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Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:01 AM

Gun enthusiasts pack shows to buy assault weapons

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/22/us-usa-gun-shows-idUSBRE8BL0DP20121222




(Reuters) - Gun enthusiasts thronged to shows around the country on Saturday to buy assault weapons they fear will soon be outlawed after a massacre of school children in Connecticut prompted calls for tighter controls on firearms.

Reuters reporters went to gun shows in Pennsylvania, Missouri and Texas, and found long lines to get in the door, crowds around the dealer booths, a rush to buy assault weapons even at higher prices and some dealers selling out.

The busiest table at the R.K. Gun & Knife show at an exposition center near the Kansas City, Missouri airport was offering assault weapons near the entrance.

West Plains, Missouri dealer Keith's Guns sold out of about 20 AR-15 style assault rifles in a little over an hour, owner Keith Gray said.

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Twas the night before Christmas
And all through the house
Everyone was armed
Including the mouse.

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Reply Gun enthusiasts pack shows to buy assault weapons (Original post)
GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 OP
mucifer Dec 2012 #1
krispos42 Dec 2012 #4
GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #6
spin Dec 2012 #7
GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #9
spin Dec 2012 #10
GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #11
spin Dec 2012 #14
JohnnyBoots Dec 2012 #32
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #33
JohnnyBoots Dec 2012 #34
Pullo Dec 2012 #30
spin Dec 2012 #31
shadowrider Dec 2012 #22
Kolesar Dec 2012 #2
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #8
Kolesar Dec 2012 #20
shadowrider Dec 2012 #21
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #24
Kolesar Dec 2012 #26
Kolesar Dec 2012 #25
shadowrider Dec 2012 #27
ileus Dec 2012 #3
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #5
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #12
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #13
ileus Dec 2012 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #16
ileus Dec 2012 #17
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #19
ileus Dec 2012 #23
gejohnston Dec 2012 #18
Pullo Dec 2012 #29
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #28

Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:04 AM

1. No that everywhere in the press it is publicized that there are no background checks

at the gun shows, it's gonna be a free for all until the law changes.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:09 AM

4. Most of the sellers at a gun show as licenced dealers

And the dealers have to do a background check. Regardless of the geographic location.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 11:26 AM

6. You are greatly misinformed.

All FFLs that sell at a gun show must do the NICS and form 4473. The only ones who don't have to do that are private citizens selling their personal guns. Private citizens follow the same rules as if they sold it from their home, or garage, or parking lot, or though the classified ads. Most gun shows discourage private sales on premises. The FFLs don't like the competition.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:24 PM

7. Assault weapons will be a better investment than the stock market or gold. ...

in the near term. If I had the money I would buy several or even a dozen in hopes of doubling my investment in the next couple of years.

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Response to spin (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:29 PM

9. I don't think a new AWB will pass. N/T

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:36 PM

10. I agree. However there will be a shortage of "black rifles" until the issue is resolved. ...

Of course this will cause the price of these weapons to increase dramatically.

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Response to spin (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:45 PM

11. And other guns too.

My wife and I are going to get our commissions so we can work as armed guards. I have decided on a .45 GLOCK (I like the 12 round mag.) and she on a 9mm GLOCK. But we have to wait a few months because something else is taking priority on finances right now. Once we start the classes in a few months, I am sure the price of GLOCKS will be high, and they will be scarce. We may have to use Hi-Points.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 02:26 PM

14. The law of supply and demand is a bitch. (n/t)

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 07:06 AM

32. You're better off with a sharp stick

 

Than a Hi Point. Bersa makes reliable and affordable pistols.

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Response to JohnnyBoots (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:21 AM

33. Why? Hi Points might be ugly...

but they always go bang and they have a good warranty. The knock against them is they are affordable.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 27, 2012, 10:28 AM

34. In my experience they are cheaply made and

 

begin to jam all the time after you put a few hundred rounds through them. If I was a security guard, I wouldn't trust it to work if I needed it.

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Response to spin (Reply #10)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 12:20 PM

30. These firearms were already great sellers

and there are more manufacturers of AR-15's and the like around today than there were before the '94 "ban." The push to ban these rifles will inevitably result in many, many more of these firearms in circulation as manufacturers crank up production to meet insatiable demand.

When the proposed legislation gets stymied by congress, as I believe it undoubtedly will, it will take a long, long time for the market for these firearms to cool down.

Feinstein should rename her bill "The Assault Weapon Manufacturer Stimulus Act of 2013." That's about the only thing the bill will accomplish.

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Response to Pullo (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 03:21 PM

31. The unintended consequence of the first AWB was to make "black rifles" extremely popular. ...

And now the same people who pushed for that useless law are trying to pass a new even more draconian version.

The sad reality is that the effort to pass such legislation will cause the sales of "black rifles" to skyrocket and manufacturers will have a difficult time keeping up with the demand. Probably far more of these weapons will sell than was true when the first AWB was under consideration.

All the publicity around the issue of mass murders using these firearms will cause some with severe mental issues to plan a massacre and they will attempt to obtain an "assault weapon" as the media has convinced them of how lethal and effective these weapons are.

