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Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:42 AM

Good News from New York - Pro-Gun Control Democrat wins 9th term

Incumbent Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, D-Mineola, was re-elected to her ninth term in Congress Tuesday night.

McCarthy secured nearly 62 percent of the vote, beating back a challenge from Nassau County Legis. Francis Becker, R-Lynbrook, who had the support of 32 percent of the district's voters. Frank Scaturro, C-New Hyde Park, was a distant third, with less than 6 percent.

http://fivetowns.patch.com/articles/election-2012-mccarthy-becker-scaturro-4thcongressional


That means improving the National Instant Criminal Background Check system so those trying to buy through traditional, legal channels are stopped in their tracks. Right now, Congress doesn’t fund the program well enough for it to be effective.

It also means closing the gun-show loophole by requiring a background check for every gun sale in the United States. Such checks would choke the supply chain for illegal gun dealers, who go down to states where background checks aren’t required. So far, the House of Representatives hasn’t even let legislation of this kind receive a debate or a vote.

There are people who think that limiting access to some of the most dangerous consumer products in the world is somehow equivalent to banning them. They see the world in black and white, but that world doesn’t exist.

You can support the Second Amendment while also expecting reasonable precautions to keep innocent Americans — especially the police charged with protecting us — safe. It’s just common sense.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-10-23/news/34686479_1_gun-show-loophole-gun-sale-gun-rampage

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Reply Good News from New York - Pro-Gun Control Democrat wins 9th term (Original post)
SecularMotion Nov 2012 OP
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #1
hack89 Nov 2012 #2
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #7
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #3
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #4
glacierbay Nov 2012 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #6
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #10
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #14
gejohnston Nov 2012 #8
krispos42 Nov 2012 #11
PavePusher Nov 2012 #17
2ndAmForComputers Nov 2012 #27
PavePusher Nov 2012 #28
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #12
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #13
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #15
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #16
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #18
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #19
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #20
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #21
glacierbay Nov 2012 #22
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #23
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #24
glacierbay Nov 2012 #25
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #26
Spryguy Nov 2012 #29

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:11 AM

1. "This means..." What? One person's going to cause all that?

Hopefully, McCarthy will spend her energies on meaningful work, like tax & budget reform, and securing the viability of SS and Medicare.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:15 AM

2. I see she still doesn't understand the constitutional issues regarding private sales. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:39 AM

7. IMHO...

...a demonstrated ignorance of or willful opposition to the Constitution you've sworn to defend should be grounds for impeachment.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:17 AM

3. She's obviously softened her position on gun control.

 

In the past she advocated total registration and a total semi-automatic ban. She opposes self defense as well.

"You can support the Second Amendment while also expecting reasonable precautions to keep innocent Americans ";
Given the history of the bills she's introduced and sponsored I wonder what she means by "support" and "reasonable".

She needs to get specific in order to achieve credibility.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:26 AM

4. Invalid comparison in the article:

We can’t just throw our hands up and say, “Criminals will always get guns.” That’s absurd — we don’t give up in the war on terror because “terrorists will always get bombs.”

In the WoT we don't focus on trying to prevent terrorist from getting explosives. Terrorists will always be able to get bombs. Instead we kill or imprison terrorists. Dead terrorist don't make bombs. And dead criminals won't shoot folks. A cheap way of having more dead criminals is to promote the arming of the law-qabiding citizens. and empowering them to legally defend themselves.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 10:52 AM

5. Oh, you mean

 

Carolyn "shoulder thingy that goes up, heat seaking bullets" McCarthy? Why would you consider it a win for gun control, her position hasn't changed since she was first elected.
The House is controlled by the R's who will not let any new gun control laws pass, the Senate is led by Dem. Harry Reid who is a strong proponent of the RKBA and he won't let any gun control laws come up for a vote.
Bottom line is that there is no gain for the controller.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 11:36 AM

6. I considered many alternatives in responding here.

Last edited Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:50 PM - Edit history (1)

First, I was going to recount the "heat seeking/shoulder thing/..." but that just seemed so cliche.

Then, I thought I might explain "She has made attempts to broaden her policy portfolio, but hasn't been able to shed the label of being a one-issue congresswoman." Which is a song sung by the pro-control folks when the finger is pointing the other way. But that just didn't seem to "sing" for me.

