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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:19 AM

What kind of gun nut are you?

The term gun nut is tossed around here quite loosely. The problem is no one can agree on what the qualifications are and what separates a "good gun owner" from a gun nut. As the recently appointed worst Gungeoneer, this is my take on it. Though it may not be all inclusive, IME, gun owners fall into distinct groups but share some common features.
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Accidental/Casual: Inherited it, used to hunt 20 years ago etc. Firearm is inactive, in a closet somewhere (unsecured) no one knows where the ammo is.

Self Defense Only: Generally a newer owner, most likely a modern semi automatic handgun. One per adult, with the occasionally a .22LR pistol for low cost practice. No long guns. Meticulous about safety and securing weapons. Likely to have a CCW and carry at least part of the time.

Hunter/Outdoorman: Shotgun(s), hunting rifles which may include semi autos depending on the age of the owner. A hand gun or two, mostly older. A .22LR would be expected. Not always secured well. Might have an AR. Maybe a self defense hand gun or shotgun. Unlikely to have a CCW

Shooting Sports: Long guns depend on the sport, shotguns for clays, rifles for other kinds of shooting. An AR format rifle would be expected. Lots of handguns if a competitor there, otherwise 2-3 would be about the norm. .22LR rifles and pistol would also be there. Maybe a historic piece or two. Cowboy shooters also have a different mix, mostly reproductions of antique designs. Tend to be organized and keeps thing secured. May or may not have a CCW

Collector: Lots of weapons, mostly older, depends on the period of interest. Instead of 44Magnum with a laser sight, you might find a Webley or a SA Colt. Like most shooters .22LR and an AR would not be unusual. Tends to have some in display cases vice safes. Unlikely to have a CCW

Survivalist: Heavy focus on military style weapons with multiple copies within a family. Would also have shotguns, long range rifle, and .22LR weapons. Tend to secure things well and often wants to fly under the radar. Many hide it from friends and even family. Will have a CCW if its available and carries.

Gun Nuts: Different from the above since they focus on guns and not other activities. Rarer than some here think in that their lives revolve around guns. A Hunter type might wear camo in the field. These guys wear camo underwear. These types tend to have diverse and growing collections, without a lot of duplicates. Very big into accessorizing in addition to getting lots of firearms. Tends to secure them but also distributes a few for easy reach. Scary to most other gun owners. Will have a CCW if its available and carries.

Thugs/Criminals: Guns are integral to gang life, they are not called gang bangers for nothing. Guns are a statement of who they are but there goal is respect etc. They have modern pistols, mostly of better quality. Occasional semi auto rifles. All weapons possessed illegally and either stolen or straw purchased. Carries without a CCW. Poorly trained. Most dangerous of all groups and responsible for most gun violence in the country.

I am sure there are more groups that I could enumerate, but that is what comes to mind at the moment.
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Some thoughts on the above: Current numbers of households with firearms are mostly based on self identification, which is always questionable. I am comfortable with about 40-60% of American households having firearms, somewhere close to half. However the number of ones with active shooters is no more than 30%, quite possibly less. This is as much based on my experience than any scientific polls.

Its clear to me than numbers alone or the possession of one kind of firearm or another is not a primary indicator of gun nuttery or which group a person falls into. Its a fair bet that a trap or skeet shooter has many shotguns, but what else they have is impossible to tell. A collector with every WWI bolt action every made probably has an AR as well. Just about every gun owner has has some kind of .22LR.

One thing is clear, is that outside of the first two groups, anyone who is comfortable with firearms and likes using them is going to have a growing collection over time. Most don't sell anything they own. I fall into that category. I have never sold a weapon once I owned it. Its a hassle and I did not want the responsibility and liability. Easier just to move it to the back of the safe. That is changing for me now.

So in summary, there are many different types of gun owners, and most of them IME are not gun nuts (which clearly do exist). The issue is not number, or kind, but intent and attitude.Those not familiar with the different groups lump them all together. That is dumb, but it is happening with increasing frequency ("all gun owners have blood on their hands"). It polarizes the debate and ultimately reduces the opportunity for effective dialog and reform.


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I believe that this is topical for this forum since it address the kinds of gun owners there are and their preferences. I will gladly repost in GD is our hosts request it.

