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Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:43 PM

 

Democrat vs. Democrat- the NRA's worst nightmare has come true.

this was erronously posted in the general, it was locked there, but with the note that it can be re-posted in the this section. As requested, it is reposted here.
...(with a few cuts/pastes)

"They can't just They can't just vote the NRA's way and assume they won't hear about it."

from Taegan Goddard's Political wire
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/12/02/bloomberg_alters_gun_politics.html
The Sacramento Bee looks at how Rep. Joe Baca (D-CA), a pro-gun lawmaker, was ousted after New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg spent $3.3 million on television and mail attacks against him -- three times the sum Baca and challenger Negrete McLeod (D) raised between them.

"By homing in on a loyal National Rifle Association politician, Bloomberg altered a long-standing element of American politics. Time was, a politician like Baca could cast pro-gun votes, receive NRA support and not worry about an attack from any moneyed interest that promoted gun control. No such group existed, at least not on the order of the NRA."

Said Bloomberg aide Howard Wolfson: "It sends a message: you can lose your seat by voting against prudent gun legislation. Hopefully, members will think twice before taking these votes. They can't just vote the NRA's way and assume they won't hear about it."


Dan Morain: Billionaire Bloomberg knocks out Joe Baca, adds dynamic to gun politics

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/02/5022439/dan-morain-billionaire-bloomberg.html#storylink=cpy


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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:43 PM

1. The NRA spent more than $17 million on this year's campaigns.

 

The NRA spent more than $17 million on this year's campaigns. It failed in its top priority, unseating President Barack Obama, a $12 million effort, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.

The NRA didn't fare well in U.S. Senate races, either, spending six-figure sums in Indiana, Wisconsin, Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Maine, Missouri and Arizona, winning only in Arizona.
It skipped Baca's race, a telling omission. If any candidate warranted NRA support, Baca was that man. In his 20 years in Sacramento and in Washington, Baca rarely if ever wavered from National Rifle Association orthodoxy. There were times when he was the only Democrat who sided with the NRA.
"Joe was a very good friend of the NRA's," recalled Steve Helsley, the NRA's California lobbyist when Baca was in the Legislature.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/02/5022439/dan-morain-billionaire-bloomberg.html#storylink=cpy

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:44 PM

2. The court's rightwing swing is shortly to end. Obama44, Hillary45 and soon a 8 to 1 left court

 

it will take keeping all guns in one's home, to ban all guns in the streets

legal guns now are what stop civilized man from banning illegal guns

We can make America safe, and make malls/restaurants/bars/schools/movie theatres/stadiums safe, by making them all gun free.

Only thing stopping it at this moment is, those legal guns

Let the gun fanciers collect them, let them house their guns at shootiing galleries so they can still use them for sport (like bowlers house their bowling balls in a locker in a bowling alley)
and hunters can use bow and arrow

With NO guns in the street, it is really quite simple to get rid of any illegal one

all it takes is new laws

only thing that stops it is the single #1 biggest lobby group in the world, the NRA
and they are 'sweating bullets" about this.

Finally, there is a great Equalizer.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:02 PM

5. someone will have to sue to get it to the court

the SCOTUS is not going to just act on their own.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:33 PM

12. I believe you are delusional if you think

more laws will get all illegal guns off the street.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:49 PM

17. Just one supreme court ruling will do it. Saying the 2nd applies only to guns in the home

 

to self-protect oneself.

Then any outside gun will be illegal, and they can do something at that point.
Won't be quick, but it will be tidy.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:58 PM

23. that's not how it works

someone with standing will have to take it there. It is harder to win a case restricting a right than one expanding a right or civil liberty.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:08 PM

33. How does that make carry illegal?

Even if SCOTUS held that the 2nd Amendment doesn't protect carry, that doesn't prohibit it. It would require an act of Congress criminalizing carry, which would be very difficult to pass.

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:12 PM

35. ask them when it happens.

 

when there isn't a member of congress who is on the NRAs side, then change will come quick

no one is saying right now

it takes a seed decades to become a majestic redwood

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:34 PM

47. the pro gun rights side is mostly grass roots

the control side is 99 percent astro turf, which is why they can only win with money bombs buying propaganda. That makes Bloomburg no different than Americans for Prosperity.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:45 PM

49. it takes decades for a redwood to be majestic after planting a seed

 

it takes one to make 100
it takes 100 to make 1000
it takes the first dollar to make a million

you really should read a bio of Mike Bloomberg.

He has backed President Obama now twice.

Did you not know that?

His support, along with Colin Powell helped in the building

Like President Obama said, he did not build it alone

See lincoln the movie. Greatest political maneuver movie ever

(and if one says how do we know it is true, it matters little. It sitll is the greates political movie ever.)

(btw, don't see the Brad Pitt new movie, it stinks big time, waste of my dollars) imho

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #49)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:00 PM

53. you are saying money bombs and a few people with a lot of money should be able

to have more influence on elections than the will of the people? Out of those Bloomburg ads, how many were honest? How many were fear mongering and dishonest? Probably all of them. So, billionaire funded disinformation is OK with you if it serves your purpose? That is what you admitted. How does that make Bloomburg different from Grover Norquist and Dick Armey? I'm guessing you are against over turning Citizen's United?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #53)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:06 PM

55. You are against overturning the 2nd.

 

a great scotus shall overturn both

or maybe tell people that the 2nd was for muscats and cannons.
A cannon cannot be concealed in ones pants. Or easily moved into a small bar or sit next to you in a movie theatre.

In a Clint Eastwood movie it said
A winner does what a loser won't

so until the scotus is changed, all that is done must be equal on all side, strawmen set aside.

no advantage playing a gentleman's game when the other side is evil

a winner does what a loser don't

ask Lincoln. It ain't pretty but what he did, what LBJ did, what FDR did, what obama has done is sure worth it.

but it took 100 years from Lincoln to LBJ
it took 50 years from LBJ to Obama
it takes a village as Hillary (45) says.

and it took God 6 days. He didn't do it overnight, did He?

as the cliche goes
the end justify the means

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #55)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:24 PM

57. Muscat is a city in Oman

Overturning McDonald would open the door to overturning other BoR incorporation cases. McDonald overturned a decision that not only said a state can pass any gun law they want, but could also prohibit free speech and assembly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Cruikshank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago#Legal_basis_for_incorporation

Dershowitz is strongly opposed to firearms ownership and the Second Amendment, and supports repealing the amendment, but he vigorously opposes using the judicial system to read it out of the Constitution because it would open the way for further revisions to the Bill of Rights and Constitution by the courts. "Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz#Second_Amendment_and_the_U.S._Constitution


It took god several billion years.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:35 PM

59. I like Dershowitz getting OJ off. Seeming Thomas Jefferson did not believe what he wrote

 

as his own life was lived far different from "all men are created equal."

