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Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:09 PM

(Illinois) Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans

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Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans

2 hours ago • Kurt Erickson

SPRINGFIELD — There’s not enough support in the Illinois Senate to impose tough new restrictions on semiautomatic weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

In a setback for gun-control advocates in the wake of the killings of school children in Connecticut, the Illinois Senate was poised to adjourn Thursday without voting on two pieces of legislation aimed at limiting access to certain kinds of weapons and bullets.

Although the two proposals could emerge again when the legislature reconvenes next week, the lack of action shows the General Assembly remains divided on how to balance Second Amendment issues...



Hmmm, can't get a ban through the overwhelmingly Democratic legislature of what is
arguably the most antigun state in the US?

Cue the acting out in 3...2...1...

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Reply (Illinois) Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans (Original post)
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 OP
slackmaster Jan 2013 #1
Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2013 #2
slackmaster Jan 2013 #3
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #4
-..__... Jan 2013 #5
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #6
-..__... Jan 2013 #7
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #12
-..__... Jan 2013 #23
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #37
DonP Jan 2013 #8
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #13
shadowrider Jan 2013 #19
Berserker Jan 2013 #28
DonP Jan 2013 #30
spin Jan 2013 #11
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #14
Clames Jan 2013 #17
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #32
Clames Jan 2013 #34
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #35
Clames Jan 2013 #45
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #46
Clames Jan 2013 #48
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #50
Clames Jan 2013 #52
spin Jan 2013 #21
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #33
spin Jan 2013 #43
Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #27
Berserker Jan 2013 #29
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #36
gejohnston Jan 2013 #38
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #39
gejohnston Jan 2013 #41
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #42
gejohnston Jan 2013 #44
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #47
gejohnston Jan 2013 #49
Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #31
Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2013 #53
Clames Jan 2013 #16
mikeysnot Jan 2013 #40
friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #25
shadowrider Jan 2013 #9
OneTenthofOnePercent Jan 2013 #10
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #15
iiibbb Jan 2013 #18
spin Jan 2013 #22
Puha Ekapi Jan 2013 #24
iiibbb Jan 2013 #26
Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #54
Pullo Jan 2013 #20
discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #51

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:12 PM

1. In honor of Illinois Democrats doing the right thing, I'd like to propose a toast...

 

...to absent friends.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:13 PM

2. Glad you're happy.

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Response to Gidney N Cloyd (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:15 PM

3. I'm happy that radical prohibitionists aren't in control of the party in that state

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:18 PM

4. Not accusing anyone but...

if you don't live in IL then please leave us alone.

You fear successful gun laws, cause it will prove you wrong.

You fear any psychological checks for gun ownership because it would expose you for a coward.

You fear the bogey man.

You fear the government of We The People, because you are a coward.

Face it gun nuts, you are a coward.


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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:31 PM

5. "if you don't live in IL then please leave us alone".

 

Really?

So, when the legislature of a State one is not a resident of enacts laws (or attempts to enact), that are unconstitutional and/or unworkable, the only people who should be concerned and/or take interest should be residents of that State?

Really... really?


Setback for bid to legalize gay marriage in Illinois, but Senate could vote Thursday

SPRINGFIELD — A bid to legalize gay marriage in Illinois suffered an unexpected setback Wednesday when supporters fell two votes shy of getting the legislative hearing they wanted, meaning no Senate vote on the measure until Thursday at the earliest.

The 28-24 procedural vote showed the razor-thin margins surrounding the contentious issue and clearly caught backers off-guard, thwarting their plan to advance the measure to the Senate floor Wednesday night.



http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/17352760-761/setback-for-bid-to-legalize-gay-marriage-in-illinois-but-senate-could-vote-thursday.html

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Response to -..__... (Reply #5)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:37 PM

6. "that are unconstitutional and/or unworkable,"

matter of opinion.

Like I said if you don't live here...

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:47 PM

7. "Matter of opinion... or opinions that matter?

 

I'll go with the latter... as in the opinion of the SCOTUS in DC v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:09 PM

12. shown your true colors you have

supporting the opinions of the corrupt Roberts court.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:48 PM

23. Ok, Yoda...

 

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Response to -..__... (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:52 AM

37. Funny..

that was the voice I used when I typed that.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:48 PM

8. Yeah, except the only opinions that matter are from SCOTUS and the Appellate courts ...

... and I've probably lived here for a lot longer than you have and worked for the Chicago Dem organization in Beverly and Morgan Park for over 40 years.

If these laws are working so well, explain the 508 deaths last year in Chicago?

