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Thu Feb 27, 2014, 04:53 PM

From little acorns of awareness, mighty oaks of denial grow

Oh well!

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Reply From little acorns of awareness, mighty oaks of denial grow (Original post)
MrScorpio Feb 2014 OP
BainsBane Feb 2014 #1
MrScorpio Feb 2014 #2
BainsBane Feb 2014 #3
MrScorpio Feb 2014 #4
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #5
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #6
Number23 Feb 2014 #8
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #9
LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #20
Number23 Feb 2014 #7
BainsBane Feb 2014 #34
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #10
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #11
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #12
LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #15
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #16
Number23 Feb 2014 #21
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #23
Number23 Feb 2014 #25
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #28
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #30
kwassa Feb 2014 #13
LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #14
BainsBane Feb 2014 #17
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #18
onpatrol98 Feb 2014 #19
Number23 Feb 2014 #22
bravenak Feb 2014 #26
MrScorpio Feb 2014 #29
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #31
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #32
BainsBane Feb 2014 #33
boston bean Feb 2014 #35
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #36
KitSileya Feb 2014 #38
Number23 Feb 2014 #24
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #37
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #39
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #40
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #41
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #42
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #43
JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #44
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #45
LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #49
M0rpheus Feb 2014 #51
Number23 Feb 2014 #57
bravenak Feb 2014 #27
BainsBane Feb 2014 #46
bravenak Feb 2014 #47
bravenak Feb 2014 #48
bravenak Feb 2014 #50
BainsBane Feb 2014 #52
bravenak Feb 2014 #53
BainsBane Feb 2014 #54
gollygee Feb 2014 #55
bravenak Feb 2014 #56

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:44 PM

1. Is this about the don't question my white privilege thread?

If so, it angers me. I feel compelled to apologize to African American members here. I don't understand how they feel entitled in making it so obvious they see their own egos as more important than the lives of those who experience racism. Now that they've had to temporary give in on their war on women, they seem to be turning their attention to African Americans. I wish they wouldn't. I wish I could stop it, and I wish they would think more about the lives of those subject to racism. I know I don't have any understanding of what it's like to experience racism, but I hope that I'm not as clueless or insensitive as what I am currently witnessing in GD. If and when I do, please let me know. In the meantime, I'm really sorry that this sort of absurdity takes place on a site that is meant to be for Democrats.

I'll also not that it is the same cast of characters who deny that objectification and sexism are problems. The common thread seems to be that what matters most is their own sense of entitlement.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:58 PM

2. There's absolutely no need for you to apologize. I don't care how embarrassing they are

That's not about you.

Simply let them know that both people of color and self-aware whites refuse to buy whatever they're selling and it's not like everyone can't see it.

That the result of a convincing argument is gauged by how persuasive it is… If they're not using one, then that's where the fault lies. Unfortunately, they insist on defining the narrow parameters of their own reality against considerable opposition. But as I've noted, in the thread, white privilege allows the beholder to claim that it doesn't really exist… Which is exactly what they're doing without a shred of irony.

Tell the that they're wrong and why. If they persist on their course, and they seem to insist of doing that at every opportunity, point out that they're protesting much too much.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:00 PM

3. I did, and was called "uber-righteous"

in response. My point that they should be careful not to conflate race and class was called a "straw man." I don't even know what to do with people like that.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #3)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 07:03 PM

4. You know, the recs are coming in handy...

Compared to posts with speak truth to privilege, the deniers aren't getting that much support at all.

I'm sure that they've noticed the disparity… It won't hurt to point it out.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #1)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:18 PM

5. Don't you dare apologize!

And you are correct - it IS the same cast of characters. I haven't even seen the thread and can pretty much know what screen names are saying what.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:38 PM

6. I threw my honest opinions on it

And I'm done.

Let them figure out their solution. As a black woman I don't have time to beg them to be reasonable. I'm just going to throw some silly at it as silly is all it deserves and carry on with my life.

Dismissed. They are dismissed.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:40 PM

8. Yep. I just washed my hands of the shit after like the third post

After his first go 'round turned to shit you would have thought he'd get the hint. I said what I had to say in Part One. Part Two was a complete waste of time.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #8)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:58 PM

9. It's by Another one of the Usual Suspects

It's a real doozy. I wash my hands of trying to deal with white America on these issues.

