Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forum"run along back to the gungeon"
This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).
so then the argument can be that one never posts anywhere BUT the gungeon.
see how that works?
gateley
(62,683 posts)It seems you guys (assuming you're a gungeon denizen) don't try to push your views on the rest of us, but too many are badgering you to show the error of your ways.
I'm neutral, leaning more toward control than not, I guess, but feel you guys (and every forum) deserves a place where you can discuss your interests without being vilified.
I'm not the only one who feels this way, either, so do know you DO have support "out there"
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)graham4anything
(11,464 posts)when someone looks at an anti-gun poster in the profiles of yourself, it shows
that one posts in the gun section.
What it does not show in mine is, that 100% of my gun thread posts ARE ANTI-GUN
so someone later in another thread looks at my profile, they think I am Pro-gun
(because who would spend so much time here being anti-gun(I WOULD)
that is the point.
no other subject is only allowed in a separate section.
there is no place to argue guns but in here, any thread outside of here is closed and we are told we can reopen the thread here.
So we all can come here, be civil with the nice folks here and give our opinion.
They won't change their minds, but hopefully enough people will read in and we can change some and show there are people here at DU who want something done
gateley
(62,683 posts)And you bring up a good one about those who are anti-gun not having a "safe place" to discuss.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)that is what ironically it means.
It gets hidden and not discussed.
But I myself have entered here to debate the fine folks that are pro-NRA and pro-Gun.
and though we won't change those folks minds, well, there are many who might read in,
as the whole board is googled search fed, and many people are listening.
then count those who are pro-gun.
the number is less than you think
and yes, they are damn scared though won't admit it, of Mike Bloomberg.
because never before has the NRA had to answer. All they had to do was sort of blackmail in its own way any candidate that dared speak out. The NRA basically said if they did not support the gun, that candidate would be defeated
well, now there is the great Equalizer
and the gun folk are scared
because come next year, he is retired from public office. And has mega billions he wants to spend on his causes(almost all liberal causes, plus being anti-gun).
and because he can.
and will
they are afraid
so please, come here and debate, but do it civil so you can keep debating on this forum
and remember, 100% of every thread I post here is anti-gun. And always will be.
(and I don't wish to take their guns away, just to keep them in their house.
Collectors can hang them on their walls
one can keep them in their locker like a bowling ball at shooting ranges
and if they hunt, a bow and arrow works fine
just not on the street.
change is coming.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Happy Holidays, graham4anything
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)No more Zimmerman's.
it's as if the rightwing put in that law in attempts to create riots.
and Happy Holidays to you too!
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)I hope that you are enjoying a merry season and a joyous yuletide
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Pete Townshend now playing at the concert
spin
(17,493 posts)but the chances of doing so are extremely slim. If you disagree please find an example of just one state that passed "shall issue" concealed carry and later revoked the law.
But let's say that you were by some miracle successful and it became illegal for honest citizens to carry firearms in public. You mention that you wish to also ban all illegal guns on the street. Since it is already illegal to carry a firearm in the majority of states without a license please explain why criminals still do.
So if you ban all legal carry of firearms than you will have eliminated the right for licensed citizens to carry possibly the most effective tool to stop an attack from an individual who intends to seriously injure or kill a victim.
Possibly the only reason that I am able to make this reply to you is the fact that in the 1920 time frame my mother stopped an attack with a handgun she had in her purse. She had just left a bus and was walking home when a man who was hiding behind some bushes rushed her. She fired two shots from a S&W Ladysmith revolver over his head and he wisely decided to run in the opposite direction. Had she been raped and murdered I would not be here today. I don't believe that my mom's attacker was armed but she was only 5"' 2" tall and weighed less than 100 pounds. She would have little chance stopping his attack but for that handgun.
I don't believe that Zimmerman acted correctly but a jury will make the final determination of his guilt or innocence based on the evidence at the trial.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)whether you believe that jury or not shows what a jury says might not please the world.
I do hope there is no riot. It would ruin the cause if there was a riot if Zimmy was found not guilty.
But i think they are going all or nothing for 1st degree. If that is so, and there is no backup,
he might not be found guilty now.
However, I hope if he is found not guilty, that the Martin family sues the shit out of him
in a civil trial, if that is allowed in Florida( it may not be allowed).
But from the way I see it, Mr. Martin should have had a gun and used it against Zimmy and claimed self-defense himself. Would the NRA have backed Mr. Martin in that instance?
As Mr. Martin's life was in danger and he would have been correct in claiming self-defense instead of being killed cold blooded like he was.
and forget about all current gun laws, and the Brady bill. Those don't work, solely because of legal guns. You can rid the streets of guns if all were illegal AND the laws were such that made it possible to know when there are guns on the street.
You can't have one without the other
What is the priority? Safety or worshipping a gun?
All it takes is more security. (and the irony is the clam that guns are for security, yet gun owners do not appear to want more security to be secure).
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)But i think they are going all or nothing for 1st degree. If that is so, and there is no backup,
Do you believe OJ Simson was not guilty on all counts? I do. The jury spoke he might not be found guilty now.
in a civil trial, if that is allowed in Florida( it may not be allowed).
You can't have one without the other
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-154307/Gun-crime-soars-35.html
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)you fear the government for some unknown reason
I fear the bozo with a gun
my 1st amendment rights of free speech are violated if some awipe with a gun kills me
soon the courts will be 8 to 1.
then one won't know what can be achieved if that is the case
(btw-if ZimZim's lawyers know and set up a reversal, well, that is what happened in Iran/Contra.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)watching a basketball game in Toronto in peace would be nice too. One of the people killed in Colorado lost out on both. Was wounded in a gang shoot out in Toronto, then came to the US to see a movie.
not afraid of the government more than anyone else. Liberals have always been skeptical of too much government.
I don't fear people with guns either.
8-1 what? The only way McDonald will be revisited will be to overturn the Slaughterhouse cases, which many liberal supporters of McDonald wanted to see happen (they supported it for that reason). Reversing incorporation on one amendment will cause a chain reaction where the other BofR will lose incorporation. That happens, any state or territory can have official religion, stop requiring warrants, etc. Besides, the history and scholarship is on my side.
They know, the filed the motions and it made the news, that is how I know. Corey had to cough it up and finally did some of it. I don't know what that has to do with Iran/Contra. I do know that DA playing such games tells me that their case is pretty flimsy to take such a risk. Meaning, reading about it made me even more skeptical of the conventional wisdom, and doubt Zimmerman will get a fair trial.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)Seek in the Group that Shall not Be Named and you will find
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I had a thread last week where it was closed outside, and I was told I would be able to redo it here and did.
The irony is this is discussion board. But not everyting is discussed in all places IMHO
krispos42
(49,445 posts)This thread doesn't fit the SoP of the Group, nor is it about internal Group affairs. It would seem that Meta would be the appropriate place for this.
Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host