(Illinois) Democrats pull plug on gun, ammo bans

...to absent friends.

if you don't live in IL then please leave us alone.

You fear successful gun laws, cause it will prove you wrong.

You fear any psychological checks for gun ownership because it would expose you for a coward.

You fear the bogey man.

You fear the government of We The People, because you are a coward.

Face it gun nuts, you are a coward.

Really?

So, when the legislature of a State one is not a resident of enacts laws (or attempts to enact), that are unconstitutional and/or unworkable, the only people who should be concerned and/or take interest should be residents of that State?

Really... really?




http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/17352760-761/setback-for-bid-to-legalize-gay-marriage-in-illinois-but-senate-could-vote-thursday.html

matter of opinion.

Like I said if you don't live here...

I'll go with the latter... as in the opinion of the SCOTUS in DC v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago.

supporting the opinions of the corrupt Roberts court.

that was the voice I used when I typed that.

... and I've probably lived here for a lot longer than you have and worked for the Chicago Dem organization in Beverly and Morgan Park for over 40 years.

If these laws are working so well, explain the 508 deaths last year in Chicago?

So more of the problem is the solution.

Up is down, black is white.

It was, how do you explain 508 shooting deaths in Chicago?

I'll wait.

ummm look at the gang violence in Chicago or is it the sportsmen that do this?

Every weekend target shooters from the range in Bonfield get in their 4 door sedans and minivans as a group and drive in from the Kankakee area to shoot up the streets of Chicago with their tricked out AR-15, M1 Garand and '03 Springfield target rifles.

Father "Flaky" Pfleger has been trying to get video of it for proof, but keeps getting local neighborhood "sports clubs" on camera instead.

(for the few who don't know better)

substance.

I would hate to live in Illinois and try to argue that your state's gun laws are working so well that they should be a model for the nation. Perhaps if I were you, I would also call gun owners cowards and fearful of the bogey man.

But if I did live in Illinois and wished to defend my state's gun laws I would point out the following:

1) Most of Illinois is a very safe place to live.

2) Chicago is the hot spot for gun violence and the majority is the result of turf warfare between competing drug gangs. Mexican drug cartels sponsor and encourage the gang warfare in Chicago as it is centrally located and they wish to use it as a hub for their drug trade. Excluding this violence, Chicago is a nice place to live.

3) The ease of smuggling firearms to the inner streets of Chicago is largely due to lax laws in other states.

4) Chicago has always had and still has problems with corruption in the city government and the police force and this hampers efforts to curb gang violence.

5) If the United States were to drop its failed War on Drugs, violence would decrease in Chicago.

Finally I would back up all these statements with facts and statistics.

See, it is not all that hard to present a good argument for the gun laws in your state without using unnecessary insults. Such a post might actually promote a productive discussion which is becoming increasingly rare on the gun control issue on DU.

cow·ard
/ˈkouərd/
Noun
A person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.
Adjective
Excessively afraid of danger or pain.*
Synonyms
noun. dastard - recreant - funk - poltroon - craven
adjective. craven - cowardly - recreant - chicken-hearted - timid

*all pro gun arguments fall in this category...

whine (hwn, wn)
v. whined, whin·ing, whines
v.intr.
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
v.tr.
To utter with a whine.
n.
1. The act of whining.
2. A whining sound.
3. A complaint uttered in a plaintive tone.

whiner n.

you project so much. It was a post,not spoken word.

Sooo good luck with this.

Not even sure why i responded.

...you.

what are you 12?

I don't think your parents would let you on here if they knew...

project much? Man child.

Took you this long to come up with that?

Typical.

and you continue to insult me.

If you seriously believe that your tactic is effective I can only point out that I have a thick skin and I actually enjoy truly original insults but find tired worn out insults somewhat boring. Come up with something new and different and I will congratulate you.

One of the most discouraging changes in our nation that I have observed over my 66 years of existence is that our nation and Congress has been divided into two separate camps on most issues. In the last several decades these two camps have both decided that they are absolutely right and the other side is composed of fools and idiots or evil people who wish to destroy our country.

Instead of sitting down at a table to hash out differences our elected officials in Congress merely play political games in hope of winning a majority of seats in the next election. If a workable solution to a problem is proposed by one side, the other will do their best to sabotage it even though they may propose the same idea in the future in which case the favor will be returned.

The same hatred seems to be apparent on Main Street and most people simple love to insult those they disagree with rather than try to solve our serious problems. While it is great fun, insults rarely lead to compromise which is a lost art in our nation.

But still if you enjoy insulting others as perhaps it makes you feel superior then continue to do so. Don't expect me to insult you in return as I don't play that game.

unless deep down you know I am correct and that you are afraid.

as you really didn't insult me although I think you tried.

In my 66 years of existence I have been in several serious encounters and never reacted in a cowardly manner.

That fits the description of the gun grabbers perfectly.

but then again reality does not come in any gun nut argument.

Like guns save lives, or gun makes us safe.

If guns make us safe, why do we have the most gun crimes and violent crimes in the westernized nations.

We have the most guns of any nation. That should make us the SAFEST nation.

But we are not.

Reality catch it.

most of the US is as safe as Europe. Other than murder, we are safer than much of Europe.

I'd like to see stats on that.

The caveat is Western Civilized countries, not Somalia...

http://www.civitas.org.uk/wordpress/2010/08/05/latest-international-comparison-of-crime-in-oecd-countries/

BTW, isn't "Western Civilized" kind of xenophobic or raciest?

BTW, isn't "Western Civilized" kind of xenophobic or raciest?

No. That caveat was there so we are not compared to third world nations.

what difference does economics make? I have yet to hear any explanation.
Yeah. Long story short,
Out of the OCED countries, the US is third in murder
UK is first in assault
Australia is first in rape
Belgium is first in robbery
Denmark is first in burglary
http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

What page are you getting these stats from?

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from the link. You have to read each category.

some negligible concept of "they" will take care of "us"

Hilarious since you obviously can't speak up for others.


Cowardice is hoping for do-nothing laws.

for others, just myself.

I don't much take it amiss anymore- it's a natural reaction to disappointment.

You lot are lashing out because your great 'social cleansing' isn't gonna happen-
and you know it, hence the venom directed at gun owners in general.

wait, nevermind.

what hope does federal legislation have?

...for Feinstein's proposed ban.

I'm glad it's got no legs, but it's not representative of anything.

Gun control is popular in Illinois to many voters.

...restrictive as the one sent up in Illinois.

impossible since there is no registration ; that was plausible in Illinois.

Also it will die in the house anyway... even if Democrats take the house back, Democrats in pro gun states won't turn anyway.

From Obama's gun "task force" to Feinstein's proposed assault weapons ban, is nothing more than a big show for the public. Everyone on Capitol Hill knows none of it is going to go anywhere.

Looks like there are enough sensible Illinois Democrats who realize such ridiculous restrictions would not have any measurable effect gun crime, and that the state would lose lots of quality jobs as several firearm manufacturers took their business elsewhere.

THAT is a resalable and sensible decision.

If the control enthusiasts can invent the term "assault weapon", is there a specific reason not to further customize terminology so as to favorably enhance one's own side of the debate?

I suggest that from now on ammo bans be referred to as "emo bans", not to be confused with the sound alike term "Emo bands".