BTW, how did Thomas Jefferson amass his fortune?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:52 PM

62. AFICT, he inherited some

and died broke. His creditors allowed him to live at Monticello until he died, but evicted everyone after his death. He struggled with the contradictions of his society. That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:12 PM

71. Dershowitz didn't get OJ off

he advised the defense team on how to handle an appeal, which didn't happen. He didn't take part in the trial itself. You are thinking ofRobert Shapiro, Johnny Cochran and Barry Scheck.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:16 AM

84. How are you posting with moveable type press?

Oh wait, the first amendment doesn't apply to just the technology of the 1700's.

(By the way, in 1791, the 20 shot Girandoni Repeating Rifle was seeing use in combat, and later carried by Meriwether Lewis on the Lewis and Clark expedition)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:14 PM

74. I'm sorry...please explain how we are going to get 8 progressives on the Supreme Court.

Be specific.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:04 PM

86. Just like the RW court overturned Roe v Wade ... oh wait.

you overlook one significant point - most gun legislation activity has been on the state level. Why do you think they will start changing their laws?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:46 PM

3. I welcome the others who had posted to repost their responses here too.

 

I don't know how to quote and wouldn't at any rate be presumptious to post someone elses post here as many may not want to enter this area but the choice as always is theirs.

I have posted the 3 posts from the other that i had made here cutting/pasting them from there to here with no edits

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:00 PM

4. How is it Democrat vs Democrat?

since Bloomburg isn't? The only thing this shows is the other side of Citizen's United, and money that buys sleazy propaganda can get gullible people to fall for it. IOW, there is no difference between Bloomburg and Grover Norquest.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:28 PM

9. Sorry, it is well known, Bloomberg was a lifetime liberal democrat from Mass

 

you can deny it because of whatever as Bing Crosby calls it, angle you are playing,
but he yam what he yam as (c) popeye might say

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:35 PM

14. he might be a social liberal

but on economic issues, he as Republican as they come. Just look at his record, including supporting Scott Brown. Just because he is from Mass doesn't make him a liberal.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:48 PM

16. He is supporting ANYONE who is vocal about supporting gun control, to get the Dems to do same

 

He is saying
I got your back if you support my view as a private citizen on a cause near and dear

It is up to the democrats to get his $$$, or which he has vowed to give every last one away before he dies
(but note-his mother lived to 102 I think.)

So it is disengenous to say he backed Scotty, without telling THE REST OF THE STORY.

It is a great strategy.

do unto others what others do unto you so to say
fight $$$ with more $$$
the American way

BTW-Lincoln would be proud.
See the movie.

The prize at the end of the rainbow is worth getting there

and you may not see it immediately

but then, a seed takes decades to grow into a full grown majestic redwood

and I am sure the NRA is sweating ahem (pun intended) bullets though of course they may be like the Knights who said Ni and not see the handwriting on the wall proverbially.

because there is a finite number of $$$ the NRA has from memberships (only 4.3 million, which like the same rating for Rush and Sean is just 1% of the people rounded down)

Ain't it dripping in irony?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:59 PM

24. he backed Scotty over Warren because of Wall Street

that is the rest of the story. Bloomburg is just as right wing as Guilani.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:25 PM

42. you, like anyone else are entitled to YOUR opinion

 

I am sure if she were Caroline McCarthy, you would not be so quick to agree to your own statmeent.

I don't deal in absolutes

I like compromise as that is how Lincoln and LBJ did it

BTW, I am most certainly NOT a fan of Thomas jefferson, never was, and am glad to see this morning while in the tub reading a weeks worth of papers, that there is a new book by a modern historian, telling the truth of the man who wrote the constitution and lied and said all men are created equl

oops not the ones he owned and not women. big fail on Tommy's part, don't you think?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:31 PM

45. McCarthy ran as a Dem

only losing a Republican primary.
During her first two terms as a Democrat, she was still a registered Republican
Here voting record was mostly with the Republicans until recently.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:21 AM

85. My ass he is.

On social issues and immigration he is, sure, but on fiscal issues? No, he is not a liberal democrat. Not even close.

Hell, on the War, he was one of the 'blue dogs' attacking other democrats for pressing for a fixed timeline to exit from Iraq.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #85)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:19 PM

87. politics makes strange bedfellows. If you are looking for absolutes, there are none.

 

except in a bottle of vodka

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:17 PM

6. The title of this thread is patently false.

 

Bloomberg was a Republican and is now an Independent. An egotistical, scumbag 1%'er you support? Very telling indeed.

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Response to Clames (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:31 PM

10. as you know, Mike Bloomberg is a liberal democrat *and the #1 GREEN person in the world) from Mass

 

He has given billions in charity all to liberal causes

so your response is not correct.

You may call him names, it's your right, but you still are not correct on his basic party.

BTW- you do know that solely because of Mike Bloomberg's pac, Angus King won and is caucusing with the dems

Long as there will be a democrat candidate on the side of his issues, he will support the dem.
If not, he will support the candidate that is.
At which point, I would bet there will be a dem on his side.

Ain't that new congresswoman from California something special? Love and Kisses XXOO to her.
(Maybe she can be VP for Hillary.)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:01 PM

25. Liberal Democrats did not support Scott Brown. Bloomberg did.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:04 PM

29. Check your facts...

 

...what few facts you have. Bloomberg is a registered Independent and was a registered Republican before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

A Democrat before seeking elective office, Bloomberg switched his registration in 2001 and ran for mayor as a Republican, winning the election that year and a second term in 2005. Bloomberg left the Republican Party over policy and philosophical disagreements with national party leadership in 2007. In 2008, Bloomberg campaigned to change the city's term limits law and ran for his third term in 2009 as an Independent candidate on the Republican ballot line.


