Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:45 AM
mikeb302000 (1,065 posts)
Lawful Gun Owner Plans Aurora-Type Attack - ArrestedA 20-year-old man is in jail in southwest Missouri on Friday on charges he planned a mass shooting at a theatre during the showing Sunday of the new movie Twilight. are all excited about the fantasy that young Mr. Lammars was heading to the theater BECAUSE it was a gun free zone and he'd be able to kill people like sitting ducks. Nothing could be further from the truth. He himself admitted the reason, it was to imitate the Aurora Colorado shooter, ] The real story here is that someone as sick as this guy was able to legally buy guns. He was a lawful gun owner, , who was so unfit to own them safely that the most basic examination into his mental health might have been able to raise red flags. , which would include an exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy, is the only way to weed out these dangerous characters. We can't depend on their mothers dropping a dime. What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
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| mikeb302000 | Nov 2012 | OP | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #1 | |
| Eleanors38 | Nov 2012 | #3 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #7 | |
| mikeb302000 | Nov 2012 | #64 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #66 | |
| gejohnston | Nov 2012 | #67 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #10 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #11 | |
| hack89 | Nov 2012 | #13 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #17 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Nov 2012 | #19 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #20 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Nov 2012 | #24 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #25 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Nov 2012 | #26 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #27 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #28 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #29 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #31 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #33 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #36 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #49 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #52 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #57 | |
| PavePusher | Nov 2012 | #60 | |
| derby378 | Nov 2012 | #61 | |
| Straw Man | Nov 2012 | #51 | |
| friendly_iconoclast | Nov 2012 | #39 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Nov 2012 | #37 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #40 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #43 | |
| friendly_iconoclast | Nov 2012 | #68 | |
| hack89 | Nov 2012 | #30 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #32 | |
| graham4anything | Nov 2012 | #34 | |
| hack89 | Nov 2012 | #35 | |
| petronius | Nov 2012 | #47 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #48 | |
| rrneck | Nov 2012 | #14 | |
| Straw Man | Nov 2012 | #50 | |
| Atypical Liberal | Nov 2012 | #54 | |
| krispos42 | Nov 2012 | #62 | |
| GreenStormCloud | Nov 2012 | #72 | |
| clffrdjk | Nov 2012 | #2 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #8 | |
| ileus | Nov 2012 | #4 | |
| Eleanors38 | Nov 2012 | #5 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #12 | |
| rrneck | Nov 2012 | #15 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #16 | |
| Tuesday Afternoon | Nov 2012 | #21 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #38 | |
| Eleanors38 | Nov 2012 | #53 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #59 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #6 | |
| ileus | Nov 2012 | #18 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Nov 2012 | #22 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #9 | |
| mikeb302000 | Nov 2012 | #65 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #69 | |
| Tuesday Afternoon | Nov 2012 | #23 | |
| darkangel218 | Nov 2012 | #41 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Nov 2012 | #42 | |
| tortoise1956 | Nov 2012 | #44 | |
| DonP | Nov 2012 | #45 | |
| darkangel218 | Nov 2012 | #46 | |
| Atypical Liberal | Nov 2012 | #55 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #58 | |
| Atypical Liberal | Nov 2012 | #56 | |
| Union Scribe | Nov 2012 | #63 | |
| AtheistCrusader | Nov 2012 | #70 | |
| Jenoch | Nov 2012 | #71 |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:56 AM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
