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Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:42 AM

 

Home invasion stopped by armed homeowner.

http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2012/11/eastern_new_orleans_dentists_s.html

"If we'd waited for NOPD, we'd be dead." -- 34-year-old dentist whose husband engaged in a shootout with robbers during a home invasion

Good thing this family didn't live in Chicago or NYC.

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Reply Home invasion stopped by armed homeowner. (Original post)
Remmah2 Nov 2012 OP
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #1
DonP Nov 2012 #2
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #3
ileus Nov 2012 #4
Trunk Monkey Nov 2012 #5
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #6
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #7
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #9
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #15
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #17
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #20
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #23
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #24
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #25
DonP Nov 2012 #27
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #28
DonP Nov 2012 #8
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #10
gejohnston Nov 2012 #11
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #12
DonP Nov 2012 #13
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #14
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #16
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #19
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #21
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #22
panAmerican Nov 2012 #26

Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:47 AM

1. If the NOPD had GOTTEN there they'd be dead.

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Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:01 AM

2. Whoa! I just read the account of the break in - scary stuff. Serious criminals at work.

With that response time by NOPD, without a good alarm system AND a means of active resistance, they might all be dead.

But I'm sure all the criminals wanted was their "stuff", right?

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Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:23 AM

3. These thugs know the NOPE's capabilities, and they

have every intention of killing; it's "what they do."

Extremely violent crims in NO, and a lot of 'em.

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Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:31 AM

4. How rude can someone be to house guests.

Don't they realize stuff isn't worth shooting someone over....and the back door is a proud way to abandon your home in an emergency.

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Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:45 PM

5. If you read the comments the reporter was taken to task her use of the word assault rifle

 

From the story :
One of the men held a 3-foot-long assault rifle. A fourth man stood guard behind the house, outside the back door.


The robbers returned fire with an automatic weapon and another gun.


ETA Sorry I forgot to quote the person taking er to task

copperhead54Naomi, you have used 3 different terms to describe the weapon used by one the criminals; "military style", "assault rifle/weapon", and "automatic weapon". Do you actually know what any of those things mean, or are you just tossing around buzz words to add sizzle instead of fact? The first two are media and political hyperbole that really have no rational definition.
Automatic weapon does have a legal and rational definition, and in looking at the accompanying photos I doubt an automatic weapon was used. First, only 15 shots were fired by two guns according to you. An AW could have fired that in about 2.5 seconds, and would only be about 1/2 a magazine. They fire so fast that the bullet holes would have been closer together in a more recognizable pattern. These are scattered all over the room randomly.
/EDIT


Her response

The homeowners saw the guns through their video surveillance and described them to me, one being a three-foot long rifle. The military uses such automatic rifles, hence my description. The husband described the shots as happening so quickly that he said it had to be some kind of automatic firearm. I'm not making up anything, just reporting the victim's story. Thanks for reading.


Not the brightest crayon in the box

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Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:59 PM

6. Good Grief

Similiar Things Have Happened in Chicago and NY

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:46 PM

7. In "NYC" and Chicago homeowner 2A rights are severely infringed.

 

The dentist in NOLA was able to legally defend his family. In Chicago and "NYC" you're SOL according to local draconian laws. If it was "NYC" or Chicago I'd expect we'd be reading an obituary on the dentist.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:50 PM

9. Nonsense

If you are arguing that there have not been numerous incidents where individuals lawfully defended themselves and their families in their home from invasion using a gun in Chicago or NYC and did not have the support of law enforcement, you are simply not telling the truth.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:20 AM

15. In "NYC" and Chicago homeowner 2A rights are severely infringed.

 

Exactly what I said. In NOLA the dentist had the freedom to make the decision on his family's future. If the same incident had happened in NYC or Chicago same exact set of circumstances the police would have been obligated to arrest the dentist and quite possible the dentist would have been considered a criminal thanks to draconian laws in those cities.

Lawful possession of a firearm in NYC and Chicago is an exception not the rule, reserved for the elite and politically connected. People who would be in lawful possession in NOLA would be criminals in NYC/Chicago even though they have the same day job and are otherwise honest/productive citizens.

