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Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:04 AM

Why Whites Hate Affirmative Action

Lack of knowledge on the actual policies. Very few people actually understand the original executive orders, subsequent judicial decisions and legislation beyond sound bites via “news" that is insistent upon painting this as “taking stuff" from Whites for Black people (as if it is “just" about Black people). Honesty, how many White people have reviewed the actual history of why this is needed? It’s almost as rare to find as anyone who calls themselves “patriotic" who has actually read the Constitution or a Christian who has read the Bible. Media soundbites shaped by bigotry (in a White supremacist capitalist patriarchal society) absorbed by many Whites whose life ideologies have been shaped by bigotry is not going to produce the nuance and thought necessary to understand affirmative action. (Even so, these two simple, non in-depth cartoons explain this almost as well as the complex legalese: 1 and 2.)

Anti-intellectualism. Piggybacking on the first point, the current culture of anti-intellectualism doesn’t encourage most White people (and Americans at large) to actually investigate things they are “for" or “against." It’s much simpler to decide to be “for" anything shaped by a legacy of White supremacy and White privilege and against anything that appears to be contrary to the former. Whites are used to being a “baseline," the “norm," or not considered a group at all, but those whom other groups are compared to. Sociopolitically, many Whites are having a “day of reckoning" moment by even being classified as a “group," or a “race" as Tom Scocca pointed out so well in a recent article about Romney’s overwhelming support from Whites. These factors contribute to the resistance to affirmative action.

Ahistorical views on race. If a White person takes the "why isn’t there a White history month" and "why isn’t there a White Entertainment Television station" stances on Whites and the media, it can be safely assumed that they are either uneducated or being willfully ignorant about the role of race in America and why certain spaces exist for Black people amidst the media, public discourse and culture itself. By pretending that the tide of history has no racial element, they can then infer that if everyone “is equal" (as if being equal means being treated equally) Black people are “unfairly" getting “goodies" through affirmative action. This also ignores the fact that even with said theoretical "goodies," unemployment, health care, finances, real estate, and more is markedly worse for Black people (and other people of colour) versus White. The latter is written off as Black “character failures" in the ever so common victim blaming ideologies such as American “exceptionalism" and even “patriotism" at times. This is where LIES about "poverty culture" come about as a way to praise greed, wealth and Whiteness and demonize suffering, poverty and Blackness.

the rest: http://www.gradientlair.com/post/36223829489/why-whites-hate-affirmative-action

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Reply Why Whites Hate Affirmative Action (Original post)
MrScorpio Jun 2013 OP
Scootaloo Jun 2013 #1
Number23 Jun 2013 #4
NOLALady Jun 2013 #5
Number23 Jun 2013 #6
Scootaloo Jul 2013 #10
Number23 Jul 2013 #13
JRLeft Aug 2013 #18
treestar Aug 2013 #21
MADem Jul 2013 #8
treestar Aug 2013 #22
ms liberty Jun 2013 #2
coldmountain Jun 2013 #3
Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #7
MADem Jul 2013 #9
noiretextatique Jul 2013 #11
onpatrol98 Jul 2013 #14
noiretextatique Aug 2013 #19
JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #20
noiretextatique Jul 2013 #12
TJ-Tretman Aug 2013 #15
JustAnotherGen Aug 2013 #17
OneGrassRoot Aug 2013 #16

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 07:22 AM

1. The "White entertainment television" whine has always made me laugh

Best way to fix it? Change the channel to BET and make them watch an hour of the programming and commercials on it, then ask, "Think that's doing black people any favors, you knucklehead?"

Then point out BET is owned by this guy:

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:08 PM

4. Oh, I have always loved the "why don't we have a Ms. WHITE America pageant?!"

And "why is there is no WHITE Entertainment television" whines. You can tell that someone is dumber than a box of hammers when they make these types of idiotic comments as well as absolutely blind to their own privilege.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 09:50 PM

5. You forgot

"Why don't we have a white history month?" That's my all time favorite.

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Response to NOLALady (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:40 PM

6. I know. I guess they must have forgotten that for the first 300 years of this country

EVERY month was white history month.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 05:11 AM

10. Actually. Black History month is STILL a white history month...

Since in schools at least (where most people encounter the concept for the longest) it's taught about African-American interactions with white American society, told from a white perspective, with a strong focus on whites "granting" franchise to blacks. Africa is rarely on the radar and is usually a story of colonialism again told from white sources where it appears. The Caribbean and Latin America aren't even on the radar; You don't learn about Toussaint Louverture, for damn sure! US history through black eyes is rarely taught, if ever, and the notion that black Americans have any amount of history that isn't completely encapsulated by white history is just utterly foreign.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 06:40 PM

13. Well said!! Love this post

Now you're getting to the meat of the matter. Why so many black women would have rather had their eyes gouged than watch "The Help."