1. Throw out all current gun regulations & BAN ALL LEGAL GUNS. Then banning illegal ones will be easy.
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It is quite simple. Start the whole gun regulations concept over
ANY GUN OUTSIDE A PRIVATE HOME SHOULD BE BANNED AND A JAIL SENTENCE IF ANYONE IS FOUND CARRYING OUTSIDE THE HOME. The 2nd does NOT apply outside the home, even if one believes the wrongly interpreted regular person allowed to have a gun to protect ONES HOME. It is the legal gun that stops illegal guns from being found and removed. And in almost all incidents of gun violence, THE GUN WAS LEGAL. (and of course, I would ban bullets and gun dealers and gun shows. Let the collectors collect. Let the gallery shooters shoot in galleries (like mini golf, renting a gun and when leaving, leaving the gun) Let the hunters hunt with bow and arrow like the Native Americans did for centuries. etc. MY FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS HARMED BY SOME SUPPOSED WRONG READING OF #2. (AND #2 IS WHAT IT IS.) |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:49 AM
Eleanors38 (3,447 posts)
3. Extremist prohibitionism does not work. But it aids the...
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NRA.
Do you want that? |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:09 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
7. Just more of your RW authoritarian nonsense
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So, how do you get thugs from acquiring firearms and using them against a defensless population?
Do you honestly believe that another law is going to be obeyed? |
Response to glacierbay (Reply #7)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:30 AM
mikeb302000 (1,065 posts)
64. I've explained this to you before.
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Criminals get their guns from the law abiding. There are only a few ways this happens and proper gun control, directed at lawful gun owners, would choke off the flow.
But you're not interested in anything that will inconvenience you even a little bit. http://mikeb302000.blogspot.it/2012/06/four-major-ways-criminals-get-guns.html |
Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #64)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:35 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
66. Wasn't talking to you Mikey
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I've asked this member numerous time and he refuses to answer.
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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #64)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:45 AM
gejohnston (12,581 posts)
67. you forgot five and six
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Last edited Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:50 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) steal them from cops
buy them from bad cops, like NYPD and don't forget seven make them or buy them from those who do. The last is common from the Yakusa and Australian biker gangs, who have been known to make sub machine guns to sell to drug dealers. How does the mob and other criminals get illegal guns in Italy? Your whole rant is so US centric. I seriously doubt straw purchases are a major source since the average US crime gun is almost 12 years old from last FFL purchase to crime. http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/trace-data/2011/2011-trace-data-puerto-rico.pdf Although Puerto Rico has fairly strict laws, the time to crime is less than the national average. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:16 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
10. And of course you would allow GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to legally carry guns outside
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Because your idea is pure authoritarianism.
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:27 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
11. We're going to need a demonstration
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You can show us how it's done.
We could all chip in. You get a bow and arrows, sleeping bag, canteen, machete, fishing line and hooks... You start at Chilchukabena Lake in the Denali National Park, bag a bear and bring it to Anchorage. When you manage to show us the bear, we sign a petition to bring your idea before the House and Senate. I'd wait til Spring though, it's getting a bit brisk. How many arrows would you like? |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:32 AM
hack89 (21,255 posts)
13. How would this have stopped any mass shooter?
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do you really think that they will obey a ban that forbids them taking their guns out of homes?
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Response to hack89 (Reply #13)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:11 AM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
17. the gun won't get in the perimeter with already there proper security
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only a criminal fears an eye in the sky or an unmanned satellite able to spot instantly a
gun and bullets your soundbytes from the $million dollar suits in the NRA are laughable, in that you regurgitate the soundbytes time and again and the paranoia is amazing."they are after me" "they are animals" such bullshit the only fear is in the fear itself free oneself of having to hold your piece, and forever enjoy the peace FOr all we know, Mr. Martin would have found the cure for Ebola, but Zimmerman shot him in cold blood coward style dead, by the mass paranoia a gun brings upon oneself. Mr. Martin is up in heaven now. Hopefully Zimmy will be forever in hell. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #17)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:41 AM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
19. Really? That's your plan?
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:43 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) 24/7 aerial surveillance of the entire country in detail?
We're miles away from any technology like that, and even if we weren't, it'd be a nightmare to live under continuous state scrutiny. I like the 4th Amendment, too. I guess you and Meek Mayor Mike share a disregard for that'n. |
Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #19)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:48 AM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
20. I get frisked for 30 years at Madison Square garden. Don't like it? Don't go. I feel safe on airline
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and don't mind someone scanning me.
