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Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:46 PM

Oh LOOK! Continuing the discussion of WalMart and their gun incidents.


It appears we have two more to add to those I've referenced here.

I still have not been able to find anything similar in the frequency of other major retailers.

http://myfox8.com/2012/12/07/attempted-armed-robbery-reported-in-walmart-parking-lot-in-burlington/

BURLINGTON, N.C. — Police say they’re investigating an attempted armed robbery that occurred in the parking lot of a Walmart shopping center in Burlington.

According to police, officers responded shortly after 9:15 p.m. to the parking lot of the Walmart on Garden Road.

Police say the victim told them he was changing a flat tire on his car when the suspect attempted to rob him with a handgun. The victim said he was able to run away from the suspect by taking cover behind another vehicle.


and this one:
http://www.connectmidmissouri.com/news/story.aspx?id=833555#.UMI2Adf_18M

UPDATE: The vehicle is a white 2002 Ford Taurus with Missouri registration. The family notified the officer with the correction.


Columbia police are searching for a suspect in an armed robbery that began in the West Broadway Wal-Mart parking lot at about 10:24 p.m. Tuesday.

The victim gave the suspect a ride from the Wal-Mart Super Center. Once the victim started to drive, the suspect pulled out a handgun and demanded the victim drive to the victim’s bank to withdraw money.

Sometime during the ride to the bank, the suspect struck the victim on the head and facial area with the handgun, causing minor injuries.

The victim drove to his bank on Broadway and withdrew money. The suspect took the victim's vehicles, keys, wallet and electronics. The victim then exited the vehicle and ran to the police department for assistance.

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Reply Oh LOOK! Continuing the discussion of WalMart and their gun incidents. (Original post)
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 OP
Glassunion Dec 2012 #1
slackmaster Dec 2012 #2
Clames Dec 2012 #3
Straw Man Dec 2012 #4
Glassunion Dec 2012 #6
Clames Dec 2012 #7
ileus Dec 2012 #5
YllwFvr Dec 2012 #42
rrneck Dec 2012 #8
GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #9
PavePusher Dec 2012 #10
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #13
ileus Dec 2012 #11
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #12
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #14
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #15
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #16
Glassunion Dec 2012 #19
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #25
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #28
Clames Dec 2012 #29
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #31
gejohnston Dec 2012 #36
Clames Dec 2012 #39
Jenoch Dec 2012 #47
KWorth Dec 2012 #17
Glassunion Dec 2012 #20
KWorth Dec 2012 #21
Glassunion Dec 2012 #22
KWorth Dec 2012 #23
Glassunion Dec 2012 #24
KWorth Dec 2012 #26
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #32
Glassunion Dec 2012 #18
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #33
gejohnston Dec 2012 #35
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #41
Straw Man Dec 2012 #44
tularetom Dec 2012 #27
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #30
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #34
gejohnston Dec 2012 #37
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #38
Dog Gone at Penigma Dec 2012 #45
Straw Man Dec 2012 #46
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #40
pop topcan Dec 2012 #43
Straw Man Dec 2012 #48

Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 01:57 PM

1. Oh man!

"I still have not been able to find anything similar in the frequency of other major retailers." - There are none.

What major retailer occupies a landmass over 4x the size of Manhattan?
Has a daily population 4x the population of all 5 boroughs of NYC combined?

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:09 PM

2. Obese smokers breast-feeding their children while carrying concealed weapons

 

Oh, the humanity.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 02:39 PM

3. Oh look! Another example where someone can't figure out...

 

...the difference between correlation and causation.

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Response to Clames (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:11 PM

4. Or the difference between ...

Oh look! Another example where someone can't figure out...

...the difference between correlation and causation.

... stores and parking lots.

The OP seems to suggest that the fact that Wal-Mart stores sell guns (well, not all of them do, but I digress) somehow attracts armed robbers to their parking lots. He/she has yet to explain the causal chain whereby this occurs.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:30 PM

6. The same way that NY state considers a firearm to be loaded

if the firearm and bullets are located within the same zipcode.

Because firearms are sold in the store, therefore firearm crime happens outside the store.
Because bullets are in a box, a firearm is loaded outside of that box.

