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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:03 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

Maine has strict gun-control laws: For hunting animals

http://davidfarmer.bangordailynews.com/2012/12/19/republicans/maine-has-strict-gun-control-laws-for-hunting-animals/

Maine has strict gun-control laws on the books.

The laws limit the number of rounds a gun can hold and essentially outlaw high-capacity magazines, which can significantly increase the killing capacity of weapons.

Unfortunately, the laws only apply if you’re hunting animals.

If you don’t intend to hunt, or your target is something at a gun range or on two legs — and a standing bear or a bird doesn’t count — the sky is the limit.

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Reply Maine has strict gun-control laws: For hunting animals (Original post)
 jpak Dec 2012 OP
LineReply Maine's murder rate is also 1/10th of the US as a whole's
 Recursion Dec 2012 #1
LineLineReply Good - then restrct all guns to no more than 5 rounds
 jpak Dec 2012 #2
LineLineLineReply I'm totally fine with magazine size restrictions. Most people are.
 Recursion Dec 2012 #3
LineLineLineReply You can have guns with more than 5 rounds in Maine...
 krispos42 Dec 2012 #16
LineReply so does Wyoming and Florida
 gejohnston Dec 2012 #4
LineLineReply You don't need an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine to shoot paper
 jpak Dec 2012 #6
LineLineLineReply who said anything about need
 gejohnston Dec 2012 #11
LineReply Has a bear or moose ever been party to a home invasion?
 Remmah2 Dec 2012 #5
LineLineNew Reply Actually yes.
 spin Dec 2012 #43
LineReply Squirrels don't shoot back.
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #7
LineLineReply You do not need an AR-15 for self defense
 jpak Dec 2012 #8
LineLineLineReply What do I need then?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #9
LineLineLineLineReply An AR-15 is a formidible mass kid killer
 jpak Dec 2012 #10
LineLineLineLineLineReply so are machetes and dynamite
 gejohnston Dec 2012 #12
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply AR15 mass murder apology fail
 jpak Dec 2012 #14
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply You cannot stroll into a pawn shop and buy dynamite - you can outrun a guy with a machete o
 jpak Dec 2012 #22
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply so why didn't they?
 gejohnston Dec 2012 #34
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Because, unlike assault rifles, dynamite is highly regulated and highly secured
 jpak Dec 2012 #36
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply but diesel fuel and fertilizer
 gejohnston Dec 2012 #38
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Tim McVeigh was a gun nut and a kid killing terrorist
 jpak Dec 2012 #46
LineLineLineLineLineReply So what do I need?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #13
LineLineLineLineLineLineReply Get a good 12 ga pump and a box of buckshot
 jpak Dec 2012 #15
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Do you base that opinion on experience?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #17
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply conventional wisdom
 gejohnston Dec 2012 #18
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply A lot of things were learned that day.
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #19
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Common sense
 jpak Dec 2012 #20
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Really?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #21
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply With a shotgun - it's point and shoot. Sliding the action to chamber a round
 jpak Dec 2012 #23
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Can't hide an AR in your waistband either.
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #24
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply You can't shoot 30 rounds in 30 seconds with a duck gun
 jpak Dec 2012 #28
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Why is it a good choice?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #33
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply I thought gungeoneers knew EVERYTHING about guns
 jpak Dec 2012 #37
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply You are quite wrong
 ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #25
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Absolutely not true
 jpak Dec 2012 #27
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I teach this stuff, you mostly yup about it
 ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #44
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I shot skeet in 6th grade after completing hunter safety
 jpak Dec 2012 #45
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Station 1 is easy
 ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #47
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Phale.
 PavePusher Dec 2012 #26
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Yes I do - it is a Gun Nut Conceit to believe only THEY know something
 jpak Dec 2012 #29
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply First Rule of Holes, my friend. You should heed it. n/t
 PavePusher Dec 2012 #30
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply Right back atcha
 jpak Dec 2012 #32
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply So what is it you know about the subject?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #31
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineReply OK - let's compare the massacre effectiveness of an AR15 and a 12 ga. pump duck gun
 jpak Dec 2012 #35
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply You don't know how to speed load a shotgun, do you?
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #39
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply I have no use to speed load a shotgun - that is the realm of the Gun Nutters
 jpak Dec 2012 #40
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply There's no sense in trying to discuss policy with the willfully ignorant.
 jeepnstein Dec 2012 #41
LineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineLineNew Reply So, Obama , Senators and Congresscritters must know how to speed load a shotgun
 jpak Dec 2012 #42
LineNew Reply Truth be told, gun control for hunting is simply to level the playing field.
 OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2012 #48

Response to jpak (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:04 PM

Star Member Recursion (25,514 posts)

1. Maine's murder rate is also 1/10th of the US as a whole's

*shrug*

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:09 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

2. Good - then restrct all guns to no more than 5 rounds

yup

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:10 PM

Star Member Recursion (25,514 posts)

3. I'm totally fine with magazine size restrictions. Most people are.

If we could focus on that rather than rifles with modern grips, we would make progress.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:11 PM

Star Member krispos42 (45,150 posts)

16. You can have guns with more than 5 rounds in Maine...

...as long as you're not hunting.


