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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:39 PM

Both Gun-rights and gun-control groups promote longer penalties for teens with illegal guns.

http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2019783717_apwajuvenilesguns2ndldwritethru.html


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Gun rights and gun control groups joined prosecutors and lawmakers Wednesday in demanding some tough love for kids who illegally carry firearms, saying teen gun violence is on the rise and current laws aren't up to the task of dealing with it.

King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg, Democratic state Sen. Adam Kline and Rep. Christopher Hurst announced legislation that would require an automatic 10 days in local juvenile detention for a first offense - rather than the current penalty of zero days in detention.

They said a second offense should automatically send kids to the state Juvenile Rehabilitation Administration for at least 15 weeks. As the law stands, it takes five convictions to earn that stay in a JRA facility.

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Representatives of Washington CeaseFire as well as the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms joined them at the announcement. Dave Workman, a spokesman for the gun rights group, noted the bill would have no effect on kids who lawfully possess guns for hunting or target shooting.

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There is some common-sense gun control that I can agree with. Illegal use of guns should carry strong penalties.

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Reply Both Gun-rights and gun-control groups promote longer penalties for teens with illegal guns. (Original post)
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 OP
dballance Nov 2012 #1
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #5
doc03 Nov 2012 #2
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #4
Clames Nov 2012 #6
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #7
doc03 Nov 2012 #8
Clames Nov 2012 #9
doc03 Nov 2012 #10
Clames Nov 2012 #12
ileus Nov 2012 #13
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #14
ileus Nov 2012 #3
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #16
msongs Nov 2012 #11
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #15
Glassunion Nov 2012 #17
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #18
Glassunion Nov 2012 #19

Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:49 PM

1. So aside from throwing them in juvi

Are we doing anything else to try to educate or help change their view of guns? Gun safety courses, courses on how guns can lead to the horrible incidents like Trayvon Martin and others?

I really don't see how just locking someone up makes an impact on their thinking. Other than "I really don't need to get caught next time."

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Response to dballance (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:00 PM

5. I agree that such things should be taught in the schools. N/T

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:51 PM

2. I thought it was our right to own a gun at birth in this

country. I think kids should be able to open carry guns in school then we wouldn't have all these shootings in school. If all the kids were armed at Columbine the kids could have gunned down Klebould and Harris. If everyone was armed to the teeth there wouldn't any murders.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:59 PM

4. Flamebait. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL. N/T

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Response to doc03 (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:39 PM

6. Weak. Obvious. Displayed ignorance of existing laws...

 

...and that barely scratches the surface. Typical.

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Response to Clames (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:45 PM

7. Yeah. He was really lame.

We need to get a better class of trolls down here.

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Response to Clames (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:47 PM

8. Do I really have to say that was sarcasm?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #8)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:52 PM

9. You must be new around here...

 

...so I would recommend utilizing the tag going forward with posts like that here.

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Response to Clames (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 10:58 PM

10. Don't know how, it's not in the smiles anymore. Really there are people in the

Gungeon that would agree with my joke.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #10)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:04 PM

12. Look harder, it's there.

 

I'm sure there are people here that would agree with that joke. And they'd take it seriously.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:26 AM

13. which posters ?

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Response to doc03 (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:49 AM

14. It was very lame sarcasm.

Nobody here takes those positions.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:57 PM

3. Parents also need to do their part.

We need to come together to solve the problem of gun misuse. I'm tired of people abusing one of our most precious rights.

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Response to ileus (Reply #3)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:51 AM

16. I've a friend who is a counselor at a local youth facility/young adult facility.

 

Instead of jail, young persons can volunteer to attend the boot camp. What they do at the camp is work on self discipline, offer GED degrees and work on other life skills such as job interviewing or looking for job training programs. Many of the participants come from broken homes, single parents, or from houses with no family structure at all. If they make it through the first two weeks there's usually a vast improvement.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:01 PM

11. the 2A does not make ANY guns or ownership illegal. none, zip, nada, zilch. teens can own nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:42 AM

15. Another trollish post; DO NOT READ OR RESPOND. nt

 

nt

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:14 AM

17. I just don't get it... What's wrong with the law already on the on the books?

"teen gun violence is on the rise and current laws aren't up to the task of dealing with it."

and

"Christopher Hurst announced legislation that would require an automatic 10 days in local juvenile detention for a first offense - rather than the current penalty of zero days in detention."

Clips from the Current Washinton State law pertaining to illegal possesion by a minor who has zero prior convictions:
RCW 9.41.040 - Unlawful possession of firearms
(2)(a) A person, whether an adult or juvenile, is guilty of the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm in the second degree, if the person does not qualify under subsection (1) of this section for the crime of unlawful possession of a firearm in the first degree and the person owns, has in his or her possession, or has in his or her control any firearm:
(iii) If the person is under eighteen years of age, except as provided in RCW 9.41.042;
(b) Unlawful possession of a firearm in the second degree is a class C felony punishable according to chapter 9A.20 RCW.
(3) Notwithstanding RCW 9.41.047 or any other provisions of law, as used in this chapter, a person has been "convicted", whether in an adult court or adjudicated in a juvenile court, at such time as a plea of guilty has been accepted, or a verdict of guilty has been filed, notwithstanding the pendency of any future proceedings including but not limited to sentencing or disposition, post-trial or post-factfinding motions, and appeals. Conviction includes a dismissal entered after a period of probation, suspension or deferral of sentence, and also includes equivalent dispositions by courts in jurisdictions other than Washington state. A person shall not be precluded from possession of a firearm if the conviction has been the subject of a pardon, annulment, certificate of rehabilitation, or other equivalent procedure based on a finding of the rehabilitation of the person convicted or the conviction or disposition has been the subject of a pardon, annulment, or other equivalent procedure based on a finding of innocence. Where no record of the court's disposition of the charges can be found, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that the person was not convicted of the charge.

RCW 9A.20.021 - Maximum sentences for crimes committed July 1, 1984, and after.
(1) Felony. Unless a different maximum sentence for a classified felony is specifically established by a statute of this state, no person convicted of a classified felony shall be punished by confinement or fine exceeding the following:
(c) For a class C felony, by confinement in a state correctional institution for five years, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of ten thousand dollars, or by both such confinement and fine.

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Response to Glassunion (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:40 AM

18. I don't know. I'm not a WA legislator.

My interest in the article was in the anti and pro gun groups cooperating instead of fighting each other.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:53 AM

19. I'm with you

I'm glad to see the two groups come together and I would like to see more of it in the future.

I just don't know how much good will come of the law. I'm quite skeptical that this law, just like the other one will not be enforced/prosecuted. The clips I highlighted is just a tiny snip of the state's laws and the one I singled out is but one of many charges that can stem from the illegal possession by a minor.

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