It's simple really.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:36 PM

7. The OP had also made an obvious mistake with the assumption...

 

...that even a significant majority of Walmarts sell firearms. Fact is that it isn't even half and those that do sell a fairly limited selection of mostly small caliber rifles and lowend shotguns. Pure comedy that the OP is attempting (desperately) to correlate Walmart with firearm crimes when they can't even be sure that the Walmart in these stories sold firearms in the first place. Gun control extremists showing how their "logic" works

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:14 PM

5. I bought a 100 pack of Federal 223 for my Supervisor.

A box of 40 and 45 for two other co-workers....all with my LCP in my front right pocket. No issues here.

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Response to ileus (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:44 PM

42. domestic terrorist!

Must I really add the sarcasm tag?
In a more serious note I want to ask if the pistol was visible?

Ive heard reports that Wal-Mart has sometimes refused to sell a customer ammo if they have a gun. Even if a mismatched caliber.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 03:50 PM

8. No surprise.

Wall Mart is frequented by THOSE PEOPLE.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 04:43 PM

9. You didn't look very well.

I did a quick Google for Target robberies and found these:

http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2012/11/armed_suspects_tie_up_target_e.html

UNION TOWNSHIP — Two armed robbers made off with Black Friday cash from a Target store after they forced their way into the cash room, tied up three employees and walked out before the rest of the staff realized what happened, police said.

The 40-minute robbery occurred shortly after the day’s sales bonanza had ended and a “full night crew” restocked shelves at the Springfield Avenue store, Union Township Police Lt. Robert Perez said.

The masked suspects had been hiding in the store as they waited for it to close, and they made their move around 11 p.m. by forcing an employee into the cash room at gunpoint, Perez said.

NJ has very strict gun control.


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/arrest-made-in-aurora-target-black-friday-pharmacy-robbery

AURORA, Colo. - Aurora police said they have arrested a suspect in Friday night's armed robbery at a Target pharmacy.

Police said John Pomeroy, 33, is being held on a $50,000 bond for investigation of various felonies including aggravated robbery of controlled substances.

The robbery occurred at 6:30 p.m. Friday in the Aurora Target store just off South Havana Street near East Idaho Place.




http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/video-captures-daring-robbery-at-target-in-peachtr/nQLLb/


Peachtree City police on Thursday released video of a daring holdup earlier this week at a Target store that was closing for the night.

Two suspects, dressed in black, are seen sneaking up to the front of the store around 10 p.m. Tuesday in a crouched position before dashing through the entrance.

As they enter the store on North Peachtree Parkway they encounter a female customer just inside the door, and one of the suspects pulls a gun and motions to her to get to the floor. The woman cowers behind an anti-theft detector before lying flat on her stomach.


I could look for others, but that is enough. Armed robberies are not an exclusive WM special. WM has a huge footprint so naturally more things are going to happen. I recently saw a new item about a woman giving birth in WM. I bet they even have customers with heart attacks who drop dead in WM. When you are that big, stuff happens.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:30 PM

10. Is there a prize for stupid D.U. posts?

 

'Cause this one is in the running....

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:44 PM

13. No, but for some it seems a requirement.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 08:50 PM

11. So only criminals go to wal-mart?

Or are you giving us reasons that we should carry if shopping there?


Or are you giving us reasons to avoid Wal-Mart?


What point are you trying to make?


I saw a brand new (dealer tags on a test drive) Chrysler Pacifica catch on fire and burn right in our WM's parking lot once. Funniest thing you ever seen. After the FD showed up and put out the fire the lady doing the test drive pulled off the magnetic tags and called the dealer to tell them the great news. Needless to say I don't think she bought one.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:29 PM

12. oh look. someone left the police scanner on. get a life.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:48 PM

14. Once it was the Gun Majic Force Field. Now it's a whole retail franchise. Hytek stuff.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:23 AM

15. another one - do they go to a chain of stores like Target anything like as often? No, Walmart

Good place to end for the night, in case they had to go get some more ammo from a retailer that doesn't ask too many questions, just takes your money.

