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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:09 PM

 

What's wrong with concealed carry?

Seriously.

It's been shown here several times that the odds of being killed by a CCW permittee are extremely remote. Less than the odds of being struck by lightning, for example.

In a recent survey in this group ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/117291452 ) one person out of 50 thinks murders will increase significantly if CCW becomes the law in Illinois; everyone else thinks murders will stay essentially the same or decrease significantly.

So what's wrong with concealed carry? Is there a fear that murder not going up will show, yet again, that the cries of wolf were unfounded? Is it that public bearing of arms by responsible, law abiding people will fail to cause increased murders?

Why would anyone--especially someone whose focus is preventing gun murders--fear something that doesn't increase gun murders? And what about the possibility that murders will significantly decrease? If staying essentially the same is bad, what would a decrease in murders after concealed carry be--worse?!

Interesting, isn't it?

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jody Dec 2012 #1
Vox Moi Dec 2012 #2
gejohnston Dec 2012 #3

Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:14 PM

1. CCW is the greatest threat to criminals and those who support criminals by wanting to ban all guns.

 

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Response to TPaine7 (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:36 PM

2. What are the numbers?

How many documented cases of a CCW permittee foiling an armed criminal act?
How many of these cases involved the CCW permittee shooting the perp?
How many of these included some sort of unintended shooting if any?
How many cases of a CCW permittee pulling a gun having mistaken the situation?
How many cases of a CCW permittee involved in an armed criminal act, if any?
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I found this .... still researching the answers to the above.
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm

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Response to Vox Moi (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:42 PM

3. if you read through those

most of them are murder/suicides in the home, making the permit irrelevant.
another large number are listed as "undetermined" which means have yet to get to court to determine if it was a murder/manslaughter or justifiable. Coming to a conclusion based on newspaper articles that lack the necessary details to determine innocence or guilt, assuming they are well written, is folly.
When they taught critical thinking where I went to school, I was taught rarely if ever believe anything by an advocacy group or anyone with a political bias be it VPC, NRA, AARP, or whatever.

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