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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:55 AM

Information that I haven't yet seen on DU

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Shootings and other violence are linked to antidepressants. (I said linked not anything stronger.)


Drugs which I've read were prescribed for use by some of those who've committed school violence:
Effexor, Celexa, Anafranil, Lithium, Xanax, Prozac, Ritalin, Thorazine, Amitriptyline, Luvox, Paxil...

From Mother Jones: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/11/prosecuting-pharma >>> In 2001, a Wyoming jury found that Paxil had caused 60-year-old Donald Schell to kill his wife, daughter, granddaughter, and himself, and ordered GlaxoSmithKline to pay $6.4 million to surviving family members. Three hours before the killings, Schell took his first two sample tablets of Paxil.

Maybe it time that doctors prescribing antidepressants and other drugs intended for treating psychiatric disorders start talking to their patients about and family members about some possible side effects. Maybe they should also be suggesting that these folks need to be separated from their weapons.

I have no idea if this data is correct nor time to verify it nor if the source is some radical right pack of lies but google showed this:

< http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41218/ > from Dr. Peter Breggin's work:

In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann, who had been taking Anafranil and Lithium, walked into a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., and began shooting. One child was killed and six wounded.

Later that same year, 19-year-old James Wilson went on a shooting rampage at the Greenwood, S.C., Elementary School and killed two 8-year-old girls and wounded seven others. He’d been on Xanax, Valium and five other drugs.

Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old of Springfield, Ore., in 1998 murdered his parents and proceeded to his high school where he went on a rampage killing two students and wounding 22 others. Kinkel had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.

Patrick Purdy, 25, in 1989 opened fire on a school yard filled with children in Stockton, Calif. Five kids were killed and 30 wounded. He been treated with Thorazine and Amitriptyline.

Steve Lieth of Chelsea, Mich., in 1993 walked into a school meeting and shot and killed the school superintendent, wounding two others, while on Prozac.

10-year-old Tommy Becton in 1996 grabbed his 3-year-old niece as a shield and aimed a shotgun at a sheriff’s deputy who accompanied a truant officer to his Florida home. He’d been put on Prozac.

Michael Carneal, 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in Heath High in West Paducah, Ky. Three died and one was paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.

In 1998, 11-year-old Andrew Golden and 14-year-old Mitchell Johnson apparently faked a fire alarm at Westside Middle School in Jonesboro, Ark., and shot at students as they left the building. Four students and a teacher were killed. The boys were believed to be on Ritalin.

In 1999, Shawn Cooper, 15, of Notus, Idaho, took a shotgun to school and injured one student. He had been taking Ritalin.

April 20, 1999, Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, shot and killed 12 classmates and a teacher and wounded 24 others. Harris had been taking Luvox.

Todd Smith walked into as high school in Taber, Alberta, Canada in 1999 with a shotgun and killed one and injured a second student. He has been given a drug after a five-minute phone consultation with a psychiatrist.

Steven Abrams drove his car into a preschool playground in 1999 in Costa Mesa., Calif., killing two. He was on probation with a requirement to take Lithium.

In 2000, T.J. Solomon, 15, opened fire at Heritage High School in Conyers, Ga., while on a mix of antidepressants. Six were wounded.

The same year Seth Trickey of Gibson, Okla., 13, was on a variety of prescriptions when he opened fire on his middle-school class, injuring five.

Elizabeth Bush, 14, was on Prozac. She shot and wounded another student at Bishop Neumann High in Williamsport, Pa.

Jason Hoffman, 18, in 2001 was on Effexor and Celexa, both antidepressants, when he wounded two teachers at California’s Granite Hills High School.

In Wahluke, Wash., Cory Baadsgaard, 16, took a rifle to his high schooland held 23 classmates hostage in 2001. He has been taking Paxil and Effexor.

In Tokyo in 2001, Mamoru Takuma, 37, went into a second-grade classroom and started stabbing students. He killed eight. He had taken 10 times his normal dosage of an antidepressant.

Duane Morrison, 53, shot and killed a girl at Platte Canyon High School in Colorado in 2006. Antidepressants later were found in his vehicle.