Maybe you should research all his political, social, and fiscal positions. I know, I know, that requires you to actually read and think objectively but it doesn't hurt to try.

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Response to Clames (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:21 PM

40. Don't forget the charity. #1 charitable person in the world.

 

and don't confuse the man himself, with his role as mayor.
sometimes a mayor has conflicts as we all know.

btw, NYC used to have 4 parties in the 60s and 70s. 4 major parties, and major victories wee made by all 4 parties at various times.
Dem/REpub/Liberal/Conservative. All were equal then. It segued into only 2, but the city has its own history

(the other two were NOT considered third parties, as they were as winnable and on par with the others...sometimes one person ran on all 4, sometimes 4 people ran.)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:50 PM

61. You are flailing.

 

Michael Bloomberg the man and mayor is a blowhard elitist who only cares about his money. Oh, and he's the #10 most charitable person in the world behind Gates, Buffet, Soros, and other billionaire philanthropists. Facts are NOT your friend obviously.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:18 PM

7. So a billionaire on the other side of the country did not like a sitting Dem

and the way he votes on a single issue, so he spends over $3 million compared to about $1 million raised by that candidate and his challenger combined...

Is that the model of government we wish to applaud?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:32 PM

11. Yup!!!

 

maybe she will be VP with HIllary45 in 2017-2025.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:51 PM

18. Your worship of the 0.1% is appalling.

We need less manipulative billionaire bucks in politics, not more. Neither the NRA nor Bloomberg should be able to buy an election.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:04 PM

30. I think you overlooked something

I never mentioned gun policy. In this case, a billionaire with no interest in that district essentially bought the election and you are thrilled.
Now I don't know if there is any quid pro quo going on, but I would bet the representative will listen carefully to their distant benefactor. With this technique, I would estimate $250-300 million could buy a controlling influence in the House or Senate, maybe both. I look on that as tyranny rather than cause for celebration.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:10 PM

34. I assume you like Angus King?

 

if the other side plays the game, you gotta play it better

the end result is worth it

Money is not evil
the republicantealibertarians who don't caucus with the dems are

(and only third party on the rare occasions when the 3rd party will caucus with the dems

witness Angus King. Without Bloomberg, there would be no Angus King victory. And he is now one of the 56 Dem votes in the senate.

If the dems side with anti-NRA, they will be financed.

If not, too bad for them, let someone else finance them

Dem vs. Dem, we get better Dems for 2014

And we all want better Dems, don't we?

BTW-see lincoln the movie- see how you play the game. Lincoln did it well

wereas Jefferson it is now proven was a total fraud.
Wrote one thing, lived his life the opposite. And made money to boot.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:19 PM

38. did you violate the TOS?

On November 6, 2012, King won the Senate race with 53% of the vote against Democrat Cynthia Dill and Republican Charlie Summers. The following week, King announced that he would caucus with Senate Democrats, explaining not only that it made more sense to affiliate with the party that has a clear majority, but that he would have been largely excluded from the committee process had he not caucused with a party. King has not ruled out caucusing with the Republicans if they take control of the Senate in 2014/div]

according to the TOS, you are supposed to be supporting Dill. Angus is and independent, like Bernie Sanders. The difference is, the Dems don't run against Sanders making him a defacto Democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_King

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:34 PM

46. actually NO. if you read close around election time, it specificlaly states-

 

for one, I am not from that state and only afterward did I even hear of him sp I had no say in that race whatsoever, did you?

but the rules specificlaly stated before the elections of 2012-

you vote for the democrat, EXCEPT IN RARE INSTANCES WHERE THE DEMOCRAT CANNOT WIN, THEREFORE YOU VOTE FOR THE ONE THAT WILL CAUCUS WITH THEM.


and Bloomberg isn't running for anything.His days of running end in 2014, and I live in NJ
and voted for Jon Corzine but alas, some stupid NJ people decided Chris Christie was better and Corzine lost.

But i voted for Corzine.

Mike Bloomberg backed Barack Obama and Bloomberg got King the victory

Just like Charlie Crist lost and Rubio gpt into office as meek could not win
Next time Charlie is running as a Dem

so what is your point (though I figure I know)

Would you support Caroline McCarthy? Or her opponent?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #46)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:49 PM

50. If the Republicans would have taken the Senate,

Angus would have caucused with them.
I'm not in New York, so I can't support McCarthy or her opponent. Since it is Long Island, here opponent is likely to have the same view on guns as she does, so why would I?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #50)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:57 PM

52. There never was a chance the Dems would lose the senate. That was known from day one

 

except for the faux polls and the losers bad internal polls.

Espeically as Biden is the extra vote

Now it is 56 to 44 plus Biden i think

but so long as we have no retirees, we should hold it
(long as there are no greedy egotistical senators thinking they should get a different job)

We should easily hold in 2014 though may lose a few votes

and Hillary's coattails will cream Jeb and have more in 2016

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:02 PM

54. doesn't matter,

the point is he will join which either party that will serve his purpose.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:15 PM

56. so would anyone. You are dealing in absolutes. That don't exist in real life.

 

Lincoln did what he did and we are better for it
FDR did what he did and we are better for it
LBJ did what he did and we are better for it
(sure all 3 above had foilbles, irrelevant to the bettering of America)

nobody's perfect.

it takes a seed to make a redwood

and in history there are few greats

and in each case, all had dissenters.
Nobody is perfect, but gosh darn it, all are humans, and guess what? No human is perfect, it is impossible for anyone to be perfect

politics makes strange bedfellows tis said. Tis is true.

Remember, you don't have to vote for them if you don't want
That is America

Obama won. And he welcomes Angus King and Bernie Sanders.

and politics is ugly. But we are all grownups and we know that going in.

BTW-you do know Bobby Kennedy, considered a saint to all (even to the other side, as its easy to admire someone who is not here), and I loved the man myself, wiretapped Dr. King, dont' you? Nobody's perfect.
I do wish he waited til 1972 and 1976 to be president (followed in 1980 and 1984 by Dr King who could have been Bobby's VP in 72 and 76, then Teddy in 1988 and 1992, then later JFK Jr in 1996 and 2000, then Caroline in 2004 and 2008, and Barack Obama in 2012 and 2016

But those were just wishes unmade because of (oops, a gun, actually 2 or more).