Those who are white and "get it" are doing the best they can. It's in the way their children are raised, how they respect others, and what they stand for.

But if you don't already "get it" - we're done.

Geek_tragedy, bettyellen, BainsBane - shit! Drunken Irishman, redqueen, etc etc they get it. I can have a convo with kwassa - there are many others. But if someone isn't at their level of awareness then they are wasting my time.

They can go whine about the NSA, Snowden etc etc.

Race, racism, the black American experience are simply above their head. Too many folks at DU give the impression that they "had a black friend in the third grade" and it's getting really hard to not laugh at the silly!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:36 AM

20. I backed out of those really fast.

The OP was tldr and the OPer was clueless. Still the new threads appear to suck me in. Ow.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 08:39 PM

7. If this really is about the white privilege threads, I'd LOVE to see those 'acorns of awareness'

Because from where I've been sitting that crap looks more like stones of stupidity. Or Flowing Fountains of Foolishness. Boundless boulders of banality. A moldy morass of moronity.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #7)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:21 AM

34. I think the acorn of awarness might have been in 1968

but has been since subsumed by cow manure.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:01 PM

10. Yet another day that all I can do is stare at GD like it's got cooties.



Thank goodness I had other stuff to do.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:18 PM

11. I Snorty laughed out loud!

That gif is awesome.



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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #11)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:40 PM

12. Glad to be of service!

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #10)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:27 PM

15. ty

I needed that.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #15)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:33 PM

16. :)

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:03 AM

21. Okay, you need to change your name to GIFMan

This is the second time I've cracked a rib laughing at your gifs this month!!

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Response to Number23 (Reply #21)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:26 AM

23. I like my name! Though I might answer to GIFmeister...

I'm just trying to lighten things up a bit.

This way we can stop at that stupid OP, look, laugh and, keep it moving.


Let em drop.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:37 AM

25. Yeah but that stupid OP is but one of many many many

But I love the concept. Look, laugh and keep on stepping.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #25)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:56 AM

28. It is one of many, many, but at this point it's just bait.

When they post one after the other and then the extra "Third Way" spinoff, they're waiting for the fight.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:10 AM

30. Throw the mic!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:42 PM

13. well, you know, it hasn't happened to them, so it doesn't exist, does it?

The true test of reality.

I was amazed by that thread, by how hard they worked to maintain the denial.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:26 PM

14. theory.

I have no words.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:17 PM

17. I'm trying

I don't know if it will do any good, but I'm trying.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4577556

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #17)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:38 PM

18. Don't bang your head against the wall over this, today.

The same people will come to derail that one, just like the others.

There will always be another battle. Let them play with themselves for a while.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:50 PM

19. I don't know...

You know the post about..."do you want my job"...it really surprised me. I mean the open hostility of it. But, then I thought about it. No, these people feel totally comfortable putting that out there. And..for just a minute...you feel like that one black person at a rally thinking...hmm...maybe this is the wrong party.

These white privilege threads are educational. The feeling you get from them is no different from the hostility you get from just straight up bigots...it's just pushed a bit further down from the surface. But, it's still palpable.

It makes you wonder. Hell, they're in the right place...maybe I'm in the wrong place. There's a reason there are so few blacks or other minorities on the site.

The irony of it..."I ain't got no privilege"..."Now...stop talking about race that way...cause I don't like it. What...ya'll still talking about privilege??? I mean...if that's not a sign of privilege with a side of arrogance, what is?

nawsa...we is gon stop talk'n bout de privilege. Cause you don like it...And...we's sposed to do whatcha say...parently...(SARCASM INTENDED)

I mean, at some point, it's gonna get awkward, picking on Herman (999) Cane at the same time you're getting chastised (lambasted) on a progressive site for suggesting there are times when white people get better treatment than minorities.

This is one of those...the jokes on me, moments.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:07 AM

22. Every single word of this post is the truth

The feeling you get from them is no different from the hostility you get from just straight up bigots...it's just pushed a bit further down from the surface. But, it's still palpable.