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Response to DonP (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:11 PM

13. are you saaying more guns are the solution?

So more of the problem is the solution.

Up is down, black is white.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:34 PM

19. You misunderstood the question.

It was, how do you explain 508 shooting deaths in Chicago?

I'll wait.

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Response to DonP (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:11 PM

28. Lets see I'll take a shot

 

ummm look at the gang violence in Chicago or is it the sportsmen that do this?

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Response to Berserker (Reply #28)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:35 PM

30. Yup, that must be it

Every weekend target shooters from the range in Bonfield get in their 4 door sedans and minivans as a group and drive in from the Kankakee area to shoot up the streets of Chicago with their tricked out AR-15, M1 Garand and '03 Springfield target rifles.

Father "Flaky" Pfleger has been trying to get video of it for proof, but keeps getting local neighborhood "sports clubs" on camera instead.

(for the few who don't know better)

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:56 PM

11. Insulting those who disagree with your views often shows that you believe your argument lacks ...

substance.

I would hate to live in Illinois and try to argue that your state's gun laws are working so well that they should be a model for the nation. Perhaps if I were you, I would also call gun owners cowards and fearful of the bogey man.

But if I did live in Illinois and wished to defend my state's gun laws I would point out the following:

1) Most of Illinois is a very safe place to live.

2) Chicago is the hot spot for gun violence and the majority is the result of turf warfare between competing drug gangs. Mexican drug cartels sponsor and encourage the gang warfare in Chicago as it is centrally located and they wish to use it as a hub for their drug trade. Excluding this violence, Chicago is a nice place to live.

3) The ease of smuggling firearms to the inner streets of Chicago is largely due to lax laws in other states.

4) Chicago has always had and still has problems with corruption in the city government and the police force and this hampers efforts to curb gang violence.

5) If the United States were to drop its failed War on Drugs, violence would decrease in Chicago.

Finally I would back up all these statements with facts and statistics.

See, it is not all that hard to present a good argument for the gun laws in your state without using unnecessary insults. Such a post might actually promote a productive discussion which is becoming increasingly rare on the gun control issue on DU.





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Response to spin (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:14 PM

14. if the boot fits.

cow·ard
/ˈkouərd/
Noun
A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
Adjective
Excessively afraid of danger or pain.*
Synonyms
noun. dastard - recreant - funk - poltroon - craven
adjective. craven - cowardly - recreant - chicken-hearted - timid

*all pro gun arguments fall in this category...

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:26 PM

17. Like a glove for you.

 

whine (hwn, wn)
v. whined, whin·ing, whines
v.intr.
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.

3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
v.tr.
To utter with a whine.
n.
1. The act of whining.
2. A whining sound.
3. A complaint uttered in a plaintive tone.

whiner n.

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Response to Clames (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:31 AM

32. Lame

you project so much. It was a post,not spoken word.

Sooo good luck with this.

Not even sure why i responded.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:51 AM

34. That last word in bold...

 

...you.

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Response to Clames (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:32 AM

35. I know you are but what am I.

what are you 12?

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 07:54 PM

45. Boring, predictable.

 

I don't think your parents would let you on here if they knew...

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Response to Clames (Reply #45)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:15 PM

46. My parents stopped telling me what to do 40 years ago.

project much? Man child.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #46)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:00 PM

48. They never told you to be punctual either.

 

Took you this long to come up with that?

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #50)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 07:52 PM

52. They also didn't tell you how to be civil.

 

Typical.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:04 PM

21. I take the time and effort to try to help you create a useful and productive post ...

and you continue to insult me.

If you seriously believe that your tactic is effective I can only point out that I have a thick skin and I actually enjoy truly original insults but find tired worn out insults somewhat boring. Come up with something new and different and I will congratulate you.

One of the most discouraging changes in our nation that I have observed over my 66 years of existence is that our nation and Congress has been divided into two separate camps on most issues. In the last several decades these two camps have both decided that they are absolutely right and the other side is composed of fools and idiots or evil people who wish to destroy our country.

Instead of sitting down at a table to hash out differences our elected officials in Congress merely play political games in hope of winning a majority of seats in the next election. If a workable solution to a problem is proposed by one side, the other will do their best to sabotage it even though they may propose the same idea in the future in which case the favor will be returned.

The same hatred seems to be apparent on Main Street and most people simple love to insult those they disagree with rather than try to solve our serious problems. While it is great fun, insults rarely lead to compromise which is a lost art in our nation.

But still if you enjoy insulting others as perhaps it makes you feel superior then continue to do so. Don't expect me to insult you in return as I don't play that game.