This is the 51st gun fire at Walmart incident, they're now averaging MORE than one a week for 2012.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1D4IVr5nDfE/UMW0UMajfNI/AAAAAAAABCw/KiCy2I568oY/s320/1212+Castle+Rock+a.JPG
Shots fired outside a Colorado Walmart
Scene of shooting at Castle Rock Walmart
Occurred December 7, 2012.

Two men have been arrested for firing a gun multiple times outside the Walmart at Castle Rock, Colorado.

They may be linked to a spree of shots-fired reports around that county, including into a Jehovah's Witness hall.

From an article and news video:

apparently came to an end near the Walmart Friday night. Ten to 15 shots were reported outside the store in Castle Rock with a truck being hit. A special Douglas County crimes unit responded and moments later police stopped a car and arrested Nicholas Deters, 20, of Larkspur and Tyson Olson, 29, of Parker.

Deters and Olson have been charged with illegally firing a weapon, criminal mischief and reckless endangerment. Olson was taken to the Douglas County Detention Facility and Deters is now out on bond.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:16 AM

16. So, if the ammo counter was eliminated, and the shootings continued...

What would you conclude?

Consider: Many Walmarts don't sell munitions. Did you delineate between stores?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:22 AM

19. This particular Walmart does not sell firearms or ammunition. FYI

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:23 AM

25. Thanks. Someone answered.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 01:32 PM

28. When Walmart did not sell guns and ammo, they did not have these problems; but more

than that, this also has a causal relationship to their policy of welcoming open and concealed carry, where based on their incidents with guns, half or more are not lawfully armed. When they were not appealing to armed people as a targeted demographic because they weren't pushing gun sales, they didn't have this problem. It is a change that also tracks with more people carrying, but not in all retail business, it is specific to Walmart.

Walmart has a corporate track record (not every store, or not every store all the time, but overall in their business retail outlets) of bad labor practices - things like having underaged sales people behind the counter selling guns and ammo, not training their sales people, whom they just throw into serving behind the counter on what they are required to do, bad security for their guns and ammo, and a tolerance for weapons in their stores including those who are not doing so legally, because that draws more customers, good or bad.

Store security for theft is policed; store security for other areas that are problematic - notably BOTH in store and in their parking lots, is one of the areas where they stint on spending money. When they have been forced by their local municipalities for example to clean up their problems with parking lot crimes by having their parking lots patrolled, the problems almost completely go away. They fight doing any kind of spending like that tooth and nail.


What you pro-gun guys have not addressed is why Walmart has these problems where other large retailers do not. What you gun guys are missing is that you could agree there is a clearly demonstrable problem, and support pressuring Walmart to clean up their act, but that only works if you are genuinely behind safe gun ownership and only legal gun ownership. Because if you are those two things, then you should find Walmart's track record unacceptable.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:18 PM

29. Wrong. Try again...

 

When Walmart did not sell guns and ammo, they did not have these problems;


Walmart had such issues when they didn't sell firearms. The Walmarts here have had such issues and have NEVER sold firearms or ammunition. Your "research" is horribly lacking...

What you pro-gun guys have not addressed is why Walmart has these problems where other large retailers do not.


Costco has plenty of these problems. The Goodwill stores here have made the news for crimes happening in their parking lots in broad daylight. Apparently you need classes on how to properly use Google search.

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Response to Clames (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:20 AM

31. Baloney

I've been following these incidents, originally starting with just the ones in mens bathrooms.

NO, other stores do NOT have the same problems, do not have the same record of violations of regulations and do not have the same record of law suits over them or lost court cases.

Walmart is a uniquely bad corporate citizen, with a particularly bad record for lying to the public and getting caught lying in court.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:50 AM

36. only because you were looking for them at Wal Mart

I doubt you have been looking for them at Cosco.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #31)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:31 PM

39. Your "research" is baloney.

 

Willful ignorance just because it doesn't fit your agenda? Simple Google search for armed robbery in Costco lots turns up pages of unique results. Costco had never sold firearms or ammo. They only sell gun safes. Simple Google searches turn up armed robberies and shootings in the parking lots of Walmarts that have never sold firearms even when corporate policy allowed. Your "correlation = causation" theory is an old, tired, worn out trick that only seeks to capitalize on emotional rhetoric. Easily seen through.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:56 PM

47. Please proved sources for the facts you claim in this post.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:21 AM

17. I don't get what you think you're trying to prove?

 

Most of the shootings took place outside of the store, in the parking lots. So what? How does that make Walmart responsible?
Bad people do bad things, always have, always will, that doesn't make Walmart responsible.