And I look forward for history in 2016 with Hillary showing that it takes a Clinton to defeat a Bush.


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Response to graham4anything (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:26 PM

58. yes it does have strange bed fellows

Bernie Sanders and Jerry Brown happens to be on mine in this case. I have no idea what Angus King has to do with it.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #58)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 06:36 PM

60. I love Jerry Brown. Guess we have something in common after all

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:30 PM

44. I do not accept

That the end justifies the means, even if I accept the end is good. It is that thinking that gave us the patriot act...

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:54 PM

51. that is another topic, but a good president won't abuse it, so don't vote for Jeb in 2016

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:13 PM

65. PATRIOT act does fit pretty cleanly

into your vision of a utopian police state, though, don't it?

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:17 PM

66. Congress voted for it and keep ratifying its renewal

 

but what i don't understand is the gun people claim they want a gun to be safe

yet Americans aren't suppose to feel safe in a world much different than in the past

but you also have absolute in your definitions of words

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:29 PM

67. I don't trust any politician

with absolute authority, as the old saying about the road to hell...

In 2016 I would write in Cthulhu before voting for a Bush III

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:44 PM

68. So you support the keeping the political fundraising activities of the Koch brothers legal?

And you look to them as a legislative net positive?

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #68)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:56 PM

69. faux argument

 

you have to do with, what is on the table

when its off the table, then you can do something different

seems elementary my dear Watson

It's like asking, who is better?
Tiger Woods or Jack Nicholson
it might slide past til you notice (read it carefully)
ones a golfer
ones an actor
Better in what way?
golf or acting.
(I didn't say Jack Nicklaus).

or is one suppose to lie down, play dead and let the other side just win
in that case, I suppose you think the patriot act and the Koch bros. will just stop?

strawman again.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:36 PM

77. you support millionaires being...

Able to simply reach across the country with a wad of cash and changing races. Bloomberg and Koch... no difference except the issue.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #77)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:43 AM

78. Mayor Bloomberg has started a grass roots but heavily funded to give folks THE REST OF THE STORY

 

If I am drowning, and something or someone saves me, I am greatful for that
there is an old canard about a drowning man that I keep being reminded of lately
(and I am going to do the "Henny here"(in fact I will do an extended Henny as I call it-
where I extend the story way too long to get to the punchline you know is coming way before I get there)

A man works hard all year long and he gets a two week vacation as he is American and doesn't live in France, that is all he gets

He signs up for one of those great tours those tour companies and decides to take a cruise to Alaska, because, well, he wanted to see the old Soviet Union from his ship window like the former governor Ms. Palin had said you can.

And on vactation, he falls off a boat into the water of the deep blue sea and is thrashing about the water and seeing Kate and Leo images and for some reason hearing that Celine Dion song play in his head.

By the way, shout out to the great Eric Braeden who played John Jacob Astor, richest man in the world in that Titanic Movie, only had a few scenes, but the movie made a fortune, and I hope Mr. Braeden (who us older tv fans know, under his real name of Hans Gudegast, was in the Rat Patrol for many years). Go Eric(Hans!)

(or as Paul McCartney might have said in his (c) song Uncle Albert' Hans across the water, water, Hans across the sea) LOL

anyhow where was I...
oh yes

The man is thrashing about and out of nowhere a life jacket appears
the man is now thinking and says, nah, I don't need it
God will save me and let's the life jacket float by

a few minutes later, out of nowhere, a big piece of wood appears and he lets it float by
nah, God will save me

and then a helicopter appears and throws a rope
the man let's it dangle and doesn't grab it

finally, the man drowns

at the gates of heaven, the man is being interviewed and says
I don't get it, I don't get it
I am a good decent person and I believed your honor, that God would save me

and of course the old punchline is
(bada boom! tippany please)

Who do you think tossed you a life jacket, a vest, and sent a helicopter in in the first place
you silly goose.

And I know that my heart will go on blub blub blub blub



When America is drowning in a sea of blood from all the senseless killing and such from a gun
I welcome a lifeline out of the reason for that in the first place
Which is that the NRA wants to stiffle ALL debate from every angle.

and I have learned something important
the NRA is like the republicanlibertarianteapeople who stop at nothing to get people NOT to vote.
making conversations impossible, stiffling talk, having on Fox Faux News a brainwashing method where even the supposed great CEO that ran for President and lost, Mr. Mittens,
actually believed the spin of events Fox lied to because their listeners were never allowed to
hear THE REST OF THE STORY

Fox and Rush and Sean have a method
When the few times a day a democrat or liberal comes on the show, or perhaps gets radio time, and gives the truth out, they are shouted down by Sean and the others.
And a million and one strawmen get thrown out, or they get sidetracked or they get those parallel arguments and such
and after a little while the listeners have no idea what point the person who bravely tried to enter Fox news show, or called in Sean thinking Sean had an open and free mind first made

If I am drowning, I welcome a lifeline and will grab it to get back to my equalibrium

all this other stuff is a diversion

I welcome the man himself Mike Bloomberg to freely do with his money what he wants.
If you look at his charity giving-billions upon billions are given AND almost ALL OF THAT IS GIVEN TO GREEN OR OTHER DEMOCRATIC/LIBERAL CAUSES AND TO HELP THE POOR.

Many things people (mostly the same ones who side with the gun NRA side) deride him for (aka the soda thingy, the attempt to rid Manhattan of cars and put in a concrete beach in the middle of Times Square which he did) are because they know its not the soda thing that worries them. It is what that could lead to.

He is the Great Equalizer and finally there is someone who is putting his OWN money where his mouth is, and is starting a nationwide grassroots campaign (and YES its grass roots, as the money is just the seed, and the people are given a choice, but what they never had before???

They NEVER HAD THE REST OF THE STORY, only the side the NRA SHOWED THE PUBLIC in the NRA funded million dollar suit commercials/ads/soundbytes.

MAYOR MIKE IS INDEED GIVING THE REST OF THE STORY WITH HIS PERSONAL WANTS

and he is not one to be sidetracked by diversions to what he wants.