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Reply What kind of gun nut are you? (Original post)
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 OP
DrDan Dec 2012 #1
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #2
safeinOhio Dec 2012 #3
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #5
safeinOhio Dec 2012 #9
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #6
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #7
spin Dec 2012 #15
holdencaufield Dec 2012 #34
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #35
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #8
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #10
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #11
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #12
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #13
hockeynut57 Dec 2012 #25
jeepnstein Dec 2012 #29
hockeynut57 Dec 2012 #31
sarisataka Dec 2012 #14
Remmah2 Dec 2012 #16
hack89 Dec 2012 #17
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #18
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #19
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #20
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #21
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #22
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #23
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #24
holdencaufield Dec 2012 #37
madmom Dec 2012 #26
holdencaufield Dec 2012 #27
darkangel218 Dec 2012 #28
holdencaufield Dec 2012 #30
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #33
actslikeacarrot Dec 2012 #32
Decoy of Fenris Dec 2012 #36
jody Dec 2012 #38
ileus Dec 2012 #39
slackmaster Dec 2012 #40
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #41

Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:27 AM

1. you seem to suggest that if one is a "collector", then would not be a "gun nut"

seems to me that the term could also apply to "collectors", "survivalists", sports shooter, hunter.

I don't think it is as neat and clean as you would like to suggest.

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Response to DrDan (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:35 AM

2. As I said IME, its a matter of attitude, not quantity

Collectors collect things. They might salivate over a perfect 1898 large ring Mauser, but they do not define themselves by gun ownership.

Similar with the Sportsman, though it might be a Weatherby Mark 5 or a Perratzi trap gun rather than the Mauser.

Survivalists are focused on TEOTAWAKI, guns are important but not the main thrust. They are scary in their own way too.

It is clearly not neat and clean since it is mostly a reading of their attitude, which is always subjective.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:40 AM

3. What kind of "gun-grabber" are you?

Strange how insulting labels can fit anyone, to some degree.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:45 AM

5. Trying to define terms is a reasonable thing

Some of the extremists (All gun owners have blood on their hands) are poisoning discussion. I figured it was time to talk about different kinds of gun owners since I have considerable experience in that area. I would not post the equivalent about "gun grabbers" though you and others are obviously free to do so.

My main thrust is that it is not type or quantity that defines a gun nut, its the mindset (and the camo undies). Also wanted to point out that a dozen firearms is in no way remarkable amongst shooters.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:01 AM

9. Terms like gun grabber and gun nut can not be defined

In this group. The terms are used to insult anyone with a different take on weapons than the other person. I own guns, but favor more restrictive laws. So I'm called both.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:45 AM

4. Guns are boring

Ever try classical music?

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:46 AM

6. Yes, it is not where my skills lie

You ever try shooting?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:51 AM

7. My brother and I used to take cans of pork and beans from the pantry

And shoot them with his pellet gun. The bean juice was blood and the beans, well, you know...We also liked the sound it made when we shot into the stream. Then we grew up.

Now many gun owners are surely bright, interesting people. I just found it silly.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:22 AM

15. If we all had the same interests this would be a boring world. ...

You are undoubtedly interested in hobbies that I would not be.


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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:12 PM

34. I do both

 

I shoot AND play the oboe ... any other stereotypes you'd like to explore?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:16 PM

35. Huh?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:55 AM

8. If owning a gun for self defense makes me a " gun nut ": then so be it.

These people who advocate complete ban of our 2nd amendment have gone mad for the past few days. All I see is them equating law abiding citizens with baby killers, and ganging up on anyone who admits to be a firearm owner. It's freaking sickening.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:04 AM

10. Sickening

Strong word. What would you call Newtown?

One way this gets pear-shaped here (remember where you are; this is not FR) is posts like yours that distort the argument most people are making (very few are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment) and use the language of the aggrieved to describe the potential for new rules re. guns in the aftermath of a tragedy. That's what many of us find freaking sickening.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:10 AM

11. If i would've been armed when i was attacked and raped, it wouldn't have happened!

The Newtown shooter didn't legally own the firearms, he stole them from his mother who didn't secure them properly. And yes it is sickening to say all gun owners are baby killers. This lynching mob shouldn't be allowed in DU.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:13 AM

12. As long as its legal to own a gun, i will never give up mine!

Like I said before, I was raped once, fuck if I will ever let it happen again!

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:51 AM

13. None of the above?

I have hunting guns that haven't seen the light of day in many years. I just don't have the time for it anymore. I love hunting and I'm pretty good at it but I just don't have the bug these days.

I also have a few weapons that are used when I'm working as a Deputy Sheriff. They are mine and were bought out of my own pocket as is the custom in most departments. Even though I have a valid ID and can carry in all 50 States I most generally don't carry concealed when not in uniform.