You can hunt with an AR-15 or AK-47ish rifle, as long as the detachable magazines you have for it are 5 rounds or less.


Once you're home, feel free to slap in a 30-rounder.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:10 PM

gejohnston (12,587 posts)

4. so does Wyoming and Florida

I knew that about Wyoming when LBJ was president.
If your target is paper, so what?
The other is a little more complex

I'm guessing you read you Maine hunting regulations? Did you fill your freezer while sticking it to the corporate feedlot industry?

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:48 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

6. You don't need an assault weapon with a 30 round magazine to shoot paper

yup

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:33 PM

gejohnston (12,587 posts)

11. who said anything about need

I said doesn't matter.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:37 PM

Remmah2 (3,291 posts)

5. Has a bear or moose ever been party to a home invasion?

 

Have squirrels ever stolen a car and done a drive by shooting?

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:03 PM

Star Member spin (14,737 posts)

43. Actually yes.

Couple attacked as bear invades Pennsylvania home

NewsCore
From: NewsCore
October 04, 2011 10:26AM

A MAN and woman are being treated for injuries after fighting off a black bear that broke into their central Pennsylvania home.

Richard and Angela Moyer let their dog out around 4am Monday (local time), and when their canine companion returned, it led a bear into their Oliver Township house, according to The Patriot-News.

"It is most likely this bear was in hot pursuit of the dog," Pennsylvania Game Commission spokesman Jerry Feaser told the paper.

Richard Moyer was bitten and scratched by the bear. His wife tried to chase the bear off and "it turned on her as well," Feaser said. He did not specify the woman's injuries.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/the-other-side/couple-attacked-as-bear-invades-pennsylvania-home/story-e6frfhk6-1226157859815


Wednesday, November 09, 2005
Drunken Moose Crashes Nursing Home

Two Drunken Moose Invade Home for Elderly

STOCKHOLM, Sweden They rarely have problems with drunks or rowdy animals, but residents of an elderly home in southern Sweden had to deal with both when a pair of intoxicated moose invaded the premises.

The moose, a cow and her calf, had become drunk over the weekend by eating fermented apples they found outside the home in Sibbhult, southern Sweden, said Anna Karlsson, who works there.

Police managed to scare them off once, but the large mammals returned to get more of the tempting fruits. This time the moose were drunk and aggressive, forcing police to send for a hunter with a dog to make them leave.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1172&pid=95068


Couldn't find anything on squirrels and drive by shootings.



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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

7. Squirrels don't shoot back.

Hunting and self defense are two totally different things.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:15 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

8. You do not need an AR-15 for self defense

nope

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:25 PM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

9. What do I need then?

An AR15 is a formidable fighting gun and is ideal for self defense. I can't really think of any other use for one.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:32 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

10. An AR-15 is a formidible mass kid killer

yup

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:59 PM

gejohnston (12,587 posts)

12. so are machetes and dynamite

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35759877/ns/world_news-africa/t/machete-wielding-rioters-kill-nigeria/#.UNIqP9OzxL8

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster
still the worst mass school murder in US history, and hopefully always remain so.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:09 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

14. AR15 mass murder apology fail

According to the Book of Gun Nuttery - two wrongs DO make a right.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:42 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

22. You cannot stroll into a pawn shop and buy dynamite - you can outrun a guy with a machete o

or fend him off with a chair.

You cannot order dynamite mail order.

There are no Dynamite Shows.

There are no Dynamite Shops.

There is no sickfuck "Dynamite CULTure"

Gun Massacre Kookery Fail.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:05 AM

gejohnston (12,587 posts)

34. so why didn't they?

just asking

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:08 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

36. Because, unlike assault rifles, dynamite is highly regulated and highly secured

duh

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:19 AM

gejohnston (12,587 posts)

38. but diesel fuel and fertilizer

isn't.

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:15 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

46. Tim McVeigh was a gun nut and a kid killing terrorist

what's your point?

Massacre apologist fail again.

yup

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:01 PM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

13. So what do I need?

You being an expert and all I'm interested in your opinion.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:10 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

15. Get a good 12 ga pump and a box of buckshot

that is all the Deefense you need.

yup

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:17 PM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

17. Do you base that opinion on experience?

What makes a good 12 gauge pump gun suitable for self defense? Why are the police transitioning away from shotguns as issued long arms in their cruisers in favor of AR15's?