Unlike say me or a thread on a chat or political board, he remains focused

and he is the GREAT EQUALIZER

And the NRA is proverbially sheeting in their pants sweating proverbial bullets about this.
Because why, they never had soemone in their face giving THE REST OF THE STORY before

everything else on this issue is a diversion

We all know the NRA version of this issue and each and every of the same stale retorts they give(dole) out
Why, they should not even need to fight it
(yet seem to be there 24/7/365 or 366 to respond to any negative gun story out there.)

but the public now finally, in the candidates that shall go against the NRA stooges, will
at least hear (either in speeches, or on tv advertisements) THE REST OF THE STORY

(the irony will be when the republicans, realizing what has been done to them,
frantically themselves try to overturn the Corporate Personhood they so loved at the moment.

Why the Dems took a decade to respond to the REpublicans "drudgeboard" and to rightwing talk I don't know

Glad THE GREAT EQUALIZER is now giving the public THE REST OF THE STORY they never before knew existed.

everything else is just noise. everything. The name calling, the diversions, the going to a different angle(and as Bing Crosby said in White Christmas, "Everybody has an angle"

This is mine.
(c) G4a 2012.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #78)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:34 AM

81. So, yes.

Just say yes.


And enjoy the Republican hell we live in, because for every liberal dollar donated by a rich liberal we have 2 matching from rich conservatives and 5 matching from massive corporations.


And, again, money drowns out democracy.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #78)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 10:39 AM

82. there is no grass roots effort

he bought an election just like the Kochs.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #78)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 11:07 AM

83. Grass roots? You have to be fucking kidding yourself

A billionaire writes a check to buy and election and you call it "Grass roots"?

Do you even understand what that means?

But I may be wrong here. Maybe it is grass roots in the true sense of the word?

How much did you personally contribute to his "Grass Roots" efforts? To the candidate he bought a seat for? To his MAIG group? How many "grass roots" checks have you or your like minded brethren written?

Or just another "Keyboard Activist" whoopin it up over somebody else's money?

We have all noticed the fact that you haven't answered multiple comments and questions about the felony rate among the Mayors Against Illegal Guns either. A little too dissonant for you?

Yeah, I'm sure the NRA is shaking in its boots over a guy that got 2 Dems to fight over the same seat and at the votes and power you can bring to the table.

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Response to DonP (Reply #83)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:35 PM

88. the dems have gotten +2 on the votes against the NRA because of the victory

 

+1 plus
-1 negative

and that much closer to defeating the NRA

it's like baseball
for every game won by a team, it is one less loss
a double gain.

step by step
inch by inch
the dominoes all fall down, one at a time

Imagine if say Bloomy does this in EVERY district in 2014 and 2016?

why the dems who are against the nra would then be all vs. nothing on the other side

Dems would win every single seat

and it would only be petty cash to him

Remember-you used to be able to smoke inside a building, restaurant or bar in Manhattan
now you can not stand outside that building and smoke within distance of people entering or leaving either
And millions and millions have quit, thereby saving those people tens of thousands and more in health care costs

I salute the wellness programs initiated by Mayor Mike.

He is saving alot of poor people and middle class alot of money that way

And smoking BTW is still legal

But society itself changed.

Same here. The straw that broke the camel's back (that is a pun because of a brand(c) of cigarettes.

But it's like Jenga(c) the game.
Sure a piece here, a piece there and the building stands

but after a while, the building falls.

the opposite of the majestic redwood taking decades to bloom
but the same thing

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #88)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:00 PM

97. You have a terrible grasp of the use of similes and metaphors

You keep recycling the same crappy metaphors one of our former posters did. Hmmmm?

Pssst, Jenga isn't an enumerated constitutional right, neither is smoking.

You also didn't answer the questions.

1. What are you personally doing, besides cheering online, to support your beliefs? How many checks have you sent, how many letters to the editor, petitions circulated etc.? It's what a large number of the citizenry do that defines a grass roots movement, not how big a check somebody writes.

2. The number of felons involved in MAIG doesn't bother you?

3. Buying a seat a la the Koch brothers doesn't bother you in the least, as long as it agrees with your POV? End justifies the means eh? So Scott Walker is supported bya strong grass roots movement, huh? Whould'a thought?

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Response to DonP (Reply #97)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:13 PM

99. Did the constitution allow Bobby Kennedy to wiretap Dr. Martin Luther King Jr?

 

Did the constitution specifically allow Thomas Jefferson to make babies with a slave he owned and profited from?

Are you a fan of Bobby Kennedy?

What someone is personally doing is none of my business or yours.
I wouldn't volunteer that info anyhow

Charity is from the heart.

Again, you look at the balance sheet

sure, LBJ might have had a negative
But his positives far outweighed a negative he might have had

same with the other greats

and I am sure there is someone out there that didn't like Lincoln, I would assume.
Though I don't know anyone personally.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #99)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:20 PM

102. Just so you can say you do,

I will never forgive Lincoln for the way he treated MD during the war. His abrogation of the Constitution, and every subsequent administration's failure to apologize for it, leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth. It's as though my sister was beaten half to death in broad daylight, and the entire country, including the police and judges, shrugged and said, "well she IS a mouthy chick...she probably deserved it."

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #99)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:00 PM

106. So the correct answer is ... you're doing nothing but whining online.

Counting on your imaginary friends to do all the heavy lifting for you on the subject?

Good job, but pretty typical of the gun control element. Online warriors that never quie get around to doing anything in the real world.

Keep on doing what you've been doing. You can look forward to another decade of "success" in the courts too. Don't worry though, it only took 74 years between granting cert on 2nd amendment cases. If it is ever amended you'll never see it happen.

Or will Bloomie just buy himself some new judges?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:20 PM

8. The NRA IS a nightmare, so they deserve all the nightmares they get!

 

Fuck 'em.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:33 PM

13. +1 zillion, billion, million and 45.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:39 PM

15. You're right!

A 1% billionaire asshole Democrat against 99% Democrats.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:52 PM

19. the NRA is the 1.5 %, as they have 4.3 million members out of 320 million americans

 

rounded down, it is the NRA that is the 1%
the non-NRA members are the 99%

irony is delicious

(and nothing you say will sway my view against Citizen Bloomberg.