Of course many shooters who are buying their first "black rifle" will be impressed with just how reliable, durable and accurate these weapons are. They will also appreciate the advantages of adding the many aftermarket accessories available for these weapons. More hunters will find that these weapons are in many ways superior to traditional hunting rifles and it is possible that such rifles will become the most popular hunting rifles in our nation over the next decade.

NRA membership may easily double or even triple as gun control issues are discussed in Congress and it is possible that Republicans may gain control of more seats in the House and Senate at the midterms. If so many good Democrats who do support gun rights will lose their seats to ultraconservative Republicans. If there is a serious effort to ban and confiscate some weapons many gun owning Democrats might decide to leave the party for good. Gun owners are often one issue voters.

This issue might help revive the Tea Party. Currently the Tea Party is largely the reason that the spirit of compromise is dead in Washington DC.

Another assault weapons ban might pass but I believe that once again it will so watered down that it will prove ineffective.

I feel that many currently elected Democrats dread having this debate. Unfortunately they will have little choice because of pressure brought by the media and the very liberal wing of our party.

Hopefully Obama will not push for draconian gun bans or confiscations but instead for some reasonable and effective improvements to our gun control laws and mental health care system.

If he doesn't many of my gun owners friends will smirk as they tell me. "I told you so."

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:32 PM

22. C'mon man, you're ruining their reality

"I reject your reality and substitute my own" - Adam Savage, Mythbusters

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:07 AM

2. Bet those @ssholes don't give $1000 to charity in ten years

Don't fund their childrens' education, but they have money for that crap.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 12:40 PM

8. ...aaand yet another unhappy culture warrior is heard from.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 05:46 PM

20. more RW talking points...eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:30 PM

21. In your opinion, how can someone defend guns or make any statement WITHOUT it being a RW/NRA

talking point?

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 01:46 AM

24. "RW/NRA talking point(s)" is an incantation beloved of that lot, which is unsurprising.

After all, these are the same people that think certain inanimate objects have mana
which compels people to do things...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:06 AM

26. Mana?

You are hallucinating.

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Response to shadowrider (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 06:05 AM

25. "Culture warrior" = RW language

Don't you get it?

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 07:05 AM

27. That wasn't the question but thanks for your input.

The question is, what can be said that will NOT be considered a NRA/RW/TROLL type remark? Seems to me, after perusing threads, everything no matter how benign, is called that.

In your opinion, what can be said that won't earn one of the above monikers?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:13 AM

3. Assault weapons or civilian styled semi-auto firearms?

The show down in Roanoke was packed yesterday...I would have normally went to this show but no way in hell would I have paid to catch the flu and not find anything but inflated panic prices.



I did all my "panic" shopping from the keyboard several days ago. I'm GTG for this panic buy...

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 10:31 AM

5. One shopping day til Christmas

The AKs were hung by chimney with care,
In hopes loaded mags weren't also stored there.

Supply and demand, is that a surprise?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:56 PM

12. There is nothing left in the pipeline

- Firearms
- Accessories including magazines
- Reloading supplies

Most wholesalers and every retailer are out. It will take several months to restock them all. Used sales will be going through the roof next as an alternative to those who speculated on new weapons.

Note: I am preparing to sell some of mine. I expect markedly better prices than a few weeks ago.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 01:58 PM

13. Used sales have indeed gone nuts.

Those weapons expected to be on a ban list, should the hysteria continue, are going for 2-to-3 times their previous averages on sites like Gun Broker.

Looks like the antis got their wish: no assault weapons for sale.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 03:06 PM

15. It may be time to unload my S2k

Doing nothing but collecting dust in the safe.

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Response to ileus (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:01 PM

16. I am in sell off mode now myself

Its all going through some FFLs, so the delicate flowers won't wilt.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:09 PM

17. I'm in dirt bike mode.

Bought my kid a dirt bike for Christmas, now I "need" one.

Dirt Bikes don't kill people....

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Response to ileus (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:19 PM

19. Get both of you some armor and some training

Its not as easy as it looks and some things are counter intuitive.

I've been riding dual sports for some time now here in SoCal. A compromise, but a good one for here.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 06:44 PM

23. I've been riding something since I was 13.

Bikes, minis, atv's, three wheelers

My last two bikes were a CR125 and XR200. I miss my 200.


I switched over to ATV's in 95, destroyed my shoulder in 99 and haven't done anything but casual riding (ATV & MX) since then.

I'm wanting a dual sport for a couple of reasons here in my county. There's loads of fire roads on national forest to ride, we currently ride the jeep but it takes forever just to do a 10 mile ride. I also think a good s/t bike would make scouting easier in the summer months.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 04:12 PM

18. assault weapons or

pretend military rifles
EBRs
modern sport utility rifles
Mattel plastic shit

when did pro gun folks go from Mattel plastic shit to "assault weapons"? I think there should be a more accurate term to distinguish them from a wooden stocked semi auto.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 11:27 AM

29. The change in attitude came when they were "banned" back in '94

when did pro gun folks go from Mattel plastic shit to "assault weapons"?


The biggest accomplishment of the "ban" was to popularize the firearms the law ineptly attempted to regulate. "Assault weapons" have been the best selling rifles in the United States since then.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Tue Dec 25, 2012, 07:11 AM

28. Debt-ridden stockpilers

Party on, would-be warriors.

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