I am not paranoid. Long as the searches are for everyone and not just minorities like cops normally do as so many are taught racist techniques by the police chiefs (and we know the police has more power than the mayor in NY at least.) |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #20)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:59 AM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
24. I don't go to Madison Square Garden, so that's not an issue
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:59 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) That's voluntary, and they can do whatever they like for security. I object to being subjected to continuous and intrusive aerial surveillance by the government from birth to death, which seems to be your solution to crime.
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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #24)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:06 AM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
25. I don't use cash. Therefore they already know what toilet paper I use
Response to graham4anything (Reply #25)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:52 AM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
26. Maybe the store knows, but probably not the FBI.
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:52 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Do you think the FBI should know? Do you think it's any of their business?
I'm guessing your response will be "I'm not a criminal, I have nothing to hide," but the 4th Amendment wasn't written to protect criminals. It was to protect the innocent. I want those protections. |
Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #26)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:55 AM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
27. but they are not looking at you either, unless you give them cause to. Do you think they care?
Response to graham4anything (Reply #27)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:02 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
28. The kind of surveillance you want
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will be abused by the PTB, always has, always will. I find your advocacy of more govt. control very disturbing and unsettling. Why would you want more invasive surveillance when the govt. has been caught time and again abusing that power?
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Response to glacierbay (Reply #28)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:20 PM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
29. Just because a bad Bush does it, doesn't mean others will. Stop being afraidy cat
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don't like what Bush did? Don't elect Jeb or George P. EVER.
Why do we have cops in the first place? to keep people safe. you keep using negatives instead of positives. And 3 people complaining about the TSA (all who happened to have TV camera with them btw) does not make a problem when there are millions nationwide going through airports, now all safe. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:32 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
31. Cops are not there to make you safe
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My job is not to protect the individual citizen unless in my custody, my job is to protect the general public, you are responsible for your own personal safety.
A bad Bush does what?????? Your defense of more surveillance, support of the Patriot Act tells me all I need to know about you. Your constantly saying that armed citizens denies your right to peacefully assemble is complete bullshit, and calling me a fraidy cat, that's funny considering that you're the one who has an inordinate fear of an inanimate object. |
Response to glacierbay (Reply #31)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:12 PM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
33. guns kill. people with legal guns kill. Without a gun, people won't kill in mass numbers.
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I am Joe Q. Public, member of the general public.
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #33)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:51 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
36. People with a gun won't kill in mass numbers?
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Sure you want to stick to that lie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre At 10:15 that morning, 37-year-old former janitor Mamoru Takuma entered the school armed with a kitchen knife and began stabbing numerous school children and teachers. He killed eight children, mostly between the ages of seven and eight, and seriously wounded thirteen other children and two teachers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre The Akihabara massacre (秋葉原通り魔事件 Akihabara Tōrima Jiken?, lit. "Akihabara random attacker incident") was an incident of mass murder that took place on Sunday, June 8, 2008, in the Akihabara shopping quarter for electronics, video games and comics in Sotokanda, Chiyoda, Tokyo, Japan. At 12:33 p.m. JST, a man hit a crowd with a truck, eventually killing three people and injuring two; he then stabbed at least 12 people using a dagger (initially reported as a survival knife), killing four people and injuring eight. Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department arrested Tomohiro Katō (加藤 智大 Katō Tomohiro?), 25, on suspicion of attempted murder. The suspect, dressed then in a black T-shirt with a jacket and off-white trousers, was a resident of Susono, Shizuoka. He was held at the Manseibashi Police Station. Two days later on June 10, he was sent to the Tokyo District Public Prosecutor's Office. He was later re-arrested by the police on June 20 on suspicion of murder. During the trial, prosecutors sought the death penalty, and the Tokyo District Court agreed, sentencing Kato to death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Chinese_school_attacks School attacks in China (2010–2011) A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 21 dead and some 90 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents. Contents 1 March 2010 2 April 2010 3 May 2010 4 August 2010 5 August 2011 6 September 2011 7 Causes 8 Reaction and response 9 See also 10 References 11 External links March 2010 Main article: Nanping school massacre On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping, Fujian province; The attack was widely reported in Chinese media , sparking fears of copycat crimes. Following a quick trial, Zheng Minsheng was executed about one month later on April 28. April 2010 Just a few hours after the execution of Zheng Minsheng in neighboring Fujian Province, in Leizhou, Guangdong another knife-wielding man named Chen Kangbing, 33 at Hongfu Primary School wounded 16 students and a teacher. Chen Kangbing had been a teacher at a different primary school in Leizhou; he was sentenced to death by a court in Zhanjiang in June. On April 29 in Taixing, Jiangsu, 47-year-old Xu Yuyuan went to Zhongxin Kindergarten and stabbed 28 students, two teachers and one security guard; most of the Taixing students were 4 years old. On April 30, Wang Yonglai used a hammer to cause head injury to preschool children in Weifang, Shandong, then used gasoline to commit suicide by self-immolation. May 2010 An attacker named Wu Huanming , 48, killed seven children and two adults and injured 11 other persons with a cleaver at a kindergarten in Hanzhong, Shaanxi on May 12, 2010; early reports were removed from the internet in China, for fear that mass coverage of such violence can provoke copycat attacks. The attacker later committed suicide at his house; he was the landlord of the school, Shengshui Temple private kindergarten, and had been involved in an ongoing dispute with the school administrator about when the school would move out of the building. On May 18, 2010 at Hainan Institute of Science and Technology, a vocational college in Haikou, Hainan, more than 10 men charged into a dormitory wielding knives around 2:30 am; after attacking the security guard and disabling security cameras, 9 students were injured, 1 seriously. The local men attacked the dorm in an act of revenge and retaliation against college students following conflict the previous day at an off-campus food stall in which 4 students were injured, for a total of 13. August 2010 On 4 August 2010, 26-year-old Fang Jiantang slashed more than 20 children and staff with a 60 cm knife, killing 3 children and 1 teacher, at a kindergarten in Zibo, Shandong province. Of the injured, 3 other children and 4 teachers were taken to the hospital. After being caught Fang confessed to the crime; his motive is not yet known. August 2011 Eight children, all aged four or five, were hurt in Minhang District, Shanghai when an employee at a child-care centre for migrant workers slashed them with a box-cutter. September 2011 In September 2011, a young girl and three adults taking their children to nursery school were killed in Gongyi, Henan by 30-year-old Wang Hongbin with an axe. Another child and an adult were seriously wounded but survived. The suspect is a local farmer who is suspected of being mentally ill. So you can't commit mass murder w/o a gun? |
Response to glacierbay (Reply #36)
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Response to glacierbay (Reply #49)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 03:13 AM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
52. you are still posting NRA/ authority(aka police) talking points I see.
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I am not going from this thread. Nor running away from my anti-gun point of view.
guns=killings, war, violence no guns=peace this bull about using a knife, or spoon or something misses the whole point |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:52 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
57. Here's what you said
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http://www.democraticunderground.com/117287037#post33
Here is my rebuttal http://www.democraticunderground.com/117287037#post36 So, what point did I miss? I totally destroyed your rant and this is all you can come up with? How about addressing the fact that I proved you wrong on mass murders. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:01 PM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
60. None of those citations is from the NRA.
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You are either lying or deeply confused.
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #52)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 07:06 PM
derby378 (28,480 posts)
61. Dude, you got owned - with a capital P
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At least have the decency to admit you've been bested in this argument, dust yourself off, and carry on with the 1984 rhetoric at your leisure.
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #33)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:31 AM
Straw Man (2,209 posts)
51. One word.
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guns kill. people with legal guns kill. Without a gun, people won't kill in mass numbers.
