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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:03 PM

Maine has strict gun-control laws: For hunting animals

http://davidfarmer.bangordailynews.com/2012/12/19/republicans/maine-has-strict-gun-control-laws-for-hunting-animals/

Maine has strict gun-control laws on the books.

The laws limit the number of rounds a gun can hold and essentially outlaw high-capacity magazines, which can significantly increase the killing capacity of weapons.

Unfortunately, the laws only apply if you’re hunting animals.

If you don’t intend to hunt, or your target is something at a gun range or on two legs — and a standing bear or a bird doesn’t count — the sky is the limit.

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Reply Maine has strict gun-control laws: For hunting animals (Original post)
jpak Dec 2012 OP
Recursion Dec 2012 #1
jpak Dec 2012 #2
Recursion Dec 2012 #3
krispos42 Dec 2012 #16
gejohnston Dec 2012 #4
jpak Dec 2012 #6
gejohnston Dec 2012 #11
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #5
spin Dec 2012 #43
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #7
jpak Dec 2012 #8
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #9
jpak Dec 2012 #10
gejohnston Dec 2012 #12
jpak Dec 2012 #14
jpak Dec 2012 #22
gejohnston Dec 2012 #34
jpak Dec 2012 #36
gejohnston Dec 2012 #38
jpak Dec 2012 #46
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #13
jpak Dec 2012 #15
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #17
gejohnston Dec 2012 #18
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #19
jpak Dec 2012 #20
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #21
jpak Dec 2012 #23
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #24
jpak Dec 2012 #28
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #33
jpak Dec 2012 #37
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25
jpak Dec 2012 #27
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #44
jpak Dec 2012 #45
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #47
PavePusher Dec 2012 #26
jpak Dec 2012 #29
PavePusher Dec 2012 #30
jpak Dec 2012 #32
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #31
jpak Dec 2012 #35
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #39
jpak Dec 2012 #40
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #41
jpak Dec 2012 #42
OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #48

Response to jpak (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:04 PM

1. Maine's murder rate is also 1/10th of the US as a whole's

*shrug*

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Response to Recursion (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:09 PM

2. Good - then restrct all guns to no more than 5 rounds

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:10 PM

3. I'm totally fine with magazine size restrictions. Most people are.

If we could focus on that rather than rifles with modern grips, we would make progress.

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Response to jpak (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:11 PM

16. You can have guns with more than 5 rounds in Maine...

...as long as you're not hunting.


You can hunt with an AR-15 or AK-47ish rifle, as long as the detachable magazines you have for it are 5 rounds or less.


Once you're home, feel free to slap in a 30-rounder.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:10 PM

4. so does Wyoming and Florida

I knew that about Wyoming when LBJ was president.
If your target is paper, so what?
The other is a little more complex

I'm guessing you read you Maine hunting regulations? Did you fill your freezer while sticking it to the corporate feedlot industry?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:48 PM

6. You don't need an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine to shoot paper

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:33 PM

11. who said anything about need

I said doesn't matter.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:37 PM

5. Has a bear or moose ever been party to a home invasion?

 

Have squirrels ever stolen a car and done a drive by shooting?

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:03 PM

43. Actually yes.

Couple attacked as bear invades Pennsylvania home

NewsCore
From: NewsCore
October 04, 2011 10:26AM

A MAN and woman are being treated for injuries after fighting off a black bear that broke into their central Pennsylvania home.

Richard and Angela Moyer let their dog out around 4am Monday (local time), and when their canine companion returned, it led a bear into their Oliver Township house, according to The Patriot-News.

"It is most likely this bear was in hot pursuit of the dog," Pennsylvania Game Commission spokesman Jerry Feaser told the paper.

Richard Moyer was bitten and scratched by the bear. His wife tried to chase the bear off and "it turned on her as well," Feaser said. He did not specify the woman's injuries.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/the-other-side/couple-attacked-as-bear-invades-pennsylvania-home/story-e6frfhk6-1226157859815


Wednesday, November 09, 2005
Drunken Moose Crashes Nursing Home

Two Drunken Moose Invade Home for Elderly

STOCKHOLM, Sweden They rarely have problems with drunks or rowdy animals, but residents of an elderly home in southern Sweden had to deal with both when a pair of intoxicated moose invaded the premises.

The moose, a cow and her calf, had become drunk over the weekend by eating fermented apples they found outside the home in Sibbhult, southern Sweden, said Anna Karlsson, who works there.

Police managed to scare them off once, but the large mammals returned to get more of the tempting fruits. This time the moose were drunk and aggressive, forcing police to send for a hunter with a dog to make them leave.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1172&pid=95068


Couldn't find anything on squirrels and drive by shootings.



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Response to jpak (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

7. Squirrels don't shoot back.

Hunting and self defense are two totally different things.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

8. You do not need an AR-15 for self defense

nope

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Response to jpak (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

9. What do I need then?

An AR15 is a formidable fighting gun and is ideal for self defense. I can't really think of any other use for one.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:32 PM

10. An AR-15 is a formidible mass kid killer

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:59 PM

12. so are machetes and dynamite

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #12)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:09 PM

14. AR15 mass murder apology fail

According to the Book of Gun Nuttery - two wrongs DO make a right.

yup

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:42 AM

22. You cannot stroll into a pawn shop and buy dynamite - you can outrun a guy with a machete o

or fend him off with a chair.

You cannot order dynamite mail order.

There are no Dynamite Shows.

There are no Dynamite Shops.