In 2005, 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise on the Red Lake Indian Reservation in Minnesota was under the influence of the antidepressant Prozac when he shot and killed nine people and wounding five before committing suicide.

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Reply Information that I haven't yet seen on DU (Original post)
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 OP
Kaleva Dec 2012 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #3
Kaleva Dec 2012 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #6
SugarShack Dec 2012 #2
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #4
Atypical Liberal Dec 2012 #7
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #12
Glaug-Eldare Dec 2012 #13
farminator3000 Dec 2012 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #11
spin Dec 2012 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #10

Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:03 PM

1. The story about the Fanapt has been debunked.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:08 PM

3. re: "...which you may have already known."

If I had already known that, why would I post it?

I appreciate the info but the other facts still stand.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:39 PM

5. You could edit your OP to delete the reference to that story

At least till more facts come out.

Edit: apologize for coming across as hostile but there's a couple of members who've been pushing that story in several threads in GD even though they've been told over and over again that it's been debunked along with links to show that. But they keep on saying it in other later threads.

I'll edit out my title to delete the last part.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:43 PM

6. Thanks

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:06 PM

2. Senator John DeCamp of NE worked on Columbine and judge would not allow med data!


The drugs used by the kids of Columbine were known in the trial/stats that one in four, that's 25% would become homicidal or suicidal. Our country would never allow that to go to market in earlier days. Why is this allowed? Anyway, DeCamp got all of the data and the Judge would not allow it into court for the Columbine trial.

Sad, but true.

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Response to SugarShack (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:10 PM

4. I read that Eric Harris...

...was taking Luvox but I hadn't heard about that detail of the Columbine event.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:53 PM

7. I think we need to consider adding people on certain drugs to the NICS list of prohibitted persons.


Not only do some of these drugs have possibly dangerous side-effects, but the conditions they treat are people that probably shouldn't have access to guns, either.

Right now you can be crazy as a loon but if you have not been adjudicated mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to a mental institution you can buy a gun, no problems.

I think we need to expand the list of mental issues that disqualify you from gun ownership.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:16 AM

12. I'd have to think on that a bit. n/t

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:04 PM

13. That just buys into the generalization and bigotry against the mentally ill.

These are decisions for doctors and patients to be making, not bureaucrats who can't be bothered to differentiate the severity of stuttering and paranoid schizophrenia.

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Response to farminator3000 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:16 AM

11. I'm sure we agree on many things

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:09 PM

9. I totally agree. I personally know of a person who recently killed herself with a handgun. ...

She had been given some samples of Lexapro. One of the rare but severe side effects of this drug are having thoughts of suicide.

Lexapro Usage increases Suicide, Suicidal Thoughts Risk

On December 13, 2006, the FDA announced antidepressants prescribed to young adults are risky. The agency proposed expanding the labels of all antidepressants to include an expanded warning of suicidal thoughts in patients ranging from 18-24 years of age. The newly presented change would expand a warning now on the labels that pertain only to children and adolescents treated with antidepressant drugs. The new label changes would also contain a suggestion that patients of all ages be carefully monitored, particularly when starting antidepressant treatment.

The FDA recently completed a bulk evaluation of 372 studies involving approximately 100,000 patients and 11 antidepressants, including Lexapro, Zoloft, Prozac and Paxil. When the results are analyzed by age, it becomes clear there is an elevated risk for suicidal thoughts and behavior amongst adults ranging from 18 to 25 years in age that approaches that seen in children, the FDA said in documents released before their scheduled December 13, 2006 meeting of its psychopharmacologic drugs advisory committee.

In May 2006, GlaxoSmithKline and the FDA cautioned Paxil may raise the risk of suicidal behavior in young adults too and changed the drug's label to reflect that risk. In the United States, use of antidepressants for patients under 18 years has not been approved by FDA, with the exception of Prozac. This means that both the healthcare professional who prescribes or dispenses these drugs for children and adolescents and the pharmaceutical company that promotes this off-label (unapproved) use knowingly take a risk with the patient's safety. Antidepressants are widely suspected of contributing to suicidal and/or violent behaviors, especially in children. This point of view has recently been adopted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), somewhat more slowly than its British counterpart, the Medicines Control Agency.

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