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Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:28 AM

The Fallacy of "Criminals Get Guns from Other Criminals"

via The Four Major Ways Criminals Get Guns

First we need to identify the ways in which they currently do come into possession of weapons. We'll eliminate one common fallacy right away, that criminals get guns from other criminals. This may be true as far as it goes, but it doesn't help us in our analysis. We're interested in the original source of guns that are used in crime. If, for example, a gun is stolen during a burglary and passed from criminal to criminal before being used in a murder, that gun came from "Theft," which is one of our main categories.

Cross posted at Mikeb302000

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Reply The Fallacy of "Criminals Get Guns from Other Criminals" (Original post)
mikeb302000 Dec 2012 OP
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #1
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #2
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #3
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #4
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #5
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #8
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #9
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #10
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #11
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #14
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #19
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #20
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #21
DonP Dec 2012 #6
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #7
rrneck Dec 2012 #12
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #13
rrneck Dec 2012 #16
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #17
rrneck Dec 2012 #18
mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #24
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #27
rrneck Dec 2012 #31
Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #39
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #15
mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #25
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #32
aikoaiko Dec 2012 #34
Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #36
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #37
mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #23
Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #38
Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #40
mikeb302000 Dec 2012 #22
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #30
AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #26
rl6214 Dec 2012 #29
friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #35
rl6214 Dec 2012 #28
Scuba Dec 2012 #33

Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 08:47 AM

1. both links go straight to your blog. sorry.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 12:07 PM

2. So?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 12:11 PM

3. sorry, I don't traffic his blog. feel free. If the Admin ever see fit to place a link to his blog

on the home page - I will rethink this position - until then, no thanks.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:29 PM

4. Really? If that's your criteria...

Your scope will always be limited.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:40 PM

5. Do you REALLY think I ONLY go to places on the net that are listed on DU's Home Page?

good lord

but, Yeah. Mikey's Blog - You Can Have It.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:48 PM

8. Do you own a gun?

That's an important benchmark to establish, especially in this discussion.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:58 PM

9. do you subscribe to this group?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:03 PM

10. I'm sorry. Is that a prerequisite?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:18 PM

11. That is my answer to your question to me.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:57 PM

14. I think anyone, despite gun-ownership or not...

...can post here. However, given your alert, you must feel differently?

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 04:31 PM

19. alert? not me. I haven't alerted since Januuary.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #19)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:05 PM

20. I was on the jury...

If YOU didn't send the "I have the vapors" alert, then someone did within a minute of your initial response to the op.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:13 PM

21. well, it wasn't me. I don't get the vapors.

I give them.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:42 PM

6. He runs a blog for profit

He never posts his opinions on DU and you have to go to his Blog to get any information. Each time somebody does, it's a hit that he gets paid for.

I don't know why Skinner and Earl G. choose to let this guy basically advertise on DU, but it's their sandbox.

He also has about 4 separate personalities he uses for different blogs.

Not using his trick to give him blog hits will not limit my, nor anyone else's world view.

But again, feel free to click away and make "Mike B", Jason, "Odinn" et. al. happy and profitable.

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Response to DonP (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 01:45 PM

7. God forbid anyone make money....

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:24 PM

12. There's nothing wrong with making money

but this guys posts are an obvious come on without contributing to DU. He's feeding off DUs membership for profit, and he's using the most scurrilous content he can think of to do it.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:54 PM

13. I've been here a spell...

..and I cannot disparage members who, for whatever reason, cannot pony-up.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:14 PM

16. I'm not talking about paying for a star.

You pay for a star because you don't want to pay by looking at ads. But everybody pays. Mike should contribute intellectually and not spam the board with canned propoganda for profit.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:35 PM

17. They DID contribute with a point of view...

...that is different from yours.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:39 PM

18. It's spam for profit.

This is a good market for that kind of spam. Pro gun extremists won't get much of a click through rate.

He can have all the opinions he wants, but he's feeding off the site. Its just (amateur) disaster capitalism.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:52 AM

24. "without contributing to DU"

You mean like you do with all your positive contributions to the discussions?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:31 AM

27. You aren't even using the term 'Crossposted' correctly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossposting

You aren't crossposting. You are posting incomplete bait here, to draw traffic to your blog. If you were crossposting, the 'meat' of your point would be in both places.

Why the mods let you get away with this I have no idea.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:36 AM

31. I post my opinions here

rather than using inflammatory traders to draw traffic. And I don't try to see how many links I can scatter around on a high traffic site.

I have a journal here if you're curious.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:28 PM

39. How do you make a profit?

I'm not seeing ads on your blog. Am I missing something?

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Response to DonP (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 03:01 PM

15. There are ways to torpedo his scam

auto clickers come to mind.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:53 AM

25. "torpodo his scam"

The admin folks must surely approve of that remark, being biased gun nuts themselves who hate dissenting voices.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:44 AM

32. oh. good lord. face/palm

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:38 PM

34. Oh Mike. You've done jumped the shark with extremism...


...epically.

mikeb302000
25. "torpodo his scam"

View profile
The admin folks must surely approve of that remark, being biased gun nuts themselves who hate dissenting voices.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:28 PM

36. Accusing another DUer of a scam is a personal attack.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #36)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:11 PM

37. What else would you call it?

I have little doubt it was alerted upon already, but if not, feel free to launch the alert "topodo"

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Response to DonP (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:50 AM

23. Don, you're wrong about everything you said. nt

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Response to DonP (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 09:24 PM

38. Do you have evidence he runs a blog for profit?

Or evidence of his 4 personalities?
If so, please share with us. I, for one, will not support his participation here if it is profit motivated.

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Response to DonP (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 11:28 AM

40. How do you know he gets paid for blog hits?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 02:48 AM

22. You sound like a crybaby. nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 08:30 AM

30. how you get that I will never understand except, to mark it up to your lack of

reading comprehension skills.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:27 AM

26. He could post the material here

so we can discuss it without enriching him personally.

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:35 AM

29. All of the "we" he talks about in his post are his conversations between

 

He and himself.

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Response to rl6214 (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 05:14 PM

35. There are at least four of 'him'- the newest one he calls "Colin Goddard":

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=89250

Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 01:33 AM

mikeb302000 (1,025 posts)
12. You keep calling me Jason

View profile
I told you before I'm not Jason. I'm Colin Goddard.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 03:32 AM

28. The only fallacy is that you know what you are talking about.

 

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Sun Dec 2, 2012, 11:46 AM

33. Pretzel logic. If it's a "fallacy" how can it "be true"? If you're looking for the ...

... original source of guns used in crimes, it's the same as the original source for guns not used in crimes - the manufacturer.

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