There is no sickfuck "Dynamite CULTure"

Gun Massacre Kookery Fail.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:05 AM

34. so why didn't they?

just asking

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #34)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:08 AM

36. Because, unlike assault rifles, dynamite is highly regulated and highly secured

duh

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Response to jpak (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:19 AM

38. but diesel fuel and fertilizer

isn't.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:15 PM

46. Tim McVeigh was a gun nut and a kid killing terrorist

what's your point?

Massacre apologist fail again.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:01 PM

13. So what do I need?

You being an expert and all I'm interested in your opinion.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #13)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:10 PM

15. Get a good 12 ga pump and a box of buckshot

that is all the Deefense you need.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:17 PM

17. Do you base that opinion on experience?

What makes a good 12 gauge pump gun suitable for self defense? Why are the police transitioning away from shotguns as issued long arms in their cruisers in favor of AR15's?

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:25 PM

18. conventional wisdom

my understanding is that Hollywood shootout showed pistols and shotguns lacked the range compared to their converted AKs.
Why LAPD SWAT didn't just send someone on a roof with the bolt action, escapes me.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:04 PM

19. A lot of things were learned that day.

I'm just curious about the reasoning behind what some of the experts on this board advocate.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:11 AM

20. Common sense

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #20)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:32 AM

21. Really?

That's your reply to what is going to be serious political issue in 2013?

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 AM

23. With a shotgun - it's point and shoot. Sliding the action to chamber a round

makes a noise no burglar wants to hear.

Buckshot won't go through yer neighbor's nursery room walls.

Toddlers can't lift a full sized duck gun - and kids can't conceal them in their backpacks to take them to school on the bus.

Criminals can hide them in their wasitbands.

Common sense.

yup



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Response to jpak (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:25 AM

24. Can't hide an AR in your waistband either.

00 buck will penetrate at least four walls fairly easily. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

Oh, and as someone who regularly trains and qualifies with a fighting shotgun I can assure you it's not "point and shoot" unless you don't really care what you're shooting. The point and shoot thing is a common misconception among people who have never held, much less fired, a shotgun. The shotgun is a great weapon, but it's not exactly the ideal choice for everyone if one takes the time to think about it.

5.56 frangible ammo, which is what the police use, is highly accurate and does not over penetrate. It is also useful for preventing ricochets, which is a serious concern in police work. The low recoil also keeps you on target for subsequent shots so there's a lot less chance of putting a round in an unintended place.

Both the shotgun and the AR have a place in home defense depending on the environment where it's most likely going to be used.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:40 AM

28. You can't shoot 30 rounds in 30 seconds with a duck gun

Number 6 bird shot trumps gun nut frangible rounds in the collateral damage dept.

Duck guns makes a poor choice for mass murderers but a good choice for self defense.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:50 AM

33. Why is it a good choice?

You make the assertion but you fail to bring any facts to the table.

Oh, and what is #6 shot?

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:10 AM

37. I thought gungeoneers knew EVERYTHING about guns

apparently not.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:35 AM

25. You are quite wrong

An experienced shotgunner may use one, but for new shooters, its the semi auto handgun that most instructors teach since it is the most effective, hands down.

Like others, you have no idea how dangerous and far 00 buck goes.


Yup yup

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:37 AM

27. Absolutely not true

What a stupid post.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:01 PM

44. I teach this stuff, you mostly yup about it

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:13 PM

45. I shot skeet in 6th grade after completing hunter safety

Smoked the first bird up.

No class required.

Try that with a first time pistol shooter.

Reality fail.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:35 AM

47. Station 1 is easy

And it has nothing to do with penetration of shot shells

yup yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:37 AM

26. Phale.

 

You know nothing about guns, do you?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:41 AM

29. Yes I do - it is a Gun Nut Conceit to believe only THEY know something

about guns.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:47 AM

30. First Rule of Holes, my friend. You should heed it. n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:49 AM

32. Right back atcha

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:49 AM

31. So what is it you know about the subject?

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:06 AM

35. OK - let's compare the massacre effectiveness of an AR15 and a 12 ga. pump duck gun

Let's give our two contestants 30 rounds to fire as fast as they can go.

AR15 with a 30 round clip - 30 seconds - Bang Bang Bang Wolverines!!!111

Shotgunnut fires 5 rounds in 15 seconds - has to reload.

Must invert gun to slip 4 shells into the tube.

Must jack 1 shell into the chamber.

Then slip another round into the tube.

This takes 15 - 20 seconds

30+ seconds total and shotgunnut still has 4 more cycles to get to 30 rounds.

During the reloading process, potential victims run away or overpower the gun nut douchebag.

AR15 wins the Wayne LaPierre massacre competition bloody hands down.

yup

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Response to jpak (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:51 AM

39. You don't know how to speed load a shotgun, do you?

Not surprised.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:52 AM

40. I have no use to speed load a shotgun - that is the realm of the Gun Nutters

and gun massacre wannabes

yup

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:53 AM

41. There's no sense in trying to discuss policy with the willfully ignorant.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:01 PM

42. So, Obama , Senators and Congresscritters must know how to speed load a shotgun

before they can discuss gun control policy?

The Gun Nut Kookery is in Full Cry today.

indeed

yup

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:04 AM

48. Truth be told, gun control for hunting is simply to level the playing field.

 

Animals are stupid and unarmed and can only rely on natural skill to fight or flee. Humans are at the top of the intelligence hierarchy and food chain, they can often be armed to shoot back, and they can use a variety of other tools to fight back or flee (clubs, blades, cars, bikes, etc.)

If you're going to use a gun against an animal, it only makes sense that you make it a little more fair/sporting.


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do i really need the sarcasm tag?

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