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Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:39 PM

### (closed) rDigital reinstatement debate thread ###

Last edited Wed Dec 5, 2012, 05:48 PM - Edit history (3)

This discussion thread was locked by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

On November 3rd of this year, member rDigital was blocked from this Group after posting an original post which equated gun-control advocates with those that enabled the Holocaust.

The post is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117284156

rDigital appealed the blocking, requesting to be unblocked from the Group. As this occurred shortly before the election, I opted to wait until things has quieted down before proceeding with this issue.

After our victory and the delicious, schadenfreude-filled aftermath, I opened the discussion to create a reinstatement process.

That post is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117287894


This original post is the official discussion thread for reinstating rDigital. Here you can present opinion, facts, evidence, and whatever else you feel is required to advocate your point of view and convince others of the merits of your case.

After a week of discussion, I'll lock this thread and open a 24-hour poll, where voting will occur. At that point, majority rules.


Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host

On edit, corrected month.



On second edit:

Voting is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117290298

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Reply ### (closed) rDigital reinstatement debate thread ### (Original post)
krispos42 Nov 2012 OP
NYC_SKP Nov 2012 #1
immoderate Nov 2012 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #3
slackmaster Nov 2012 #4
jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #5
mike_c Nov 2012 #6
Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #9
Jenoch Nov 2012 #14
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #26
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #40
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #41
Clames Nov 2012 #7
Common Sense Party Nov 2012 #8
ileus Nov 2012 #10
petronius Nov 2012 #11
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #48
DonP Nov 2012 #12
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #13
darkangel218 Nov 2012 #15
safeinOhio Nov 2012 #16
LineLineNew Reply _
Glassunion Nov 2012 #47
oneshooter Nov 2012 #17
spin Nov 2012 #18
jeepnstein Nov 2012 #19
hack89 Nov 2012 #20
rrneck Nov 2012 #21
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #34
rrneck Nov 2012 #35
rl6214 Nov 2012 #22
appal_jack Nov 2012 #23
CokeMachine Nov 2012 #24
beevul Nov 2012 #25
tularetom Nov 2012 #27
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #28
Kaleva Nov 2012 #29
TPaine7 Nov 2012 #30
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #31
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #32
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #39
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #46
Berserker Nov 2012 #36
gejohnston Nov 2012 #37
Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #38
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #43
gejohnston Nov 2012 #44
Kaleva Nov 2012 #45
AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #42
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #33
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #50
Eleanors38 Dec 2012 #49
discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2012 #51
pipoman Dec 2012 #52
gejohnston Dec 2012 #53
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #54
gejohnston Dec 2012 #55
Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #56

Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:44 PM

1. I appreciate your skills as a host, and I support reinstatement/unblocking the member in question.

Robust discussion is not only healthy, but fundamental to this topic.

Beware, however, whenever equating anything to the Holocaust, to Nazis, and to other sensitive topics or historic matters or individuals.

I applaud the open-mindedness of the administrator(s) of this group.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:53 PM

2. Reinstate.

Wrong to ban people for citing incidents that provoke emotional reactions.

Some things are in "bad taste" and people who reference them should be admonished. But not banned.

--imm

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:55 PM

3. Let him back

He has publicly posted that he understands why and has shown no petulance. I cannot say that of others who have been barred.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:57 PM

4. rDigital's behavior in exile has been impeccable. Please pardon rDigital.

 

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:00 PM

5. Reinstate.

 

Don't think he should have been barred for that.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:15 PM

6. do not reinstate....

That thread demonstrated remarkable insensitivity and belligerence, neither of which foster an open, respectful discussion about RKBA and gun control issues on DU. Anyone who can't tell the difference between honest discourse and deliberate flame bait should refrain from posting until they demonstrate they've improved. I've seen nothing that indicates rDigital has learned anything yet.

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Response to mike_c (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:58 PM

9. Belligerence?

How so?

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Response to mike_c (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:22 PM

14. Although I have not been

here a long time, it has been my experience in reading these threads that those opposed to RKBA are more often writing posts with belligerence and deliberate insults directed at those who support RKBA.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #26)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:09 PM

40. rdigital's transparency page is open for viewing. nt.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:31 PM

7. Reinstate.

 

I think what he started is no worse than what has been posted by others who seem compelled to equate gun owners with all sorts of criminals among other things. If they are allowed here then so should rDigital.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 02:57 PM

8. Reinstate. There is a difference between holding or posting an unpopular view

and being a hostile, belligerent jerk.

rDigital's crime was the former. I think only the latter are deserving of banishment.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 03:16 PM

10. As an actual group regular I approve this message. +1 for RD.

At least he contributed to the group, and wasn't an ankle biter.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:07 PM

11. I propose that we cut to the chase and unblock everybody, and then not block

anyone else in the future. The individual tools provided by DU are sufficient to allow all DUers to avoid posters and threads they find unappealing, and IMO having formalized rules for blocking/unblocking is more distracting and contentious than it's worth in a topic-Group...