If money were evil, then everyone who watches the NFL on their cable tv would be evil, wouldn't they? Just proves it not to be true.
As it took money to buy a tv and pay a cable bill.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:56 PM

22. there are 80 million gun owners

and 28,000 members of the Brady Campaign
there are less than 300 members of MAIG, including convicted felons.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:01 PM

26. A complete rethinking shall be done. The above soundbyte is 1980s soundbytes

 

sounds good til you parse it a bit

and of course, the Brady don't work because of LEGAL guns

like the ones used in most of the mega shootings in the USA
all of which can be avoided with the beforementioned groovy idea

get rid of guns from the street, and it would not happen to have a mass shooting anywhere except in ones own home

(and I myself would require a sign on each homeowners door announcing there is a gun in the house, so the person would have a choice to enter or not enter.

I know I like to know that before going somewhere.

as Elvis Costello sang (c) "accidents will happen"

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:21 PM

39. what does that have to do with Brady Campaign

FKA Handgun Control Incorporated?
I pointed out that the gun control lobby is less than one percent of the NRA alone, not counting SAF, etc or non members who write their congressman and send money.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:02 PM

27. Which is circa 80X the membership of the Brady Campaign.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:13 PM

36. Why are you so afraid of the NRA?

You use those three letters like some evil talisman.

The membership of the NRA is largely made up of 99%ers who should be Democrats. Explain why after you demand stats and try to claim it's an exclusive rich man's club.

Why does the NRA frighten you so much? Why does that lobbying organization have so much power?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 07:08 PM

63. the 1% fallacy

Out of every 100 men, ten shouldn't even be there,
Eighty are just targets,
Nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle.
Ah, but the one, One is a warrior,
And he will bring the others back.
- Heraclitus

What makes the term 1% derogatory? Is it the number? Let's just say that the number of NRA members is really closer to a bit over 3 million and that NRA membership is 1% of the population. I can assure you that the rank file NRA members are not the 1% which the Occupy movement talks about. There's not a brush that broad to call that claim anything but a lie.


But who said money is evil? Money isn't evil.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:53 PM

20. are you sure that is the only reason?

Voted NO on terminating the Home Affordable mortgage Program. (Mar 2011)
Voted YES on $192B additional anti-recession stimulus spending. (Jul 2009)
Voted YES on modifying bankruptcy rules to avoid mortgage foreclosures. (Mar 2009)
Voted YES on additional $825 billion for economic recovery package. (Jan 2009)
Voted YES on monitoring TARP funds to ensure more mortgage relief. (Jan 2009)
Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
Voted YES on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)
Voted YES on defining "energy emergency" on federal gas prices. (Jun 2008)
Voted YES on regulating the subprime mortgage industry. (Nov 2007)
Voted YES on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004


http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Joe_Baca.htm

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:06 PM

31. irrelevant, as he is gone from the house, and I don't hear anyone crying but his bank account

 

the votes of course are never transparent

most everyone who isn't a freak or extremist will vote 90% of the time with their party

It is the couple of votes that are different that need to be seen

Like when someone buys on ebay, you look at the big dealer and see 100,000 transactoins
and 1000 negatives
Most smart people look at the 1000 negatives, not the 99,000 positives

to see if there is some sort of patern of bad seller

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:23 PM

41. he is 100 percent for Wall Street and 100 percent against OWS

and you don't have a problem with that?

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 04:55 PM

21. BTW, once the Dems know someone has their back, it will be 100% of the dems

 

same as the Dems want better health care
and Roe V. Wade to be legal
and all the other democratic causes

the only thing stopping dems now is of course they are scared of the NRA financing their opponent.

With the Great Equalizer on the side of all dems, well, it goes without saying- they no longer need be scared of the NRA

The NRA will fade like the BurgerMeisterMeisterBurger did in the cartoon Santa Claus is coming to town.
It won't be instant, but it will be

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:03 PM

28. umm no

BTW, was that during the primary, or was it during the general election? Might want to check that.
BTW, what exactly were in those Bloomburg ads?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:06 PM

32. Bloomberg tried to stab Liz Warren in the back. You don't talk about *that*, do you?

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/27/nyregion/bloomberg-gives-support-to-senator-scott-brown.html

Bloomberg Endorses Republican in Heated Massachusetts Senate Race
By DAVID W. CHEN
Published: July 26, 2012

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, one of the most outspoken defenders of Wall Street, has sided against one of the financial industry’s biggest critics in a hotly contested Senate race in his native Massachusetts.

Mr. Bloomberg has agreed to host a fund-raiser at his Upper East Side town house for the re-election campaign of Senator Scott P. Brown, a Republican, who is being challenged by a fiery consumer advocate, Elizabeth Warren, a Democrat who is also a professor at Harvard Law School...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:18 PM

37. Support anti-NRA get his support. First one to say anti-NRA gets the bucks.

 

those that don't, won't get backing(or those that wait til the other guy does, miss out.

One per customer as the slogan goes

Next time, she may earn his $$$ and support. Then you won't complain will you?
(of course not as its a strawman you are tossing into the drink)

It really is quite simple to comprehend

The point is, he is guiding the dems to learn they can go against the NRA

(now I know you are sending ammunition against him, but it is all irreelvant.)

If I won the powerball this week, and had 580 million
all I would want is about 4 millinon after taxes, and another 12 for family
then I might just give the rest of it to his pac.
So will others.

the NRA is a finite number

Hey, remember when 80% of the country smoked
It took decades but now most don't (or died)

It's the nra's biggest nightmare. Dem Vs. Dem, the winner being the one that is anti-NRA

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:26 PM

43. you don't get it

Bloomburg and the Republicans are about divide and conquer with wedge issues. That is why Republicans bother to use the three Gs to begin with.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #43)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:42 PM

48. a majestic redwood takes decades after one plants a seed to be a majestic redwood

 


the nra itself is what makes a wedge issue.Theya re the #1 biggest vocal support group in the world, far surpassing IMHO anyone else

they can make or break any candidate they choose

that they took their eye off the prize in California is a big fail on their part

good for us
bad for them

are you saying-we must let the nra run rampant as a super pac or else?
that is imho a good strawman

the answer my friend is blowing in the wind (c) as Dylan wrote and sang
and when a mighty wind blows, straw men are in peril as the wind might blow them out of Kansas to the land of Oz(c) Baum.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:03 PM

70. How is it the NRA's worst nightmare?

All CALGUNS has to do is run ads about Bloomburg recipients "being bought off by out of state moneyed interests to impose their will on you"
If any of Bloomie's ads used MAIG name, all CALGUNS, NRA, SAF, or someone else run an ad showing MAIG members that are now convicted felons, which is 11 percent of MAIG membership.

