be in school books...but five'll get you ten it wouldn't make it into Texas' "patriotic American" curriculum.

One thing I'm curious about, though, is the term "Eskimo"...I've thought that the native peoples of the Canadian Arctic and Alaska prefer the term "Inuit."

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Response to DissidentVoice (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:05 PM

27. These are language *families*, which may have several members each.

Today, the two main groups of Eskimos are the Inuit of northern Alaska, Canada and Greenland, and the Yupik of Central Alaska. The Yupik comprise speakers of four distinct Yupik languages that originated in western Alaska, in South Central Alaska along the Gulf of Alaska coast, and the Russian Far East.

The term Eskimo is still in common use, and particularly in Alaska to include both Yupik and Inupiat. No universal term other than Eskimo, inclusive of all Inuit and Yupik people, exists for the Inuit and Yupik peoples. In Canada and Greenland, the term Eskimo has fallen out of favour, as it is sometimes considered pejorative and has been replaced by the term Inuit. The Canadian Constitution Act of 1982, sections 25 and 35 recognized the Inuit as a distinctive group of aboriginal peoples in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo



Every time I read about the Eskimo/Inuit controversy, I get a slightly different understanding ... perhaps it is best to recognize the situation is in flux. Last I heard the Alaskan group had decided the "Eskimo" referred to themselves specifically, and not to other Inuit. YMMV, apparently.

Apple recognizes "Inukituk" as the term for the language of the Inuit:



I thought the term "Sioux" was also considered pejorative, but can't find corroboration in a quick search.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:24 AM

19. How did Apache get so lost from rest of Athabaskan?

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:04 PM

31. The Navajos and the Apaches (both Athabaskan languages)

Migrated south over the centuries. The rest of the Athabaskans stayed in the north. When the Hopis settled their Mesas, there were no Navajos in the area.


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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:25 AM

20. My father has a map

just like that for more than 30 years. Thanks!

K & R

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:30 AM

21. Do you have a link for this?

I will use it in my Big History class. We spend a unit on Native American culture and the great dying.

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Response to jimlup (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:51 AM

22. It's off facebook but comported w/what I remembered from Anthropology days (one of my majors in U.)

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Response to jimlup (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:54 AM

23. Googling "Native American Linguistic Groups" here's another map. I'd suggest doing similar search

and tracking down a source from a University, for example.


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Response to jimlup (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:55 AM

25. One more from an .edu website

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:07 PM

28. Excellent - thanks - these are very helpful /nt

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:54 AM

24. Be sure to attach a date to it ... those boundaries shifted plenty before whites immigrated. nt

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:55 AM

26. VERY good point!

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:09 PM

29. It came down to resources......

especially food and water. Prime hunting grounds were fiercely protected. Columbus didn't have much trouble when he came to the islands, but the Vikings, British, French and Spanish encountered more difficulty. The boundary lines among the tribes had stabilized some what after years of fighting-thus the Indians were prepared to some degree.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:05 PM

32. That was going to be my comment

Boundaries were very fluid. Some tribes were more nomadic than others.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:45 PM

30. It was in mine

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:42 PM

33. Big K&R

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:58 PM

34. There is a Native American map that has been produced by Aaron Carapella....

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Response to xocet (Reply #34)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:36 PM

38. Thanks! good find ...nt

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:42 AM

35. It's incomplete, and some of the names are wrong.

It's a bit of an interesting question whether the names of Indian nations should be in "white-boy speak" or their own tongue, eh?

-- Mal

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:34 PM

37. how to reconcile this guilt with some other guilt

I know we're already supposed to feel guilty about snatching away portions of the southwest from Mexico. So where is this supposed to fit into that guilt scheme? And are Latinos exempt from needing to feel guilt altogether? (I'm never sure if it's cool to pick on the decendents of the strangely less well know Spainish Empire.) Do they just get to leave the classroom while the white kids get beaten up by the teacher? There are still lots of questions that need to get answered before anyone can hope to start flinging this stuff into kid's faces.

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Response to GaribaldiB5 (Reply #37)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:13 PM

40. It's just an interesting, educational map.

I don't think guilt was implied.

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:13 AM

41. This is a map of Linguistic Groups;

I read that there were up to 500 'nations' in the Americas when Columbus first set foot 'over here'.

We humans aren't very nice people, are we?

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:42 AM

42. "Where today are the Pequot? Where are the Narragansett, the Mohican, the Pokanoket,

and many other once powerful tribes of our people? They have vanished before the avarice and the oppression of the White Man, as snow before a summer sun."--Chief Tecumseh, 1811

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Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:34 PM

43. absolutely !!!!

perhaps include more tribes.

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