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Response to petronius (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 07:53 PM

48. +1

I completely agree.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 04:11 PM

12. Reinstate

There's a difference between getting "over your skis" some days and saying something you think better of later ... and being a total jerk.

rdigital, like many of us, has on occasion done the former, but isn't the latter.

We've/you've banned some of the real jerks we had and they're still squealing every chance they get. rdigital has handled it well and respectfully.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:30 PM

13. Amnesty for all previously banned.

 

Set an example.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 07:38 PM

15. Let him back in please. Thanks.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:07 PM

16. reinstate, but

on double secret probation.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:39 PM

47. _

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:08 PM

17. rDigital has taken his ban seriously, has not been insulting or hostile to

either those who banned him, or any others. He has been contrite and pleasant. I would say that he has learned the limits that are imposed on all of us here.

Reinstate him.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:00 PM

18. I support reinstatement. (n/t)

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:09 PM

19. Who among us hasn't gone off the deep end at least once.

I say we should reinstate him and see how it goes. If it goes down hill again you can always drop the perma ban bomb.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Wed Nov 28, 2012, 09:28 PM

20. Let him back. nt

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 12:11 AM

21. I would like to hear what rDigital has to say.

Perhaps a few words here so that hopefully the host won't be accused of a conflict of interest.

Generally speaking I favor unblock, but in the interest of procedural clarity I think the member who petitions for the unblock should make some sort of case to the group if the group is to vote on it.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:19 PM

34. where should he post these few words? the lounge? meta? how- here? wouldn't he have to be,

in fact, reinstated in order to post here?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:35 PM

35. Good question.

Krispos could unblock him long enough to post I guess. Or Krispost could C&P an email as an OP or in the voting thread.

My primary concern is balance. If members are going to vote, the member petitioning for the vote should be present. I can't say exactly why, it just seems more according to Hoyle to me.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:20 AM

22. I approve of his reinstatement

 

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:34 AM

23. I support reinstatement of rDigital. N/T.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:00 PM

24. Reinstate nt

 

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:25 PM

25. Unblock him.

Habitual offenders on the other hand...Not so much.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:46 PM

27. I don't even like the fact that this is subject to a vote - reinstate him right now!

krispos42, you are a good host and I appreciate your attempt at fairness, but I have read and re read the posts in question and the original post was so obviously satirical that no sentient being could have interpreted it as anything else.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:04 PM

29. Reinstate

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:00 PM

30. Reinstate n/t

 

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:31 PM

31. 9 hidden posts in 90 days - seen the error of his ways? No.

And there is zero evidence that rdigital was "unserious" about his gun controllers are holocaust enablers post.

Perhaps you all should petition to reinstate glacierbay too.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:47 PM

32. straight up question: do you subscribe to this group?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #32)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:08 PM

39. "straight up question" as opposed to what?

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 04:40 PM

46. as opposed to Have A Nice Day and Peace Out, Mr. Stupidity.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #31)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:57 PM

36. reinstate glacierbay?

 

WTF why is he blocked? Did he get sick of the anti-gunners bullshit and tell it like it is?
Oh and Rdigital should be welcomed back to fight on.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #36)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:10 AM

37. glacierbay pissed off the wrong people in meta

and got the granite.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #37)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 12:07 PM

38. Oh really?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=289093&sub=trans

glacierbay was shit-canned by somebody named EarlG as a "Previously banned disruptor".

MIRT only handles low post count newbs.

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Response to AnotherMcIntosh (Reply #43)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 03:15 PM

45. He was a previously banned member who came back, drew the attention of Admin and got PPR'd

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:48 PM

33. reinstate rdigital and allow new baby pics. thanks

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:45 PM

50. +1 :) n/t

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 12:51 PM

49. Oops, read this and forgot to weigh in...

The post was not offensive enough to ban anyone. Yes, rDigital should be Welcomed back.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:48 PM

51. I am against blocking altogether...

...and in favor of reinstating anyone now blocked who would want back in.
Count me as a vote to reinstate rDigital.

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:08 PM

52. Looks nearly unanimous, let him back...

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Response to krispos42 (Original post)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:13 PM

53. reinstate everyone, even Hoyt

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:41 PM

54. Not bongbong, please. He was very disruptive. Did he ever post anything of substance?

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #54)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:50 PM

55. I didn't know he was blocked,

OK, everyone but bongbong. I don't think he has.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 3, 2012, 08:55 PM

56. here is the list:

1 bupkus
2 Hoyt
3 bongbong
4 rDigital


I can agree with the others because they, at least, tried to post substance and would make coherent discussion.

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