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Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:31 AM

A little more sanity from Colorado.

No students move following CU dorm segregation for gun owners.
Since the University of Colorado's Boulder and Colorado Springs campuses began segregating dorms for students with valid concealed-carry permits this year, not a single student has asked to live where guns are allowed.
On Aug. 16, CU announced that both campuses would establish a residential area for students over age 21 with a permit to hold a concealed handgun. In all other dormitories, guns are banned.
"So far, no one has moved," CU spokesman Ken McConnellogue said.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_22056373/no-students-move-following-cu-dorm-segregation-gun?source=email

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Reply A little more sanity from Colorado. (Original post)
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 OP
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #1
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #3
slackmaster Nov 2012 #5
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #6
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #9
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #12
ileus Nov 2012 #11
AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #13
Callisto32 Nov 2012 #35
gejohnston Nov 2012 #2
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #7
gejohnston Nov 2012 #8
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #17
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #18
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #22
MicaelS Nov 2012 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #15
ileus Nov 2012 #10
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #14
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #16
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #19
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #21
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #24
glacierbay Nov 2012 #25
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #37
Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2012 #38
gejohnston Nov 2012 #30
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #20
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #23
tblue Nov 2012 #26
glacierbay Nov 2012 #27
oneshooter Nov 2012 #28
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #31
Berserker Nov 2012 #32
Starboard Tack Nov 2012 #34
Callisto32 Nov 2012 #36
Clames Nov 2012 #29
Jenoch Nov 2012 #33

Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:33 AM

1. The vast majority of students are not eligible

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:45 AM

3. So, you think the day they turn 21 there will be a mass move?

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:00 PM

5. Very few students can afford discretionary purchases such as handguns

 

Especially ones who are over 21 and still living in on-campus housing.

When I was that age getting into a better living situation was one of my top priorities.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:08 PM

6. Correct. Guns are not for poor people.

Poor people find it much harder to exercise their constitutional rights. Maybe that could be fixed by the government issuing free guns to those in the lower income bracket. After all, they are safety devices, like seatbelts and smoke detectors, which are mandatory.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:01 PM

9. Or the relaxation of repressive laws that drive the cost of firearms up needlessly

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:15 PM

12. Yep, lower the cost, then all the poor folk can go buy themselves guns.

That should solve all our problems. Good to see our "educators" thinking progressively.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:52 PM

11. You two examples are provided by the manufacture or landlord.

The landlords obligations are complete when they provide deadbolts and lighting. It's up to the tenant to provide for their own personal safety. Picking a reliable CCPPD is a very personal choice, I'd imagine if the feds started handing out safety devices to everyone they'd all end up with Hi-Points.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:41 PM

13. I'll take a garand from the Civilian Marksmanship Program, please.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:35 AM

35. Of you could go the other way and repeal criminal laws regarding seatbelts and smoke detectors.

Not that I expect anybody to fight authoritarian inertia, these days.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:40 AM

2. since it is open to only CCW holders,

and not to hunters or target shooters, that means only 21+ can move in the dorms. How many men and women that age move in to college dorms? Extremely rare. How many are likely to have CCWs or even own a gun? Even fewer.

What this does show is that one of the arguments against CCW on campus (18 year olds gone wild) was not remotely valid.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:12 PM

7. Why shouldn't 18 year olds have guns?

Or do we only allow that when we want them to kill in defense of the country? How crazy is that? You can be in the military, be executed, get married, vote, but have no 2A rights.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 12:37 PM

8. they can possess

although the Gun Control Act requires you to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 for handguns and NFA guns and accessories, you can possess them. On private sales, federal law sets 18 the age for handguns, long guns are left to the states. NFA is still 21.
I agree with your point, both of my brothers were RSPD. One joined after the Navy, the other right out of high school. At that time RSPD required you to buy your own service gun and off duty gun (the latter being smaller and easier to conceal.) Even though he had a badge, the training, and the power of the State to break up bar fights, Mom still had to fill out the 4473s. When he needed duty and practice ammo for his .357 and .38, Mom had to go to the store and buy it for him. No that was not a straw purchase, for the same reason Sarah Brady didn't make a straw purchase because parent/child relationship (In one of her books Brady mentioned the irony of buying her son a rifle, and some idiots on my side screamed "admitting to illegal straw purchase".)
I think we should lower the pistol age to 18, like Canada. Congress should also stop blackmailing the states on the drinking age.
If you are old enough to wear a badge and vote, you are old enough to buy your own gun
If you are old enough to carry a loaded machine gun in the Army, turn a wrench on an F-22 (or man a machine gun at the gate when needed) you are old enough to have a beer (or a joint when federal prohibition is repealed.)


But the policy only allow CCW holders to bring their guns. That policy would restrict both of us as well.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #7)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 09:41 PM

17. Hint

We are NOT fighting a war in this country.

It's HOGWASH to assert that someone is being denied their 2nd Amendment Rights.

What a crock.....

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:55 PM

18. So, are you saying 18 year olds can kill abroad but not at home?

And 21 year olds can kill anywhere?
The age of majority in this country is 18, except for drinking and carrying guns. Then it's 21. Sounds anti-constitutional to me.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:28 PM

22. Hhum No

Unreasonable perhaps but not unconstitutional.

