Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:53 PM

The real world: armed guards in school = bad idea

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We actually had an armed guard in my junior high school; it was a reasonably-tough school in New York City in the 1970s. Don't remember if it was a cop or some other type of guard.

A bad kid somehow got hold of the guard's gun. Amusing standoff ended with nobody hurt or killed. My parents moved us out to the suburbs shortly thereafter.

@#$% happens. Guns are an instant @#$% multiplier.

Perhaps we should keep guns of any sort out of schools.

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The real world: armed guards in school = bad idea (Original post)	MannyGoldstein	Dec 2012	OP
my kid's schools all had cops posted there	gejohnston	Dec 2012	#1
I think cops in schools also add to a bullying culture, like Columbine amongst others	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#2
No. The School Officers will be chosen as part of the Staff, even though paid differently by the gun	libdem4life	Dec 2012	#3
While one data point may disprove a blanket assertion, it does not indicate a trend.	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#4
You should immediately insist that President Obama have the SS details	PavePusher	Dec 2012	#5
Perhaps we can make the no gun signs larger. That should work!	spin	Dec 2012	#6
How did not having an armed guard work out at Sandy Hook? N/T	GreenStormCloud	Dec 2012	#7

Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:03 PM

gejohnston (12,599 posts)

1. my kid's schools all had cops posted there

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nothing happened. I can't remember the quote that says something to the effect of "conservatives worship at the feet of liberals past."
I'm not a NRA in its present form or a Wayne fan, but he stole the idea from Bill Clinton.
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323
His rant about video games was so Tipper Gore.

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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:44 PM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

2. I think cops in schools also add to a bullying culture, like Columbine amongst others

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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:25 AM

libdem4life (1,783 posts)

3. No. The School Officers will be chosen as part of the Staff, even though paid differently by the gun

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sector. We're not talking Rambos coming on board. These will likely be vets, retired military and re-trained and tested for their ability to be with kids. Just like the old cop on the beat, he'll just be at school. Job is to protect and serve or course, but to particpate in school life. Get to know all of the kids, their parents, the staff, be part of school activities, get birthday cupcakes on birthdays, cruise around the lunchroom, hang out on the playground.

And because most elementary schools are staffed by females, this guy is going to serve as a role model...yes he's got a gun and there will plenty or presentations and classroom visits and integrate with the Helpers in our Communities curriculum.

They will end the bullying. He will be the only one whose job it is to move through the crowds of kids...teachers and principals are not always there. Kids will befriend him, perhaps confide in him...especially about the bullying.

It will be good...not some cataclysmic descent into tyranny as some decry.

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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:32 AM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)

4. While one data point may disprove a blanket assertion, it does not indicate a trend.

But we have pretty strong empirical evidence that leaving schools defenseless doesn't work, at least as long as we don't provide adequete mental health care.

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Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:34 AM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)