Rwanda. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #29)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:06 PM
friendly_iconoclast (8,854 posts)
39. St. Michael of Bloomberg's NYPD already has- and got caught:
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 03:08 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) But that's OK with you, apparently...
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-07-25/news/32853161_1_muslim-student-groups-nypd-muslims-in-new-york LISTEN: 911 caller outs NYPD spying in NJ
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Wednesday, July 25, 2012 NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. — It’s an audiotape the New York Police Department hoped you would never hear. A building superintendent at an apartment complex just off the Rutgers University campus called the New Brunswick Police 911 line in June 2009. He said his staff had been conducting a routine inspection and came across something suspicious... ... The caller, Salil Sheth, had stumbled upon one of the NYPD’s biggest secrets: a safe house, a place where undercover officers working well outside the department’s jurisdiction could lie low and coordinate surveillance. Since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the NYPD, with training and guidance from the CIA, has monitored the activities of Muslims in New York and far beyond. Detectives infiltrated mosques, eavesdropped in cafes and kept tabs on Muslim student groups, including at Rutgers. The NYPD kept files on innocent sermons, recorded the names of political organizers in police documents and built databases of where Muslims lived and shopped, even where they were likely to gather to watch sports. Out-of-state operations, like the one in New Brunswick, were one aspect of this larger intelligence-gathering effort. The Associated Press previously described the discovery of the NYPD inside the New Jersey apartment, but police now have released the tape of the 911 call and other materials after a legal fight... People like you remind me of William Roper in Robert Bolt's A Man For All Seasons: William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil? William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that! Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake! |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #27)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:27 PM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
37. What you're advocating is that they SHOULD
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be looking at me. Continuous aerial surveillance, every time I go outside. Or inside, if they have the technology to spy on me there, too. My movements should be known to the government, and they should be able to see at a glance if I'm at a strip club, anti-war demonstration, or a gun shop. I'm not so ready to accept the notion that government is always, and will perpetually be, trustworthy.
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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #37)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:51 PM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
40. You do realize they already are. They don't care
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Do you want the public to be safe? Or 3000 people to die in one minute like on 9-11?
Or dozens like in some of these incidents that occur more and more I would rather be safe than dead. (and if the FBI wanted to watch you in a gun shop, they would already be doing so.) It is like going to a wellness visit to the doctor but saying why go, you don't want the flu shot, then you get the flu. I would rather get the vaccine than the flu. and again, every single thing I buy is on a credit card. And because my store offers discounts, I use my stores card, so they know everything I purchase. My e-z pass gets me through the tunnel quicker and cheaper. and its my guess that any car that does not have an e-z pass is also tracked and noted Meanwhile, we do have the means to stop gun shootings. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #40)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:41 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
43. How, pray tell
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do we have the means to stop gun shootings?
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #40)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:08 AM
friendly_iconoclast (8,854 posts)
68. How very "Brazil"-ian of you:
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #17)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:26 PM
hack89 (21,255 posts)
30. What security will stop people carrying in public?
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guns are small and easy to conceal.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #30)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 12:37 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
32. Hell
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I've asked him several times how any law will stop the vicious animals who will carry guns no matter what laws are passed and I either get no answer or a post so convulted, that I can't make heads nor tails of what he's saying.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #30)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:20 PM
graham4anything (9,174 posts)
34. any run of the mill metal detector to start with
Response to graham4anything (Reply #34)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:45 PM
hack89 (21,255 posts)
35. Detectors and guards at every entrance to every public space?
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 01:47 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) that's your solution? What about the streets? The shooter can simply wait at the entrance for everyone as they come out.
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Response to hack89 (Reply #35)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:36 PM
petronius (19,651 posts)
47. Actually, it would make more sense if the detectors were placed at the door
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to your
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Response to petronius (Reply #47)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:43 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
48. Oh hell
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you know as well as I do that wouldn't satisfy him.
