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Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:05 PM

TX Woman shoots violent Ex-Boyfriend

http://www.ktxs.com/news/UPDATED-Abilene-Police-do-not-expect-criminal-charges-will-be-filed-in-fatal-shooting/-/14769632/17898342/-/stwg8r/-/index.html

ABILENE, Texas -
An Abilene woman shot and killed her estranged ex-boyfriend Wednesday after police said he broke into her home and assaulted her.


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It's time we get back to what 2A freedom is supposed to be about. This is one of the times when things worked out right for the female victim.

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Reply TX Woman shoots violent Ex-Boyfriend (Original post)
ileus Dec 2012 OP
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #1
ProfessionalLeftist Dec 2012 #2
pipoman Dec 2012 #3
Orrex Dec 2012 #4
pipoman Dec 2012 #10
Orrex Dec 2012 #16
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #23
pipoman Dec 2012 #24
MNBrewer Dec 2012 #5
Demo_Chris Dec 2012 #6
starroute Dec 2012 #9
pipoman Dec 2012 #11
gejohnston Dec 2012 #13
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #27
PavePusher Dec 2012 #14
ileus Dec 2012 #22
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #25
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #7
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #28
bluetexas Dec 2012 #8
pipoman Dec 2012 #12
PavePusher Dec 2012 #15
gejohnston Dec 2012 #17
bluetexas Dec 2012 #18
gejohnston Dec 2012 #19
bluetexas Dec 2012 #20
gejohnston Dec 2012 #21
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #26

Response to ileus (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 09:57 PM

1. k & r

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Response to ileus (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:08 PM

2. Good for her. Fully warranted. n/t

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Response to ileus (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 10:28 PM

3. I wonder if her local paper

recently published her address, evil gun owner she is..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:39 PM

4. Did you read the article? I didn't think so.

According to police, 34-year-old Earnest Gonzales tried to break in to 35-year-old Lawanda Taylor's home on Minda Street Christmas night but fled the scene when he found out Taylor called 911.
They pretty much published her address right there.

Are you planning on sending her a card?


Otherwise, what was your point, exactly? That the publication of her address would have prevented/caused this incident?

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Response to Orrex (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:22 AM

10. Parody

based on another recent news story..

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Response to pipoman (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:43 AM

16. Ah

My mistake.

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Response to pipoman (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 10:51 AM

23. Texas does not allow access to CCW records...

Reckless, culture-warrior MSM outlets.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:03 AM

24. As it should be everywhere..

sounds like another SCOTUS case waiting to happen..A person is killed because the paper published people's names and addresses, the victims family sues the newspaper, and so it will go..

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Response to ileus (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:43 PM

5. Regardless of the rightfulness of her shooting the ex in self-defense

this is absolutely NOT what the 2nd Amendment is about.

What is "well-regulated militia" about this?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:52 PM

6. Guns are currently legal

 

You or I might not agree with this, but there it is. In this particular case the weapon was used for good. It happens a lot. Just as the NRA wants to ignore slaughtered children, the anti-gun folks prefer to ignore women like this.

I prefer we ignore neither.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:16 AM

9. That doesn't make it what the 2nd Amendment is *about*

Anything, no matter how pernicious, can have occasional positive by-products. Burglars have been foiled by loose floor-boards or broken window sashes, but that doesn't mean keeping your house in disrepair is an appropriate way of keeping out intruders.

Certain poisons are illegal, even thought they're admittedly effective at killing rats. DDT was banned even though it was useful in combating malaria. In both cases, the risks outweighed the benefits -- and in much the same way, guns kept in the house are statistically far more likely to cause injury to someone in that home than they are to repel intruders.

The Second Amendment was about insuring that there would be a citizen militia ready for call-up in the days when there was no standing army. It was never about helping women fend off violent ex-boyfriends. And we need to decide in a serious way whether guns should be treated like DDT and rat poison, or if they should keep being handed out like candy canes at a Christmas pageant.

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Response to starroute (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:26 AM

11. The second is about self defense too..

it was written about in both the federalist papers and the anti-federalist papers..

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Response to starroute (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:29 AM

13. false and innacurate choice

since no one handed me a gun like it was a candy cane. BTW, can you cite a SCOTUS case or a Constitutional scholar that agrees with you?

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Response to starroute (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:18 AM

27. Gandhi said defense of self, family, home was an obligation, and if violence was necessary, so be it

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:34 AM

14. There is no way to interpret the Second Amendment as a "right of a militia".

 

Try any rule of grammar you want, it won't work.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 08:21 AM

22. Citizens have to make up that milita.

While her firearm was idol, she used it to defend her and her families life.

Hard to be part of a Milita if you're taking a dirt nap.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:06 AM

25. Incorrect...

As most scholars of the Second have written, the core of 2A is the RKBA shall not be infringed; the "militia clause" is the fed gov's statement of its need of this right so that it might fulfill its obligation to organize and call up the militia. The Second does not proscribe what folks can/cannot do with arms beyond the Fed's limited militia powers. the states have laws, criiminal &civil, which govern this.

Keep in mind, the right to self-defense is firmly cemented into our right to life.

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Response to ileus (Original post)

Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:54 PM

7. Good thing he didn't have a gun. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:19 AM

28. I agree. Good thing she did.

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Response to ileus (Original post)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:02 AM

8. Guns are not the solution. They are the problem.

I think that there are less lethal ways to handle problems.

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Response to bluetexas (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:27 AM

12. Help yourself..

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Response to bluetexas (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:41 AM

15. Please tell us what this woman should have done....

 

and why you weren't there to coach her through it.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 12:44 AM

17. mall ninjas of the

less than lethal variety. Or, armchair generals that talk endlessly about tactics but ignore logistics. Take your pick.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:47 AM

18. Guns are not the solution. They are still the problem.

My girlfriend is a police officer. She has been trained on self defense and the use of a variety of tactics to disable someone. Her gun is the very LAST resort. She has apprehended many suspects without ever shooting a single one.

If this woman went to the extreme to get a weapon, she should have considered getting self defense training, using mace or some other means of disabling a person while better trained officers responded. After the first attempt, I sure would have not stayed in that house alone until he was arrested.

I know more people who have been accidentally shot by friends or relatives than people who were shot trying to harm someone. Unfortunately, guns rarely you give you room for error. Mistakes are more likely to be fatal. I would rather die being attacked by someone than knowing that I had accidentally shot and killed a friend or relative.

The days of the gun happy Wild West are over. Hopefully, we are not returning to them.

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Response to bluetexas (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 01:57 AM

19. mace doesn't work indoors

and only works half the time. I doubt any of those suspects were violent to begin with. It is one thing to bust some kid for a bag of pot, and other having to deal with a violent person with a personal grudge at you.
The Wild West never existed. Every time someone drags up that canard, it generally accompanies a "people should not defend themselves" or self defense equals vigilantism nonsense.
My attitude is that unless one has a self defense training, firearms training, or security experience, they have no business lecturing anyone what they should do.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:11 AM

20. Fine. Load yourself up with guns.

Shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out, and all that other crap... Hope it all works out for you, but I think I have better chance of not getting shot.


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Response to bluetexas (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 02:22 AM

21. given that I have been around guns my entire life

and so has pretty much everyone in my community, there never has been a problem. But if you base public policy on a 1980s mall ninja tee shirt slogan, don't know what to say.

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Response to bluetexas (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:09 AM

26. "gun-happy wild west" began & ended on the screen. Didn't you notice?

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