Ultimately, it is going to be bad for the Democratic Party just as the Tea Party is destroying the Republican Party from within.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #70)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:27 PM

72. yes.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 09:28 PM

73. It's refreshing to find someone open and honest...

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:17 PM

75. OMG...it's like the spontaneous protests by Unions & Workers- Bob Costas on tv just did anti-Gun

 

change

it's happening faster than anyone expected

the different forces converging in what is seemingly unrelated force but is merging

Bob Freakin' Costas on nationwide tv during of all things A FOOTBALL GAME

America's sport. Nationwide tv.

Anti-Freakin' Gun

WAY TO GO BOB!!!!

If you build it they will come

and they are from all angles

each one a cornerstone

and all because of President Barack Obama

The peaceful revolution won in 2008 is continuing

I kept saying wait til 2013 and watch

And its only just barely Dec. 2012 and piece by piece the same old same old is being torn down
and the beautiful mosiac puzzle is appearing before our very eyes

if this were the 60s, I would be again singing
This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius/Let the sun shine in
(c) McDermott/Ragni
hell, I am singing it now anyhow(though Marilyn McCoo has a better voice than me)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #75)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:22 PM

76. he was born in NYC,

and have heard rants like that since the 1970s.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:46 AM

79. Your continuing worship of right wing politicians has reached a new low.

Praising a rich right winger for ousting a Democrat across the country from him?

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #79)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:57 AM

80. He elected a better Democrat and he elected Angus King. The Great Equalizer

 

but keep calling him names.

He don't mind.

A 100% unbiased look at his life and record shows he is a liberal democrat from Mass.

Look at HIS charity- that is HIS money. Not anyone elses but HIS.

and look who he personally give his charity too

each and almost every one are liberal causes, and help the poor.

While people on political boards yap about the middle class,(of which I am a member of the middle class) it is the poor that need the most help just to enter the middle class.

Look at his charity, then call him names.

He is by far the #1 environmentalist out there, even much more than hero Al Gore is.
I don't know what amount Al Gore gives, but I do know the amounts Mike Bloomberg has given for decades now.
Did you know it?

But he is used to it. Meek Mayor Mike is a strong man in that name calling is bullying.
But he is standing up to the bullies.

And he is not running for anything.

He is in a different sense, acting like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. himself.
He is putting himself in front of the people leading a populist revolt agianst the NRA
(NO I am not comparing him to Dr. King except in an abstract way-

that he is talking the talk and walking the walk that Dr. King spoke about

and he backed Barack Obama twice, lest you forget, and between him and Mr. Powell, I am sure that helped pad the landslide lead he got, and for all we know got us some house seats
and got us at least ONE senate seat- Angus King in Maine, solely because of his support.

but keep calling him names.
your #1 right is speaking your mind
by 1st amendment right (and #1 comes before #2 on the hit parade (super hit 1 hit 1 hit 1 reverb style)

I welcome your opposing views and never wish to censor or stop from hearing them.

And its a wonderful morning here in New Jersey, about 15 minutes I head to the gym, and you know what- it's going to be 60 degrees today.

and Joe Willie Namath took a lot of hits too. Yet Super Bowl 3 is the one and only Super Bowl all of the world remembers. Others come and go, but Joe Willie Namath endures in history forever.

So does Lincon-FDR-LBJ-Carter-and Barack Obama. The five best.

Mike Bloomberg is not looking for love, he is looking to win and be the Great Equalizer against the 1%er lobby group THE NRA

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #80)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 02:35 PM

89. I just have to say

You are quite smitten with the great personalities. Cults of personality do nothing for the people. Remember the proletariat is where the strength of the Democratic Party draws its strength, not from opportunistic 1%ers that pander to the people then retire to the back rooms with the monied interests to do what they want.

I recommend you study a little more on these people you keep touting as paragons of equity and social virtue. As for the ends justify the means, what good is done to change the world if we merely become like our foes across the aisle.
Bloomberg is in it for Mike. His Hubris and arrogance are appalling and what he did to OWS and his support of the bankers makes him the basest of class enemies.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #89)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:29 PM

90. the thingy with OWS was the Mayor of NY. You are confusing Mike the Man with the mayor

 

two separate things. One is a job with rules applied.

One is the man himself.

There are 4 different Mike's.

You are talking about the mayor

The thingy here is- the Mayor's term ends shortly, and he is for Christine Quinn, to make her the first female and first Gay or should I say one who is Gay and public about it mayor.
She is a liberal as liberal as one can get.

The republican will be someone else, most likely either Peter King or Police Commish Ray Kelly

That should say something about Mike the man as to who he is picking.

Yes, the greats are great.
I love Dr. King and LBJ and FDR and Lincoln and John V. Lindsay

btw-JVL back in the 60s gave unions everything they wanted and he personally helped defuse tensions when all other cities burned after Dr. King died.
But history has been spun to make him not so popular.

So of course those after him act a bit different as well, the people speak and their opinions matter to a Mayor.

And anti-rich is an ism IMHO. Same as the other. To lump anyone together just because they are rich is a stereotype in my humble opinion.

Same as you can't lump doc's together.
We have great ones, then there are total frauds like Wakefield. To make him the model for all is a stereotype.

Mike sees that he as Mayor can't initiate city wide health care for all, but his wellness programs and ideas in itself at least save people thousands in future hospital bills.

Aboslutes would mean that, if one is honest, one did not approve much of either Kennedy

Because well, Bobby as AG (a position the President controls, right?) wiretapped Dr. King and renewed the wiretap on him.
That means, according to those that don't like the patriot act, that that was a direct crime against the constitution.
That is a fact. verified.

(no, you don't have to answer, and your answer is fine by me. You are not required to like the Kennedys or not like them. I don't mind any answer. AFter all we are on a discussion board.
But let's see some consistency here.


And Jefferson is among the biggest personalities there ever was.
No, I do not admire him.
Nor his excuses.

And Lee Atwater was hit with a mega illness very young, and atoned at that point, IMHO so that Lee Atwater could get into heaven by apologizing. I don't know if that cut the mustard or not.So apologies sometimes are just an excuse to get redemption.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #90)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:39 PM

91. Would you please twist...

er, explain this



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Response to sarisataka (Reply #91)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:52 PM

94. this topic is about the NRA and Guns. Why are you diverting it?

