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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:46 AM

GreenStormCloud (10,174 posts)

Robbers attack CCWer, one gets shot, other runs away.

http://www2.wspa.com/news/2012/nov/12/13/deputies-scene-greenville-co-shooting-ar-4954058/

It is getting to be such a routine story that few details are given anymore.

SNIP

Investigators tell 7 On Your Side that the victim, who has a Concealed Weapons Permit, fought back when one of the suspects pointed a gun at him. The victim pulled his gun and fired two shots, hitting one of the men in the chest. The other suspect got away.

"Two men opened the passenger door, stuck the gun in his face and said I'm here to rob you. And they started struggling in the car," said Lt. Tim Ridgeway with the Greenville County Sheriff's Office.

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More at link

The robber that was hit was shot twice in the chest. He is in the hospital in serious condition.

Once again it didn't go according to the anti's script. CCWer was able to get his gun, didn't shoot any innocents, was able to correctly identify who the bad guy was, (Kind of obvious. The BG was the one trying to rob him by shoving a gun at him.)

BTW - Most of the self-defense stories I find, I don't post here. I look for ones involving a CCW or something more dramatic about the story. There is another routine armed-robber-goes-to-rob-store-,owner-shoots-kills-robber story that I am not posting. No details, too routine.

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18 replies	Author	Time	Post
Robbers attack CCWer, one gets shot, other runs away. (Original post)	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	OP
What about the claims that defensive gun use almost never occurs? Obviously some one is lying.	ProgressiveProfessor	Nov 2012	#1
...	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#2
Definate failure of the victim selection program.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#3
You found a valid one here.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#4
Street cred and thrills.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#6
Unless you can leave your life and health safely at home, you're always carrying something	petronius	Nov 2012	#8
If I carried a gun, it would be the most valuable thing I would carry.	Starboard Tack	Nov 2012	#13
I'm not seeing any specific information about the victim's gun..	Permanut	Nov 2012	#5
considering the legal hassle of owning one	gejohnston	Nov 2012	#11
Shooting people over stuff just doesn't make sense.	ileus	Nov 2012	#7
My instincts tell me that the CCW holder.....	Bonhomme Richard	Nov 2012	#9
That's likely what happened.	glacierbay	Nov 2012	#10
They always say "The best and fastest holster is your hand"	DonP	Nov 2012	#12
I learned long ago that those "haclkes" are a....	Bonhomme Richard	Nov 2012	#14
Hackles make you look bigger	slackmaster	Nov 2012	#15
Funny. n/t	Bonhomme Richard	Nov 2012	#16
The robber was shot twice in the chest and is now in the hospital?	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#17
Probably a .380.	GreenStormCloud	Nov 2012	#18

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 11:58 AM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

1. What about the claims that defensive gun use almost never occurs? Obviously some one is lying.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:06 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

2. ...

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:16 PM

GreenStormCloud (10,174 posts)

3. Definate failure of the victim selection program.

Program failure may yet cause massive, system wide crash with impossible restart.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:18 PM

Starboard Tack (7,944 posts)

4. You found a valid one here.

The best advice came from the cop.
"Ridgeway says with robberies up in the county, you should always be aware of your surroundings. And you should avoid being outside alone.

If you have to be outside alone, Ridgeway says be alert. Don't get distracted. And pay attention to details, faces and groups of lingering people."

Personally, I can't imagine carrying anything on me worth killing or dying for, but that's just me.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:27 PM

GreenStormCloud (10,174 posts)

6. Street cred and thrills.

Some gang members will kill to build up their "street cred", their reputation as being a real bad ass. Others will kill because they get a feeling of power from it. Some will kill because they are angry that you didn't have enough to pay for their effort in robbing you.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:35 PM

petronius (19,641 posts)

8. Unless you can leave your life and health safely at home, you're always carrying something

worth killing and (ideally not) dying for, right? And that's what the decision to carry or not is about: protection from grievous physical harm. It's not really about how much you value the things you're carrying...

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:32 PM

Starboard Tack (7,944 posts)

13. If I carried a gun, it would be the most valuable thing I would carry.

So it would be a wash at best. I cannot imagine any good coming from it. However, if I lived somewhere it made sense to carry, then I wouldn't hesitate.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:22 PM

Permanut (1,283 posts)

5. I'm not seeing any specific information about the victim's gun..

but since it was apparently concealed, I assume it wasn't an AK-47 or other assault rifle.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:20 PM

gejohnston (12,563 posts)

11. considering the legal hassle of owning one

and the expense of buying them, I highly doubt it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:33 PM

ileus (9,205 posts)

7. Shooting people over stuff just doesn't make sense.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:52 PM

Bonhomme Richard (7,814 posts)

9. My instincts tell me that the CCW holder.....

already had his hand on his own gun when the robber came up to the car. In other words he was paying attention to his surroundings.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:55 PM

glacierbay (2,477 posts)

10. That's likely what happened.

He saw those 2 watching him and the hackles on his neck went up and he prepared himself for what he believed would be a confrontation.
Good call.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 01:23 PM

DonP (3,719 posts)

12. They always say "The best and fastest holster is your hand"

The "gift of fear" is what kept our species alive for a few thousand years.

It has to be relearned by people today now that our major predators are two legged.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 03:07 PM

Bonhomme Richard (7,814 posts)

14. I learned long ago that those "haclkes" are a....

primary survival mechanism.
Subconsciously you pick up on predatory behavior.

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 04:25 PM

slackmaster (60,567 posts)

15. Hackles make you look bigger

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 05:59 PM

Bonhomme Richard (7,814 posts)

16. Funny. n/t

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 06:20 PM

AnotherMcIntosh (7,502 posts)

17. The robber was shot twice in the chest and is now in the hospital?

What did the CCWer use? A 9mm? A .380? A .22?

Has he learn from his experience? If so, what are the odds that he is now in the market for something bigger?

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Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:11 PM

GreenStormCloud (10,174 posts)

18. Probably a .380.

Those are very popular for concealed carry.

I googled but didn't find any other info.

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