He won't be satisfied until all law abiding citizens are disarmed. He knows that the goblins will never disarm, but he doesn't seem to care. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:58 AM
rrneck (13,760 posts)
14. You're funny. nt
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:26 AM
Straw Man (2,209 posts)
50. Really.
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And in almost all incidents of gun violence, THE GUN WAS LEGAL.
Please tell us how you arrived at this conclusion. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:45 AM
Atypical Liberal (5,412 posts)
54. Sounds great except for one small problem:
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Most criminals probably keep their guns at home.
Except when they decide to go and commit a crime, so they take it with them and commit a crime with them. Even the subject in the OP kept his guns at home. That's how the subject's mother saw them. Even if we passed a law stating what you suggest, people would be crying the next day that the laws weren't tough enough because people were leaving their homes with their guns to commit crimes. |
Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 10:19 PM
krispos42 (45,142 posts)
62. After we ban the jumbo shrimp
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false lies, and Microsoft Works?
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Response to graham4anything (Reply #1)
Wed Nov 21, 2012, 11:16 AM
GreenStormCloud (10,179 posts)
72. How does it feel to be on such a losing side?
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In this past year there have been dozens of pro-gun state laws passed and signed, and several pro-gun referendums that passed.
Over half the House and almost half the Senate has an NRA rating of "A". Any gun control bill is dead-on-arrival at the Federal level. How does it feel to be losing so badly? |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 07:33 AM
clffrdjk (143 posts)
2. No no no you're both not doing enough
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:03 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) Neither of you go far enough. We need to bring in the UN and preform a door to door search anyone found with a weapon gets shot on sight. If you decide to turn in your death machines you will be enrolled at a treatment facility where you will be taught how things work in the real world. Only then can we be sure that the gun problem has been eliminated.
I hope it isn't needed but how do I "sarcasm tag"? |
Response to clffrdjk (Reply #2)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:10 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
8. Welcome
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The sarcasm tag is created by typing the word "sarcasm" and putting a colon ":" before and after with no spaces. Should there be a prize um... I mean bounty for ratting out your neighbors, friends and relatives with guns? |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:50 AM
ileus (9,207 posts)
4. Another example of why I exercise my 2A rights.
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Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:53 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Thanks for proving me right...
Remember ALL your rights are worthless if you're DEAD. The 2A assures your right to life, liberty, and happiness exercise regularly to ensure it's there when you need it most. Stay safe and be alert my friends. |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 08:52 AM
Eleanors38 (3,447 posts)
5. Mental background check: Try due process. I knew you could.nt
Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #5)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:31 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
12. I think mike's keyboard is broken
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There was no reference to "hidden criminals".
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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #12)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:00 AM
rrneck (13,760 posts)
15. He just blew the copy paste this time.
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Or maybe his spam generating software farted.
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Response to rrneck (Reply #15)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:09 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
16. Oh!!!
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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #16)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:52 AM
Tuesday Afternoon (43,897 posts)
21. indeed, it did -
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I can smell it from here.
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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #21)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 02:35 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
38. We can always smell it from any where
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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #12)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:03 AM
Eleanors38 (3,447 posts)
53. Probably thinks we're all in the open, now.
Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #53)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 09:41 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
59. That's funny!
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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:03 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
6. My opinion...
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...is that you didn't link out of the OP and I like that.
Anything about an "exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy" relating to exercising a right is just fascism. |
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:16 AM
ileus (9,207 posts)
18. Fascism used to be popular in Italy.
Response to ileus (Reply #18)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:54 AM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,651 posts)
22. The natural evolution...
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...of all sorts of fascist, tyrannical, control based philosophies is freedom. The natural state of man is freedom. The essential link between one's own choices and efforts and their reward is the basis for productivity.
In freedom the number of those willing to help the victim, donate to the less fortunate and rescue the imperiled will always be greater than the number wanting to burden, tax and control the free people. Government's first job is to defend freedom. |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:15 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
9. Mike, in the first sentence of your commentary did you accidentally the subject noun?
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #9)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:32 AM
mikeb302000 (1,065 posts)
65. I don't understand the question. nt
Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #65)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 09:39 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
69. Well then you accidentally the whole thing
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As far as I'm concerned.