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:25 PM

gejohnston (12,587 posts)

18. conventional wisdom

my understanding is that Hollywood shootout showed pistols and shotguns lacked the range compared to their converted AKs.
Why LAPD SWAT didn't just send someone on a roof with the bolt action, escapes me.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:04 PM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

19. A lot of things were learned that day.

I'm just curious about the reasoning behind what some of the experts on this board advocate.

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:11 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

20. Common sense

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:32 AM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

21. Really?

That's your reply to what is going to be serious political issue in 2013?

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

23. With a shotgun - it's point and shoot. Sliding the action to chamber a round

makes a noise no burglar wants to hear.

Buckshot won't go through yer neighbor's nursery room walls.

Toddlers can't lift a full sized duck gun - and kids can't conceal them in their backpacks to take them to school on the bus.

Criminals can hide them in their wasitbands.

Common sense.

yup



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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:25 AM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

24. Can't hide an AR in your waistband either.

00 buck will penetrate at least four walls fairly easily. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm

Oh, and as someone who regularly trains and qualifies with a fighting shotgun I can assure you it's not "point and shoot" unless you don't really care what you're shooting. The point and shoot thing is a common misconception among people who have never held, much less fired, a shotgun. The shotgun is a great weapon, but it's not exactly the ideal choice for everyone if one takes the time to think about it.

5.56 frangible ammo, which is what the police use, is highly accurate and does not over penetrate. It is also useful for preventing ricochets, which is a serious concern in police work. The low recoil also keeps you on target for subsequent shots so there's a lot less chance of putting a round in an unintended place.

Both the shotgun and the AR have a place in home defense depending on the environment where it's most likely going to be used.

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:40 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

28. You can't shoot 30 rounds in 30 seconds with a duck gun

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:44 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Number 6 bird shot trumps gun nut frangible rounds in the collateral damage dept.

Duck guns makes a poor choice for mass murderers but a good choice for self defense.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:50 AM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

33. Why is it a good choice?

You make the assertion but you fail to bring any facts to the table.

Oh, and what is #6 shot?

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:10 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

37. I thought gungeoneers knew EVERYTHING about guns

apparently not.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:35 AM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

25. You are quite wrong

An experienced shotgunner may use one, but for new shooters, its the semi auto handgun that most instructors teach since it is the most effective, hands down.

Like others, you have no idea how dangerous and far 00 buck goes.


Yup yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:37 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

27. Absolutely not true

What a stupid post.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:01 PM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

44. I teach this stuff, you mostly yup about it

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:13 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

45. I shot skeet in 6th grade after completing hunter safety

Smoked the first bird up.

No class required.

Try that with a first time pistol shooter.

Reality fail.

yup

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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:35 AM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

47. Station 1 is easy

And it has nothing to do with penetration of shot shells

yup yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:37 AM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)

26. Phale.

 

You know nothing about guns, do you?

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:41 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

29. Yes I do - it is a Gun Nut Conceit to believe only THEY know something

about guns.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:47 AM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)

30. First Rule of Holes, my friend. You should heed it. n/t

 

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:49 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

32. Right back atcha

yup

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jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

31. So what is it you know about the subject?

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:06 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

35. OK - let's compare the massacre effectiveness of an AR15 and a 12 ga. pump duck gun

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:14 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

Let's give our two contestants 30 rounds to fire as fast as they can go.

AR15 with a 30 round clip - 30 seconds - Bang Bang Bang Wolverines!!!111

Shotgunnut fires 5 rounds in 15 seconds - has to reload.

Must invert gun to slip 4 shells into the tube.

Must jack 1 shell into the chamber.

Then slip another round into the tube.

This takes 15 - 20 seconds

30+ seconds total and shotgunnut still has 4 more cycles to get to 30 rounds.

During the reloading process, potential victims run away or overpower the gun nut douchebag.

AR15 wins the Wayne LaPierre massacre competition bloody hands down.

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:51 AM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

39. You don't know how to speed load a shotgun, do you?

Not surprised.

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:52 AM

jpak (26,923 posts)

40. I have no use to speed load a shotgun - that is the realm of the Gun Nutters

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:58 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

and gun massacre wannabes

yup

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:53 AM

jeepnstein (2,548 posts)

41. There's no sense in trying to discuss policy with the willfully ignorant.

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:01 PM

jpak (26,923 posts)

42. So, Obama , Senators and Congresscritters must know how to speed load a shotgun

Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:02 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

before they can discuss gun control policy?

The Gun Nut Kookery is in Full Cry today.

indeed

yup

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Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:04 AM

Star Member OneTenthofOnePercent (6,268 posts)

48. Truth be told, gun control for hunting is simply to level the playing field.

 

Animals are stupid and unarmed and can only rely on natural skill to fight or flee. Humans are at the top of the intelligence hierarchy and food chain, they can often be armed to shoot back, and they can use a variety of other tools to fight back or flee (clubs, blades, cars, bikes, etc.)

If you're going to use a gun against an animal, it only makes sense that you make it a little more fair/sporting.


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do i really need the sarcasm tag?

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