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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:32 PM

Many questions to answer after train strikes wounded veterans' float in Midland

By SCOTT FARWELL
Staff Writer
sfarwell@dallasnews.com
Published: 16 November 2012 08:17 AM

MIDLAND — National Transportation Safety Board investigators arrived here Friday to find out why a speeding freight train plowed into a parade float carrying a dozen wounded war veterans and their wives to a banquet honoring them.

The collision left four veterans dead and 16 other people injured. Four victims were reported in stable condition Friday afternoon. One was listed in critical condition, and 11 others were treated and released.

“It’s important for people to remember that our mission here is to determine probable cause so we can make safety recommendations,” said Mark Rosekind, a safety board spokesman.

Rosekind told reporters that the locomotive’s black box recorded the train’s speed at 62 mph when it hit the flatbed trailer on the tracks near downtown Midland about 4:40 p.m. Thursday ...

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20121116-many-questions-to-answer-after-train-strikes-wounded-vets-float-in-midland.ece

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 12:45 PM

1. Please, Please don't forget the crew of the train.

Although they were not injured physically, they will carry the emotional scar's of this tragedy for the rest of their lives.
They sat in that cab and did everything they could to prevent the impossible. They could see what was going to happen and they knew they could not stop it. It is a devastating weight to carry.

To the veterans and their family's, My deepest sympathies.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:10 PM

2. 62mph authorized to go 70 mph there ...

and the police "escorting" the float?

Yeah, there are questions ... and how the HELL will it be the train crew's fault???

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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:18 PM

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Response to zbdent (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 02:40 PM

4. It won't be the traincrew's fault, but they'll pay a price in psychological trauma

NTSB probably will fault the driver of the truck towing the flatbed trailer for not allowing a sufficient interval to clear the tracks, and local authorities for not coordinating with the railroad to avoid moving a parade through a grade crossing in conflict with the train schedule.

I remember seeing a news report in the mid- to late 80's on a study's finding that members of traincrews who were VN veterans had a significantly higher susceptability to psychological trauma (Duh!). I wonder if any of the traincrew members in this case are Iraq/Afghan War vets...

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Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:30 PM

5. UPDATE - NTSB: Signals activated before float on tracks

November 17, 2012 23:45 GMT

By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA Associated Press

MIDLAND, Texas (AP) -- Federal investigators say the warning signals at a railroad crossing in West Texas were activated before a parade float crossed the tracks in an accident that killed military veterans.

National Transportation Safety Board member Mark Rosekind made that announcement at a news conference Saturday. He said the signals had been activated seven seconds before the float crossed the tracks.

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Rosekind said the NTSB reconstructed the accident using video cameras from the train and a sheriff's vehicle.

He said the train started sounding its horn nine seconds before it hit the float. The train engineer also used the emergency brake five second before the crash.


http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/2c4ce56b-www.wlos.com.shtml



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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 07:35 PM

6. :(

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:32 PM

7. More details in latest updated story:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2012/11/17/officials-vets-float-crossed-track-after-signals/qcDcdKqvWRhFFqlw4pX7FL/story.html

The names of those who died have been released, with updated status on the injured:

Killed were Marine Chief Warrant Officer 3 Gary Stouffer, 37; Army Sgt. Maj. Lawrence Boivin, 47; Army Sgt. Joshua Michael, 34; and Army Sgt. Maj. William Lubbers, 43.

Five people remained hospitalized early Saturday. In Midland, three people were in stable condition and one in critical. None of the injuries are life-threatening, said hospital spokeswoman Marcy Madrid. A fifth person who was transferred to a Lubbock hospital shortly after the accident is in serious condition.




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Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:22 AM

8. The four who were killed in the crash...

Retired Army Sgt. Joshua Michael, 34


Sgt. Michael served 10 years in the U.S. Army and was awarded two Purple Heart medals before being retired for disability due to multiple brain injuries he had suffered after being hit by an IED while serving with the 101st Airborne Division.

He leaves his wife, Daylyn. and two children ages 7 and 14.



Marine Chief Warrant Officer Gary Stouffer, 37


Stouffer was an active duty Chief Warrant officer Three in the Marine Corps at the time of his death. He had enlisted while in college and spent the next 17 years serving in the military.

The 37-year-old solider was deployed to Albania and Kosovo, did two tours of duty in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, where he suffered a brain injury as a result of an IED blast. The decorated Marine was awaiting pending approval for a Purple Heart medal at the time of the crash.

He leaves his wife, Catherine Kennedy, and his two children, ages 12 and 16.



Retired Army Sgt. Major Lawrence Boivin, 47


SGM Boivin retired from the Army after 24 years of service which included tours of duty in Iraq, Afghanistan and several African countries.

The 47-year-old was awarded a Silver Star and a Purple Heart after he was severely injured whle helping evacuate other wounded soldiers following in an RPG attack in Iraq in 2004.

SGM Boivin lived in Southern Pines, N.C. with wife Angela. He has two stepdaughters and a grandson.



Army Sgt. Major William Lubbers, 43


SGM Lubbers served 21 of his 24 years of service with Army Special Forces. He did four tours of duty in Afghanistan and served one year in neighbouring Pakistan.

While out on patrol during his second tour of duty in Afghanistan, SGM Lubbers was shot in the arm and had to undergo more than a dozen surgeries, but made full recovery.

SGM Lubbers lived in Fayetteville, N.C. with wife Tiffanie and two children, ages 11 and 18.


Details from news reports:

Officials release names of four dead in fatal train collision; five remain in hospitals
http://www.mywesttexas.com/top_stories/article_8265d464-2ffd-11e2-a274-001a4bcf887a.html

Revealed: How heroic veteran killed by an oncoming train during parade saved his wife by pushing her off the wounded warriors float moments before the collision
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2233746/Midland-Texas-4-dead-17-injured-train-hits-parade-float-carrying-wounded-veterans.html


R.I.P.

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Response to struggle4progress (Original post)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:56 PM

9. NTSB: Lights, warnings worked properly in Texas veterans crash

By Matt Pearce
November 18, 2012, 6:22 p.m.


... On Sunday, safety board member Mark Rosekind said investigators had found no mechanical, maintenance or railroad track anomalies. When a tractor trailer filled with 24 veterans and their spouses wandered onto the Union Pacific railroad tracks -- in front of an oncoming train -- the crossing's warning system was "functioning as designed," he said.

The previous day, Rosekind said that the crossing's warning lights and bells had commenced 20 seconds before the collision and that the crossing's warning arms started to drop 13 seconds before the train hit the float. The crash killed four veterans seated together on the trailer's left side and injured 16 other riders. Nine seconds before impact, the train's engineer had begun blasting his horn. One of the crossbars dropped down and hit the float seven seconds before impact ...

Rosekind said officials were determining whether parade officials had received the proper permits and whether any possible planning problems were new to Thursday's parade or whether they had been going on for years. Rosekind said officials had been using the same route for three years.

Rosekind said Midland officials had designated the crossing a "quiet zone," which tightens rules on when train operators can sound their horns before railroad crossings ...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-ntsb-texas-veterans-crash-20121118,0,1422185.story

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