 

after 9-11, people not wanting to rebuild kept an ugly hole in the ground for a decade.
it could have been rebuilt in a few months

there comes a point when condemmed property needs to be removed and the area revitalized.

of course, after Katrina, the residents who were black were taken by gunpoint thrown on a plane and shifted 1200 miles to the north.

One would assume the residents have insurance and will all rebuild
But first they have to clear the land as it breeds disease and mold and mildew

the sooner the foundation is paved, the sooner a new home is built and the same people have a house.

Even Jimmy Carter could not rebuild this land until its made safe to rebuild on.

but what does this have to with this thread? ZIPPO

take it to a different thread and I will further comment on it there. not here.

This one is about the soon to be nonexistent democrat who votes with the nra

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #94)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:03 PM

98. You are the one who put forth Bloomberg as the counter to the NRA

and insist he is a completely altruistic 100% unquestionably trustworthy person. Yet he shuts down and independent relief center, by force- counter to your claims that he has no control over the NYPD. Or are these volunteers part of the mold and mildew?
We should just accept that he has our best interest at heart when he inserts himself into an election he has no stake in and spends over 300% the combined total of the actual candidates.
As long as it is about guns we can ignore the rest of his character?

But if you wish to discuss it in a different thread, we can go here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021921107
I'll wait.

the soon to be nonexistent democrat who votes with the nra

is he going to be executed?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #98)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:19 PM

101. Where in the world would you come up with that analogy?I guess it takes a gun lover to distort

 

I guess it takes a pro-gun person to think nasty thoughts and distort the peaceful revolution we won in 2008 and ratified in 2012

This topic is on voting out bad dems.
Voting out bad dems
get it
At the election booth

Like I said-we won the PEACEFUL revolution without one gun needed in 2008
And we continued the revolution without one gun in 2012

but I guess it takes a gun lover to distort a peaceful revolution.

BTW-it is the rightwing extremists like the legal gun owner in Colorado, a carry all state
that tried to get rid of a democrat congresswoman and a democratic judge who died.

And YES, we all have a stake in each election
being that stupid states with no caring of where there guns go, bring them to NYC and use them here where they shouldn't be used.
So of course we all have a stake

(I gotta laugh-HARDY HAR HAR HAR- that those preach the constitution then whine about a state. That is ironic)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #101)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:05 PM

104. I pulled the analogy from your reply,

it seemed you were speaking metaphorically as you never did explain why he is justified in shutting down an aid station not approved by TPB.

I wouldn't call 2008 a revolution, more like waking from a nightmare. I think it was more about failed economic and foreign policies with the dismantling of social support networks than a sweeping mandate for GC; at least that is why I voted for Obama.

I though our elected officials are supposed to support their constituency, not march to the tune of distant elitists and moneyed interests- did I miss something?

The only State whining I see is your reference to 'stupid states'. Some people are not smart enough to vote correctly so outsiders must take them by the hand (or sound bite) and shown the correct way to think?

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #104)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:43 PM

108. Yes, always has been that way. More so in the 24/7/365 national cable news media

 

The days of each state is in its own cocoon are long gone

and well, it goes without saying 9-11 was a NYC event and a DC event and National event

But I see it national politics as a good thing
The coordinated delegating when the President can't be doing some things
Handing off to Jerry Brown an unofficial assignment to hit them from the West Coast
A lateral to Deval in Mass, A pass to Andrew in NY, Cory in Newark
Charlie in Florida

I am sure 1/2 the things you hear from Bernie Sanders and Dennis are coordinated too.

Just like repubs do it

There are no local politics anymore, or very rarely.
Chris Christie during Sandy was local, with his eye on national
When was it not that way?

Back before Fox.

This money soundbyte is just the new word of the day



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Response to graham4anything (Reply #90)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:44 PM

92. I merely suggest ..

That Bloomberg is a fascist(literal meaning) and a IMHO a Megalomaniac. He has his own personal army and intelligence unit, working across city and state borders, violating the Constitution and numerous federal firearms laws, but its OK cuz he is doing it to save us? Yeah, I think I will pass on that kind of help.

There is a fifth Mike, and that is the one graham4anything has created in his mind, an altruistic champion of the people, I posit that is a completely false ID.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #92)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:57 PM

96. I welcome your opinion. That is what a discussion of issues should be. Keep them coming.

 

btw- the NYPD is an entity in their own and has been for decades.

forget the official stuff, it is what it is.

and no one can stop them, though some have cleaned it up like Frank Serpico and Dave Toma

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #96)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 05:07 PM

105. David Toma was in Newark, NJ

not NYC

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #105)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:26 PM

107. Yeah. You are correct.

 

Met him in NYC with Tony Musante back then.
Great TV show (Toma about David Toma),but Tony didn't want Broadway more than TV I guess and it segued into Baretta w/Robert Blake ironically enough.
(BTW I would have voted Not guilty if I were juror #8 on the Blake jury)

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #93)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 03:55 PM

95. send a letter to the mayor. In 2014 it will be Christine Quinn, democrat.

 

the mayors have rules and regs

a person has a day job. That is mayor
but their life is 24 hours.

and sometimes it's like a person who pulls the lever of a death penalty state

he might be the biggest non-death penalty person alive

but he does his job, because he is paid to do it

same with a mayor

nothing special, just an average joe

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #95)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:18 PM

100. Really?

So why exactly would an anti death penalty individual be on the other end of that lever.
Michael Bloomberg spent an INSANE amount of money to get and then keep the job of Kappo..I'm sorry I meant Mayor of New York.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #100)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 04:25 PM

103. Money by side 2, to offset side A, means THE PEOPLE DECIDE, as it makes things EQUAL

 

A job is a job. Why wouldn't he/she? Most people work at jobs they don't care for personally
it is just a paycheck

and Mayor Mike spent billions free of charge to charity.
He has also prodded other billionaires to do the same, to leave it here before they go
as you can't take it with you

I love George Soros. Now you have to admit you cannot think anything bad about him, right?
He is also rich. And also a grass roots person.

Money cannot buy love nor races.
But what it can do is help equalize things so people take a hard look at BOTH people.

which is the rest of the story.

in the end it makes both sides equal, thereby taking money OUT of the equation.

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