I haven't bought a new gun in years. I may have to in the not-too-distant future as part of my duty gear but nobody is in a rush to have me switch from a 1911.

Oh, and I'm a certifiable gun nut. I keep up on prices, who's buying what, who's selling what, and I'll go shooting any chance I get. My big pet peeve is safety and how lots of folks can't be bothered with even the most basic practices.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:19 PM

25. 1911 hardly a weapon of mass destruction

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Response to hockeynut57 (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:45 PM

29. Seeing as how they don't allow us to carry nerve gas or nukes...

I'll settle for the 1911, thank you very much. WMD really isn't all that terribly useful for anything but really large scale killing. I prefer a bit more accuracy.

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Response to jeepnstein (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:22 PM

31. 8 in the clip 1 in the chamber. seems like a reasonable loadout for self defense.

ilike my 1911 too. why does anyone need a 20 round clip?

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:17 AM

14. Congratulations on your new appointment



I would say I am a blend of three:
Self Defense Only: Generally a newer owner, most likely a modern semi automatic handgun. One per adult, with the occasionally a .22LR pistol for low cost practice. No long guns. Meticulous about safety and securing weapons. Likely to have a CCW and carry at least part of the time.

Hunter/Outdoorman: Shotgun(s), hunting rifles which may include semi autos depending on the age of the owner. A hand gun or two, mostly older. A .22LR would be expected. Not always secured well. Might have an AR. Maybe a self defense hand gun or shotgun. Unlikely to have a CCW

Shooting Sports: Long guns depend on the sport, shotguns for clays, rifles for other kinds of shooting. An AR format rifle would be expected. Lots of handguns if a competitor there, otherwise 2-3 would be about the norm. .22LR rifles and pistol would also be there. Maybe a historic piece or two. Cowboy shooters also have a different mix, mostly reproductions of antique designs. Tend to be organized and keeps thing secured. May or may not have a CCW


I carry for SD, either a 9mm semi or .38 revolver depending on how I will dress for the day. I also teach SD and recommend firearms for new shooters (or recommend alternatives to those who I have doubts about) Responsibility, safety and security is emphasized.

I love the outdoors and usually carry for critter protection. I say I hunt but take far more game with my camera than the gun.

Shooting sports help me keep my skills up. Also the focus needed to do your very best at any task is very therapeutic and a good way to escape the stress of life. I also like model trains for the same reason

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:41 AM

16. Shooting sports and self defense because they're in the house.

 

I actually spend more time in the garden and woodshop.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:54 AM

17. Shooting sports. nt

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:33 PM

18. None of the Above

I don't own a gun.

They are bad for you.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:37 PM

19. No theyre not.

My gun protects me.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:41 PM

20. Guns are Bad

....for me.

And some who own them end up regretting it.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:42 PM

21. Ok, but you said " guns are bad for you ".

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:45 PM

22. Guns are Bad

...for me and others.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:46 PM

23. I beg to differ. But youre entitled to your own opinion.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:48 PM

24. Fair Enough

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:37 PM

37. Then I recommend you don't buy one

 

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:10 PM

26. I honestly don't feel that is the business of anybody on this board.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:19 PM

27. All of the above ...

 

... except thug ... I look terrible in gang colours.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:29 PM

28. lol!! nt

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 03:48 PM

30. Ummm .... thanks?

 

" I am comfortable with about 40-60% of American households having firearms"

But I wasn't aware I needed you to be comfortable with my right.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:54 PM

33. My statement is my personal assessment of the # of household with firearms

The current stats are mostly self identified and being misquoted heavily

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:51 PM

32. Guess i'm the "shooting sport nut."

Inherited a .22 target pistol from my father and enjoy it immensly.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:25 PM

36. I'm the first Collector?

Well, there's gotta be a first somewhere. My old man just passed down a gun he got from his old man's old man, a Springfield 1873 Trapdoor, issued to the 7th Cavalry; Custer's crew. I can't see myself ever firing that weapon except if my life depends on it.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:16 PM

38. None of your classes define the paranoid hatred anti-RKBA's mean when they use the phrase. nt

 

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:03 PM

39. I have the first 5 covered.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:40 PM

40. Collector, occasional target shooter, volunteer firearm safety instructor

 

Having a large variety of weapons of historical or technical interest makes teaching gun safety interesting.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:44 PM

41. thug, dude. definitely gangsta thug.

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