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Response to KWorth (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:23 AM

20. This particular instance did not take place in their parking lot. But "near" it.

Read the poster's own words.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:25 AM

21. Aha, you're right.

 

I still don't know what this poster thinks she's proven.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:03 AM

23. Thanks for the link.

 

All she's proven is that bad people do bad things no matter where they're at. I'm guessing that she doesn't like Walmart and is trying to make it seem as if Walmart's policy on the carrying of guns on it's property is responsible for, once more, bad people doing bad things.

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Response to KWorth (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:23 AM

24. Me personally, I also dislike Walmart.

I also personally feel that they should not sell firearms. But my feelings have nothing to do with the crime that takes place in and around the Walmart stores.

From what I've personally read, Wally world has an issue following the proper ATF proceedures and paperwork compliance due to a lack of training. They also have an issue in some stores with properly securing them IMO. They treat firearms no differently than golf clubs as far as how they handle the sales. Now this is all my own personal perception from my visits to Walmart. However, I have not been in one that sells firearms in over a year so my perception may be off with how they treat them as a whole.

My preference is to shop at a smaller mom and pop for what I need. For one thing they know what they are doing, they know what they are talking about, and they insure that they get the sale and paperwork done properly. If they scew up, it will hurt their business. I just don't see the same care happening at a Walmart.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #24)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:36 AM

26. The Walmart in my town does keep them properly secured.

 

They're in a locked glass cabinet backed up by iron bars with plenty of cameras watching them, and the counter is manned 24/7, the ammo is kept behind the counter.
Funny thing is that about 5 months ago, they started to carry AR-15's in their stock, some really nice shotguns too.

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Response to KWorth (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:25 AM

32. Incorrect

MOST of the incidents (as defined by over half) have taken place in the store, or begun inside the store.

We are speaking here of specifically gun incidents, not other kinds of problems.

These should not be acceptable problems, the increase is notable, and it is possible to DECREASE the incidence of these problems as well - but Walmart only does what it is forced to do, dragging its feet as much as possible fighting doing anything.

But if you're so sure you know how they compare, make a list of say five other comparable stores, including ones like Target, and then track their gun incidents for the past two years in comparison, and provide a source for your statistics.

I've provided a source that lists every single one at Walmarts we know about (and there are quite easily possibly ones we don't know about, where no gun was fired.

The response 'there's nothing we can do' is nonsense. This is not something we have to accept or should accept.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 10:21 AM

18. Please explain...

So my questions:
"Good place to end for the night, in case they had to go get some more ammo from a retailer that doesn't ask too many questions, just takes your money." - How would they have bought some ammo from this retailer? They don't sell firearms or ammunition in the Castle Rock Co Walmart.
"apparently came to an end near the Walmart Friday night" - How does coming to an end NEAR a Walmart suddenly equal AT a Walmart?

How many of those 51 incidents accured at a Walmart that does not sell firearms or ammunition. Such a leap of logical faith.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:27 AM

33. I don't expect every potential customer to know a specific store inventory.

Given that the overwhelming majority of Walmarts sell guns and ammo, it is reasonable someone would go there looking for those items.

Walmarts that do not sell guns or ammo are much less common, the exception to the rule, to ones that do.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:49 AM

35. which still has nothing to do with the incidents.

What time of day do these happen? Many Wal Marts are open 24 hours, Targets are not. Many Targets are smaller stores that share a building and parking lot with PetSmart and other stores. Wal Mart does not. That is another way your attempt to show Wal Mart's crime problem is "good ole boys gone bad" instead of thugs choosing Wal Mart parking lots for easy prey at 3AM.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #35)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:32 PM

41. Watch out

I've been characterized as a racist for using the word "thug".

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 08:55 PM

44. Wrong again.

Given that the overwhelming majority of Walmarts sell guns and ammo, it is reasonable someone would go there looking for those items.