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Response to spin (Reply #21)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 10:34 AM

33. I didn't insult you?

unless deep down you know I am correct and that you are afraid.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 05:40 PM

43. You do make a good point ...

as you really didn't insult me although I think you tried.

In my 66 years of existence I have been in several serious encounters and never reacted in a cowardly manner.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 10:27 PM

27. What a juvenile response. Doesn't exactly contribute anything. "snot" is part of your name. nt

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:16 PM

29. Oh Contraire

 

That fits the description of the gun grabbers perfectly.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #29)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 11:51 AM

36. Don't remeember stating anything about gun grabbing.

but then again reality does not come in any gun nut argument.

Like guns save lives, or gun makes us safe.

If guns make us safe, why do we have the most gun crimes and violent crimes in the westernized nations.

We have the most guns of any nation. That should make us the SAFEST nation.

But we are not.

Reality catch it.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:05 PM

38. we are safer than a lot of countries

most of the US is as safe as Europe. Other than murder, we are safer than much of Europe.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:09 PM

39. really?

I'd like to see stats on that.

The caveat is Western Civilized countries, not Somalia...

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:23 PM

41. thought you would never ask

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 03:39 PM

42. So... I'm... supposed to check your link for your "argument"

BTW, isn't "Western Civilized" kind of xenophobic or raciest?


No. That caveat was there so we are not compared to third world nations.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 06:08 PM

44. if guns are the major reason,

what difference does economics make? I have yet to hear any explanation.
Yeah. Long story short,
Out of the OCED countries, the US is third in murder
UK is first in assault
Australia is first in rape
Belgium is first in robbery
Denmark is first in burglary
http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #44)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 01:18 PM

47. are these states by capita of residence or by total?

What page are you getting these stats from?

m

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #47)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 02:09 PM

49. per capita

from the link. You have to read each category.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #14)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 02:14 AM

31. I'll go with the "funk." In a moment of high ecstacy, a lovely lady described me as such.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 08:46 PM

53. the cowards are the ones that want to remove all responsibility of their rights onto the backs of

some negligible concept of "they" will take care of "us"

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:23 PM

16. Speaking for yourself.

 

Hilarious since you obviously can't speak up for others.


Cowardice is hoping for do-nothing laws.

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Response to Clames (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 4, 2013, 12:10 PM

40. Don't recall stating I speak

for others, just myself.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:11 PM

25. And *there's* the acting out I predicted-but ya know what?

I don't much take it amiss anymore- it's a natural reaction to disappointment.

You lot are lashing out because your great 'social cleansing' isn't gonna happen-
and you know it, hence the venom directed at gun owners in general.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:49 PM

9. YEEEAAAAA BACKLASH

wait, nevermind.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 05:51 PM

10. If you can't pass a ban in ILLINOIS in the wake of 20 dead schoolchildren...

 

what hope does federal legislation have?

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:22 PM

15. Doesn't bode well...

...for Feinstein's proposed ban.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:28 PM

18. but this bill was insane, it isn't representative of anything that has a chance

 

I'm glad it's got no legs, but it's not representative of anything.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:20 PM

22. It was simply an effort by some politician to garner votes in his next election. ...

Gun control is popular in Illinois to many voters.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 08:04 PM

24. Feinstein's proposed bill is nearly as...

...restrictive as the one sent up in Illinois.

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Response to Puha Ekapi (Reply #24)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 09:13 PM

26. lever actions and no grandfather clause

 

impossible since there is no registration ; that was plausible in Illinois.

Also it will die in the house anyway... even if Democrats take the house back, Democrats in pro gun states won't turn anyway.

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Response to iiibbb (Reply #26)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 09:19 PM

54. This whole thing

 

From Obama's gun "task force" to Feinstein's proposed assault weapons ban, is nothing more than a big show for the public. Everyone on Capitol Hill knows none of it is going to go anywhere.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Thu Jan 3, 2013, 07:03 PM

20. Rock River, Armalite, and Springfield

Looks like there are enough sensible Illinois Democrats who realize such ridiculous restrictions would not have any measurable effect gun crime, and that the state would lose lots of quality jobs as several firearm manufacturers took their business elsewhere.

THAT is a resalable and sensible decision.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Original post)

Mon Jan 7, 2013, 06:28 PM

51. Point of nomenclature

If the control enthusiasts can invent the term "assault weapon", is there a specific reason not to further customize terminology so as to favorably enhance one's own side of the debate?

I suggest that from now on ammo bans be referred to as "emo bans", not to be confused with the sound alike term "Emo bands".

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