Yep.


Hell, they're in the right place...maybe I'm in the wrong place. There's a reason there are so few blacks or other minorities on the site.


Yep and yep.

But the joke is on all of us. And I'm sorry, it's ESPECIALLY on the folks that donate to this place.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:49 AM

26. +1

Yes, I do feel like the black Lady at the tea party rally.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:06 AM

29. Damn Skippy! nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:11 AM

31. +1000

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 05:16 AM

32. I'm gonna sound like an *sshole here

But I'd blow my brains out if I had that job.

I don't envy that poster at all.



And the joke isn't on you. Surreal is so real sometimes.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:19 AM

33. There is a reason the feeling you get is no different.

It's because they say the exactly same things. Seriously. If you read some of the RW sites, you'll see the exact same arguments.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:04 AM

35. +1000

This place is a freaking embarrassment. Enlightened, progressive people, my ass!

And everyone, just keep on educating the dolts.

Educate racists, sexists and homophobes?? How about getting them the fuck off of this site. Since when is the onus put on persons to put up with shit in the name of educating them. That is a cop out.

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Response to boston bean (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:55 AM

36. Since when is the onus put on persons to put up with shit in the name of educating them

So true - that's why I refuse to 'work with them'.

But what you just wrote makes me want to booty dance.


GIFSoup

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:06 AM

38. That's right.

And the way it resembles abusive relationships is scary. "You shouldn't make him so angry. You explain to him why you did what you did, and everything will be ok."

And now the usual suspects are snickering about how the typical suspects (read HoF) are leading the charge in this - they can't wrap their head around the fact that half of all minorities are women, and that even those who aren't women, may have a better understanding why their attitudes are bigoted against minorities they themselves are not part of. How a$$holish can you get on this site before they boot you?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:34 AM

24. And our 1%er "former" Republican friend is at it yet again

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Response to Number23 (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:05 AM

37. I read that






I'm on M0rpheus' side!

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:01 AM

39. You know I just grabbed this one right.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #39)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:07 AM

40. Enjoy!

It pretty much sums up how I'm starting to think about things - same old discussion, same old nonsense. I feel like posting a video of Clayton Bixby just to see if anyone is not all "ewwwwwwwww" about GD realizes it's a comedy skit!


ETA - I love the power of gif.soup.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #40)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:02 PM

41. Gif Soup FTW!

GD is NOT ready for Clayton!

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #41)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:07 PM

42. We're gonna need

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:11 PM

43. I was literally just looking for one before you replied!

Gonna see how that plays out b4 I do.

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 12:23 PM

44. I ventured into GD

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Response to M0rpheus (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:23 PM

49. Love the OPs username.

Funny stuff that.

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Response to LiberalAndProud (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:26 PM

51. I had that in mind the whole time...

But to call it out would have been a hide for sure.
Had to grudgingly give him a pass on that.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:35 PM

57. Don't you just love all the little trolls popping their heads up to spout on about this?

As if this is something that they know anything about? As if this is something that they CARE anything about?

I'm just reading laughing and shaking my head. They are so obvious it's not even worth the trouble.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 01:54 AM

27. Best of the day!!!

Most meaningful post of the day at DU. I really know what you mean. I feel the same way.
I keep telling my self to just let them tire themselves out, but I just have to say something every time.
I'm going to just laugh from now on and go to the lounge or to the AA quarters from now on. They acting out up in the big house over in GD.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:50 PM

46. I was just effectively told to stay in my place

to get back to the women's quarters, HOF, because I questioned whether a posters intent as to be deliberately hostile to DUers of color.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #46)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:56 PM

47. Told you to hot-foot it back to HOF? How predictable. :(

I have to go check this out. They lose their minds when we speak, we use words that they don't like.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:30 PM

52. I actually am I bit stunned

It's a horrible, horrible comment.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #52)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:34 PM

53. It was expected.

My bad for even trying.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:35 PM

54. Not your bad

You should never apologize for speaking out.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:40 PM

55. 4th hidden post

so there's that

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Response to gollygee (Reply #55)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:42 PM

56. Good.

Such an angry person.

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