PS: I'm not arguing, it's a simple statement of fact. Some people simply don't comprehend the truth.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:58 AM

17. Not Supported by Facts

Infringed? How so?

Because 'self defense' is not a defense in Chicago or NYC? Pure speculation on your part.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:09 AM

20. Can the average citizen purchase a firearm in NYC or Chicago without an immense amount of paperwork?

 

How about a sixth month waiting period?

Pure ignorance on your part.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:30 AM

23. And that is Bad?

Paperwork?
Waiting Periods?
And that is bad?
And it makes me ignorant?
Are you ignorant on why the peoples of those cities disagree?

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #23)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 12:57 PM

24. Sort of makes it tough to stop a home invasion?

 

Ya think?

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:00 PM

25. No

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:33 PM

27. Just to get the facts straight: There are no gun stores in Chicago

There are only 5 remaining gun stores in all of Cook County and with the new tax they will be gone soon.

You can't buy or even touch a gun or ammunition in Illinois without a FOID card (Firearm Owners ID) from the state and that takes 6 to 8 weeks to get and includes a background check by the state police.

You can't buy or touch a gun or ammunition at a gun show in Illinois with out a current FOID card and a background check.

And yes, Chicago's murder rate is 48% higher than a year ago.

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Response to DonP (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 02:54 PM

28. Wait a damn minute.

 

The country is awash in death spewers according to the "experts".

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:47 PM

8. Not in Chicago. Successful home defense with handguns yes, rifles not so much.

No shortage of gang members shooting each other and all the bystanders up every weekend and most week nights, but always with handguns they hide, share or rent not rifles. And I bet not one of them has a valid FOID card.

But up until last year, even owning a handgun in your home was against the law here, unless you were an aldercritter or other designated "peace" officer or privileged character.

Can't think of any rifle or other long gun shooting crimes, let alone one using those vicious "assault weapons"?

Thank you Otis McDonald and Alan Gura, for taking care of that unconstitutional ban for all of us.

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Response to DonP (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 04:51 PM

10. Not this Story

Read account again. Home invasion.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:04 PM

11. once again

ownership, even your house was banned just like DC. Has nothing to do with concealed carry. NYC has an almost ban.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:37 PM

12. And Yet All I Said Is True

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 05:56 PM

13. I know any details or facts are just more NRA talking points but ...

If you waited for about 10 seconds and read and think before you type, you might actually learn something about what you are trying to deride.

The story in NOLA is unusual because it involves semi-auto rifles in a home invasion. That's very, very rare as a criminal activity, anywhere. Rifles in Illinois were only used 3 times last year in any kind of crime, about 2.8% overall in the US in 2011. Get it? Very rare.

You said ... "the same thing happens in Chicago and NY".

We're saying, no it doesn't, since semi autos of any kind are completely banned in both cities and even handguns were banned up until last year.

Nothing you said is true, unless of course the type of firearm involved doesn't matter to you and they are all just "Boomsticks".

And if that's the case why try and ban one type over another anyway?

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Response to DonP (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 19, 2012, 06:02 PM

14. I Stand Corrected

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 10:22 AM

16. But not the complete truth.

 

Omission of the truth is as bad as a lie.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #16)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:00 AM

18. Nice

Leave it to you to twist a statement you acknowledge as 100% true into some lie that exists only in your head.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:06 AM

19. Never come to a battle of the wits unarmed.

 

Telling half truths is the SOP for the NRA but even more so for the anti-gun lobby cartel.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:11 AM

21. Right

....and to you facts are lies, but keep thinking you are fully armed ....with your wits.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #21)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:23 AM

22. and???

 

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Response to Remmah2 (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:32 PM

26. Could this have been a hit gone awry?

I find the story shocking, what with one guy having a huge weapon, the other one guarding, and the fact that they weren't scared by the family being home, nor by the homeowners opening fire. It's also good that the homeowners had the presence of mind to say don't come out from under the bed, even if Mommy and Daddy are dead.

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