Walmarts that do not sell guns or ammo are much less common, the exception to the rule, to ones that do.

Um ... no.

Wal-Mart stopped selling guns and ammo at most of its U.S. stores five years ago but is now stocking up on firearms at nearly half of its 3,600 U.S. locations.

-- http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=3c5d8650-5f0d-43bc-a625-a7c9713b5d4b

"Nearly half" is not an "overwhelming majority." Not even close.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 11:58 AM

27. If there was anywhere else near here where I could buy ammunition

I'd never go near MallWart.

It ain't a pleasant shopping experience.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Mon Dec 10, 2012, 02:22 PM

30. None of these shootings have anything to do with Walmart.


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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:43 AM

34. denial is not an argument

They have everything to do with Walmart sales policies, their failed history of regulation compliance, and their lack of security and targeting of the people involved as their customers.

You make no argument, you offer no contradictory facts.

The reality is that so long as people - including pro-gun people - opt out of acknowledging there is a problem and being part of the solution, you become part of the problem.

And as part of the problem, what you want when you fail to help with reducing these incidents, loses importance in direct proportion to your unwillingness to solve the problem.

Make no mistake, EVERY poll, no matter who has written the polling questions, indicates people are concerned about the serious failures of our gun culture. If you only inhabit little echo chambers like the gungeon, you are sticking your heads in the proverbial sand and out of touch with the larger population -- including gun owners, and even NRA members.

So I would caution you that blowing this off, or denying the failings of our gun culture, like elections, have consequences.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:58 AM

37. has nothing to do with the gun culture

and everything to do with security and being open 24 hours. As for the polls go, out of the ones I read the questions of, they actually support the status quo, but reported as "supporting more control" by those who do not know current laws. Remember, the most common one is from Frank Luntz.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #34)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 01:30 PM

38. I am not denying anything.

I am pointing out errors in your interpretation of the facts.

The three shootings posted in this thread have nothing to do with Walmart, according to the articles. The shooters were not customers, they were not in Walmart at any time.

> They have everything to do with Walmart sales policies,
> their failed history of regulation compliance,
> and their lack of security and targeting of the people involved as their customers.

If you want to discuss these issues, please do so. However, the links in this thread are not related to any of these issues.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #38)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:25 PM

45. Not true

This is a continuation of a previous thread where most of the incidents have to do with people who were in or about to go in or who had just left Walmart.

One of these says nothing one way or the other about whether or not the person with the gun had been in Walmart. But the parking lot is still their property and the store's responsibility. The issue is in part the tolerance for this kind of behavior from and by people with guns and their choice not to have adequate security or in the case below, not adequately controlling that security.



So, yes the links are absolutely pertinent to the fact that Walmart is seeking a bad gun oriented clientele to sell guns and ammo, or to shop armed in their stores without adequate security monitoring to differentiate between lawful and unlawful people on their premises with guns.

You have not refuted that.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Reply #45)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:53 PM

46. Specious horseshit.

Last edited Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:36 PM - Edit history (1)

So, yes the links are absolutely pertinent to the fact that Walmart is seeking a bad gun oriented clientele to sell guns and ammo, or to shop armed in their stores without adequate security monitoring to differentiate between lawful and unlawful people on their premises with guns.

I'm trying to parse this garbage, and what I'm getting is that you seem to think Wal-Mart is deliberately cultivating a criminal customer base, and should be doing stop-and-frisks in their parking lots. You also seem to think that people who come to a Wal-Mart to buy a gun or ammo are likely to commit an act of gun violence during their visit. Apparently, you believe that this applies equally to Wal-Marts that don't sell the above.

Are you aware that less than half of Wal-Marts sell guns? Please see my post #44 above.

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 02:29 PM

40. Just BAN them all.

Walmart is victimizing society (in more ways than one) so it deserves to be banned.

???

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Tue Dec 11, 2012, 05:49 PM

43. Well, God Damn them to Hell for having parking lots!!! n/t

 

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Response to Dog Gone at Penigma (Original post)

Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:05 PM

48. I want to know why there's so much gun violence ...

.... at convenience stores. It must have something to do with the fact that they sell Slurpees. It attracts the wrong kind of people.

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