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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 10:58 AM
Tuesday Afternoon (43,897 posts)
23. Hey Mikey, May I make a suggestion?
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Please watch this film and help us install A National Health Care System that is not contingent on Employment. Support Mental Health Awareness and Help To Remove The Stigma of Depression and PTSD. Thank you.
We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011) Kevin's mother struggles to love her strange child, despite the increasingly vicious things he says and does as he grows up. But Kevin is just getting started, and his final act will be beyond anything anyone imagined. Eva Khatchadourian is trying to piece together her life following the "incident". Once a successful travel writer, she is forced to take whatever job comes her way, which of late is as a clerk in a travel agency. She lives a solitary life as people who know about her situation openly shun her, even to the point of violent actions toward her. She, in turn, fosters that solitary life because of the incident, the aftermath of which has turned her into a meek and scared woman. That incident involved her son Kevin Khatchadourian, who is now approaching his eighteenth birthday. Eva and Kevin have always had a troubled relationship, even when he was an infant. Whatever troubles he saw, Franklin, Eva's complacent husband, just attributed it to Kevin being a typical boy. The incident may be seen by both Kevin and Eva as his ultimate act in defiance against his mother. more at link: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/ |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:31 PM
darkangel218 (4,412 posts)
41. Has anyone else noticed how Hoyt is rec-ing all the gun control threads?
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I feel bad for him.
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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #41)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:38 PM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
42. I miss 'em, too.
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Hoyt's definitely fun, I'll say that much.
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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #42)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:48 PM
tortoise1956 (549 posts)
44. Fun? Not so much
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If I wanted to deal with illogic, I would've stayed married to my Ex...
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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #42)
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 06:59 PM
DonP (3,719 posts)
45. Only if your idea of fun is a guy screaming insults in your face...
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... then alerting on anyone that confronts him with actual facts and counting on a jury of "His" Peers to hide Gungeon threads and eventually ban as many RKBA supporters as they can. In all his time here I can't recall a single time when he ever provided a single link to support the "facts" he spewed as "his opinion".
If I want a chuckle I can always go up to Meta and see him stretching any thread, and a lot that aren't, gun related for several hundred posts with his drivel and lies. His only objective is to lie as much as he needs to to piss people off and into saying something that will get them banned. He's happy, after all, he has his complete collection of photos of Tea Bagger asses with guns in coffee shops and fields. |
Response to darkangel218 (Reply #41)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:48 AM
Atypical Liberal (5,412 posts)
55. How can you tell who recs something?
Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #55)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:56 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
58. Just click on the little box right above the rec box and it will tell you
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who recced it, the one here is by Hoyt, go figure.
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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 08:50 AM
Atypical Liberal (5,412 posts)
56. I'm not willing to make that tradeoff.
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, which would include an exhaustive mental health background check combined with a "may issue" policy, is the only way to weed out these dangerous characters. We can't depend on their mothers dropping a dime.
Events like this are tragic, but thankfully rare. I'm not willing to have to submit to mental health background checks and may issue policies to try and prevent them. That's too much inconvenience on too many people because of the actions of too few. |
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 11:19 PM
Union Scribe (4,716 posts)
63. You are, again, violating DU's (stated) copyright policy
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and the rights of the author and publisher of the article you are stealing from. I will continue finding and informing the editors of those services or publications you steal from until DU decides to get serious about copyright infringement.
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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:27 AM
AtheistCrusader (14,181 posts)
70. hey you forgot to pimp your blog.
Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 03:47 PM
Jenoch (1,640 posts)
71. When someone begins
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to plan a crime, that too is a crime. It's called a conspiracy. Once the planning begins, the person is breaking the law and is no longer a lawful gun owner.
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