I would not use the explanation that anyone can kill anywhere as justification for anything other than self defense or serving their country.

I think my post was in response to another post as it doesn't read well now on review. I agree that the majority age should be the same, including for drinking and guns. It is not, unfortunately, unconstitutional. Courts have ruled age can be used for discrimination for a compelling state interest. Don't ask me to defend.

As for getting married referenced in your post 7.....unfortunately.....I do not have that right as a gay man in all 50 states in this country at ANY age so your analogy doesn't completely work for me, but I get your point.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 11:54 AM

4. If I were a college student these days...

There is no way in hell that at the age of 21 I would be living in a dorm. Unless someone was footing the bill.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #4)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:47 PM

15. Dorms are a financial loser in many ways for both the school and the student

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 01:46 PM

10. Sounds like the safe dorms are the place to be.

Set the firearm debate to the side....it sounds like the gun dorms would be the place to be if you like privacy and being away from the crowds of drunken kids.

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Response to ileus (Reply #10)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:45 PM

14. Definitely!

Hard to imagine a healthy 21 year old wanting to live around a bunch of young guys carrying guns. Sounds like a real blast.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 24, 2012, 07:47 PM

16. I gather you are not a fan of the US military...

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #16)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:14 PM

19. Enjoy your gathering.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #14)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:37 PM

21. Ah the old "gun ownership as a mental illness" routine

 

Even after the 100,000th time it still doesn't get old.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:55 PM

24. Your words, not mine. Pretty lame.

Gun ownership has nothing to do with mental illness. You should know better. If you want to throw bones, they'd better be tastier than that.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:00 PM

25. You're answering someone

 

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:51 PM

37. I just noticed that. Another troll bites the dust.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #25)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:59 PM

38. Ask not for whom the bell tolls...

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #14)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:18 PM

30. I would get the CCW just so I wouldn't have

to deal with under aged drunks while having a short commute.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:37 PM

20. How many 21 year old still live in the dorms?

 

Not a whole lot. So it stands to reason few would have guns.

And given the vitriol from the anti-gun crowd who would segregate themselves out for that kind of abuse?

It's like setting up a gay dorm at Brigham Young University then acting surprised when no one volunteers to move in. What have you proven? That BYU has no homosexual students. Or that they have no one willing to subject themselves to abuse?

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:28 PM

23. This does not surprise me.

 

I doubt there are very many CU students with CCW permits first of all, and I bet there are even fewer 21+ years old living in dorms second of all.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:03 PM

26. I would NEVER go near that campus or let my kid go there.

Never. I would leave school if I was there. It can rot in hell. I don't care.

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Response to tblue (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:05 PM

27. Why? nt.

 

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:22 PM

28. Don't expect an answer any time ever. That type just come in, squat, and run off.

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Response to tblue (Reply #26)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:04 PM

31. I think many, if not most people, feel the same.

In spite of the few strident voices around here that support such foolish behavior, most of us prefer our kids to go to college for the purpose of higher learning, rather than indulging their irrational fear of other students. These are strange times that we live. However, as you may notice, even those who support this kind of madness acknowledge that very few, if any, students are going along with it. This whole fad of carrying concealed weapons appears to appeal mainly to old white guys who think they are targets of roaming bands of armed thugs.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Reply #31)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 09:16 PM

32. Having read many of your

 

Anti-self defense posts I can't help but wonder what age do you call "concealed weapons appears to appeal mainly to old white guys who think they are targets of roaming bands of armed thugs." At what age is the cut off in your world of Utopia? Does the fad start at over 40 or 50 or over 60? Just so we all know.
What I call Foolish behavior is being a Democrat and cherry picking the Bill Of Rights.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:14 AM

34. Why don't we start by you linking to one of my anti SD posts.

Then we can have a conversation.

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Response to tblue (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:43 AM

36. You aren't going to LET your adult child attend a school because you disagree with a policy decision

Just wow.

Tell your children you won't LET them attend a school of their choice after they attain adulthood and see how well that conversation works out.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:51 PM

29. This puts another hole the usual anti-gunner or gun-control extremists arguments...

 

...against CCW on college campuses. One of those "no duh" moments for those of us who actually understand CCW laws, demographics, and basic mathematics. Considering the average age of a CCW permit holder, percentage of handgun owners who actually obtain a CCW permit, and the percentage of CCW permit holders that actually carry on a daily basis then on a campus with about 12,000 total students you are looking at maybe 6 CCW permitted students that would actually carry with any regularity and few to none of those would be living in a dorm anyway. Pretty much proves what a load of crap the shrill cries are of those opposed to campus CCW that such laws would open the flood gates of students carrying guns. Much ado over not very much, just like the assertions made as state after state passed CCW permitting laws.

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Response to Starboard Tack (Original post)

Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:54 AM

33. There are all kinds of reasons

why there have not been students making the move you described. To determine that they are showing their sanity because they have not made such a move shows little intelligence on your part. How many students that live on campus actually have CCWs? It's quite possible that there is not a single one. I would bet that any 21 year old or older student that attends that school are quite mature and independent and choose not to live in a dorm on campus.

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