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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:28 PM

The police after action report on the Columbine HS shooting

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2000/columbine.cd/Pages/DEPUTIES_TEXT.htm

Some notable points from the report
The armed Community Resource police officer from the the county Sheriff's department and the un-armed security guard were off site when the shooting started
THere were 25 separate entrances to the building and the 2 individuals entered the school from two side entrances, the junior high and senior high sides of the building.
Only one of the weapons they carried would have fallen into the category of "assault weapon" and that was the Intra-Tec-99 chambered in 9mm, a pistol cartridge.


Additionally police tactics at the time were to establish a perimeter and wait for SWAT and a negotiator to arrive. While this used to be a viable tactic, changes in criminal behavior (see the Cheshire, CT murders for another instance where the perimeter approach failed) has made this ineffective and there have been changes in the approach on how to handle "active" shootings and police are trained to immediately engage the shooter when they arrive.

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Lurks Often Dec 2012 OP
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #1
Berserker Dec 2012 #2
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #3
Lurks Often Dec 2012 #4
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #5

Response to Lurks Often (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:06 PM

1. So, the one (1) armed security was monitoring a smoking area in a park?

This seems in contradiction to some innerTube reports which imply the armed deputy was on the immediate scene.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:33 PM

2. It also flies

 

In the face of the numerous posts that are slammed at us about 2 armed guards at Columbine that did no good. Nothing I have read on DU has come up with solutions yet except taking away all guns even from those murderous duck hunters or rewrite the constitution and allow drone attacks on all gun owners and their family's.
The lunatic fringe will not be successful with any of these. While they fantasize about the gun less utopia we call America we have to step up and do something like protect our children. I am all for armed guards or a police presence at schools until we figure out a realistic way to stop this.
How do we pay for this you ask well how about we stop killing children in the non stop wars that are costing us billions.
YUP

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Response to Lurks Often (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:47 PM

3. Even security guards have to eat lunch and use restrooms. They also need sick days and time off.

So, really, if this absurd proposal were to be put into practice, you would need at least 1 1/2 security guards at each school. The cost is growing by the minute.


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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:43 AM

4. Which can be funded, at least partly,

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by stopping foreign aid to Pakistan, Egypt, Afghanistan and Iraq.


I see a lot of posts from those on the gun control side on solutions, almost none of which are politically possible and many would not be considered legal by most courts.

Lots of schools already have an armed police officer (School or COmmunity Resource officer), however from what I have seen it has been primarily high schools.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:27 AM

5. Seriously?

The same folks that practically want a house-to-house confiscation think they can pay that but they can't hire a couple guards for each school???

I'm sure the feds can figure it out. They came up with $700 billion a few years ago to bailout wall street. ($2200 for each US resident or $11,000 for each school age person in country)

Using $25/hour for a 30 hour work week 40 weeks/year I get a cost per year of about $150,000,000. (I used 1 guard per 500 students as an average; smaller schools would need a higher number, larger schools lower depending on their layout.) That's less than a dollar a year for each US resident to pay.

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