US history through black eyes is rarely taught, if ever, and the notion that black Americans have any amount of history that isn't completely encapsulated by white history is just utterly foreign.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:24 PM

18. Everyday is white history.

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Response to Number23 (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:56 PM

21. I once got into that one with some righties

it was amazing the lengths they went to. I had them doing research on the Miss America pageant, until they found a black contestant. Like one black contestant in decades made the whole thing equal from its beginning. It was getting pretty hilarious.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:24 AM

8. I get at least three of those White Entertainment Channels on my TV...

They're called ABC, CBS, and NBC, if I remember right..!

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Response to MADem (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 25, 2013, 09:57 PM

22. Yeah they always seem to forget those

White Entertainment Channels!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 08:57 AM

2. Nice find, bookmarking. K&R n/ t

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Response to ms liberty (Reply #2)

Sun Jun 30, 2013, 10:55 AM

3. The pro white media like Fox News is for Zimmerman because of that awful Rachel Jeantel

 

The pro white media always has a narrative going on about undeserving minorities getting preferential treatment.

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Response to coldmountain (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 01:10 AM

7. I'm going to be honest.

I think Jeantel was poorly-vetted. The prosecution should have did a better job telling her what to say and what not to. The part where she mentioned Trayvon calling George Zimmerman a "creepy ass cracker" wasn't really necessary, and it might hurt their side's case IMO because the media is likely going to be more focused on the "cracker" part and imply that Trayvon was racist. All of this could divert from the gist of what he was saying, which was that a creepy man was stalking him.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 1, 2013, 04:30 AM

9. I felt sorry for her. I thought the defense attorney was bullying her.

I took the "creepyass cracker" thing for what it was, and I think the important word there was creepyass, not cracker.

I also thought the "cursive humiliation" was unnecessary. And the picture his kid posted with the ice cream cones? Well, I guess what I thought about that, er, creepyass lawyer--and I don't care about his denials--was the case. The apple never falls far, after all.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/28/zimmerman-lawyer-daughter-ice-cream-dadkilledit_n_3518979.html
https://twitter.com/EvanBenn/status/350696981242445825/photo/1

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:39 PM

11. honestly...it would not have mattered

if she soke the queen's english. she still would have vilified.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 07:04 PM

14. Yeah...I think regardless she would have been vilified...

I wish she could have been more helpful. But, I really don't think there was anything she could have done that would have made up for what was considered her deficits. I wanted her to speak more loudly. But, honestly...Zimmerman shot an unarmed teenager. I just don't need much more proof than that. For some people, you can't give them enough proof.

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Response to onpatrol98 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 22, 2013, 01:53 PM

19. i heard this AFTER the trial: she had some type of surgery on her mouth

just before the trial. why in the hell didn't the prosecutors mention THAT? i agree with an article i read about her that was written by a black women. she said the entire white establishment, including the prosecution, had absolutely no idea how to deal with that poor, black, female, teenager. i mean really...why didn't they mention the surgery? or the fact that English was not her first, or second, or third language? the prosecution didn't do enough to humanize her, and the defense did a great job dehumanizing her.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 23, 2013, 10:31 AM

20. noire

It DOES make a difference.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Jul 2, 2013, 02:41 PM

12. Ahistorical view on race

is the reason why i've decided not to participate in any discussion about the zimmerman trial outside of this forum.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2013, 10:27 AM

15. I'm a white man and I support it.

I'm a white man and I support Affirmative Action. The statistics still show that only 14% of blacks graduate college, but over 35% of whites do. I completely understand the "whining white man." I live in Mississippi and the conservatives are extremely racist and hypocritical. These are the people who freely use slurs and bigoted remarks. When discussing this, they said that Affirmative Action is racist and that the educational system should be colorblind. Then when I asked them about racial profiling, guess what? They support it whole-heartedly. Hypocrites.

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Response to TJ-Tretman (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 05:18 PM

17. You know

That is a really good question/point to make when confronted with that stupidity.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 03:45 PM

16. Much appreciated. K&R n/t

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