Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:12 AM
Berserker (3,419 posts)
Concealed carry permit holder fends off 4 attackers
A Buckeye, Arizona man reportedly used his handgun to stop 4 attackers who were beating him with a baseball bat.
Police say that the concealed carry permit holder was in a parking lot near 195th Avenue and Indian School Road when 4 males in their late teens or early twenties approached him and attacked with a baseball bat. After being hit several times in the head and arms, the concealed carry permit holder is said to have drawn and fired his handgun, striking one of the attackers and causing all four of them to flee. Police are seeking the suspects, and the concealed carry permit holder was treated on the scene for minor injuries.
Here we have yet another concealed carry permit holder who was saved by their gun. Had this crime victim not had a gun for self defense, he could have been beaten to death by those 4 attackers and their baseball bat. Luckily, he was armed, and as a result managed to escape with only minor injuries.
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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:18 AM
bowens43 (15,939 posts)
2. Concealed weapons permit holder shoots and kills teen over loud music
45-year-old Michael Dunn, of Satellite Beach, Florida was in Jacksonville for his son's wedding when he and his girlfriend stopped at a convenience store. Dunn waited in the car while his girlfriend went inside. While waiting in the parking lot Dunn asked a group of teens in an SUV next to him to turn their music down.
Dunn and 17-year-old Jordan Davis, who was sitting in the back seat of the SUV, exchanged words. Dunn then pulled out a gun and shot eight or nine times into the SUV.
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Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:30 AM
GreenStormCloud (12,072 posts)
5. CCWers save more lives than we illegally take..
Legal concealed carry saves more innocent lives than it takes.
In Texas the detailed statistics are compiled annually by the Department of Public Safety and published on the internet. It is likely that the Texas experience with Concealed Handgun Licenses would be about the same in other states. The last year for which statistics are published is 2011 for convictions. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm
In 2011 there were 512,625 people who had CHLs. Out of those people there were exactly four (4) murder convictions. Out of the general population there were 553 convictions for murder in its various forms.
So very, very few CHL holders go bad, but some do.
The DPS also publishes an annual Crime in Texas Report. http://www.dps.texas.gov/crimereports/10/citCh3.pdf
From that report, page 15:
Statistics on murder circumstances, victims, and
victim/offender relationships on the next page
include justifiable homicides. Justifiable homicide
is the killing of a felon by a peace officer in the
line of duty or the killing (during the commission
of a felony) of a felon by a private citizen. In
2010, there were 98 justifiable homicides, of
which, 50 were felons killed by private citizens,
and 48 were felons killed by police.
In Texas all homicides, even those that are clearly self-defense, have to go before a grand jury which will rule if the killing was justified or not. So those 50 justified private citizen homicides were ones in which the defender genuinely and legitimately feared for his life. Since most shootings are merely woundings there would be a much larger number of justified woundings in which the defender genuinely feared for his life, but that number is not kept. Obviously there are dozens of cases each year in which a CHL holder uses their gun to save themselves.
Dozens of innocent lives saved versus four innocents killed shows the concealed carry is working in Texas. As already stated, there is no reason to believe that other CCW states have a different experience.
Legal concealed carry saves innocent lives.