Pointing out that "McCarthy was a registered Republican before her first run for Congress." and that the one-issue in her play book fit the Democrats better than the Republicans and that this makes her party choice one of convenient sponsorship more than fundamental beliefs just looked like it might take a bit too much think before my second cup of coffee.

So in order to really cut to the chase, I'll just say that this OP has been rec'ed by a certain banned poster whose username starts with an "H".

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 01:16 PM

9. Not to mention the proposed ban on frangible bayonets! nt

 

nt

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 02:47 PM

10. That only covers...

...federal bayonet licensees. The bayonet show loophole remains opens open.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #9)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:13 PM

14. That doesn't go far enough

 

what if a citizen makes a bayonet by modifying a kitchen knife with some duct tape?

Think of the children!

We must ban all knives and adhesive materials. Otherwise how are we to end the rampant bayonetings that plague our inner cities?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:43 PM

8. how many as a Democrat?

She ran as a Democrat against the same guy she lost against in a Republican Primary. She was elected in 1997 as a Democrat, but she was still a registered Republican. She changed her registration in 2003.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:29 PM

11. Good News from New York - Democrat wins 9th term

There ya go.

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Response to krispos42 (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:54 PM

17. Meh. If she actually understood anything about the items she wanted to ban, I could at least...

 

bear some intellectual respect for her.

As it stands, Ms. "Shoulder Thing That Goes Up" is simply an embarrasment to decent Democrats and Liberals everywhere.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #17)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 04:33 PM

27. So, should I presume you'd be more pleased had her opponent won?

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Response to 2ndAmForComputers (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 05:09 PM

28. Not at all.

 

I'm saying "Please, for the love of FSM, find a better Democrat."

Please try to not invent something I didn't say or even hint at.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:23 PM

12. AMEN- BRAVO !!!!!!!

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:41 PM

13. GOOD NEWS FROM FLORIDA - WEST LOSES!


Good News- Allen West LOSES with his Gun Advocacy Positions




Allen would Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.

West co-sponsored Firearms Interstate Commerce Reform Act

Congressional Summary:Amends the federal criminal code to:
allow licensed firearms dealers to sell or deliver any firearm (currently, rifles or shotguns) to any state if the licensee meets with the purchaser and the transaction complies with the laws of the state in which the transfer is conducted and the purchaser's state of residence; and
eliminate the requirement that a licensee must conduct business at a gun show only in the state that is specified on the licensee's license.
Nothing in this Act shall prohibit the sale of a firearm or ammunition between licensed firearms dealers at any location in any state.

Proponent's Comments (NRA-ILA, Oct. 14, 2011):

This bill would remove several antiquated and unnecessary restrictions (his words) imposed on interstate firearms business since 1968:
-Virtually all interstate transfers directly between private citizens are banned; so are nearly all interstate handgun sales by licensed dealers.
-Firearms dealers may only do business at their licensed premises or (since 1986) at gun shows in their own state.
-Dealers may not even transfer firearms to one another face to face, away from their business


Did I mention he blames the Holcaust on not having guns? How about his argument government can mandate owning guns if it can mandate regulating guns (virtually every other safety regulation not withstanding).


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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:30 PM

15. That is still not a legislative victory for gun control.

You didn't remove any of our gun rights. You simply blocked our advance on one bill. We have won dozens of other bills and several referendums this year. It has still been a losing year for gun control.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:52 PM

16. Gun Advocate Lost

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Put in win column.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:51 AM

18. Not a win, just a tie.

And the tie was only on that bill. You didn't push back any gun rights. And we had dozens of pro-gun bills become law and several pro-gun referendums passed.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #18)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 07:29 PM

19. My Post Referenced West Losing

Nothing more.....but now that you mention the tally, we have a President who supports an AWB over a Republican who didn't.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 09:09 AM

20. He can't just declare the AWB to be law.

The status of the AWB has not changed. All you have is a tie. No gun rights have been removed yet. Until you get a pro-control bill or regulation passed, you have nothing. Meanwhile, in this year alone, there have been dozens of pro-gun bill that have become law.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #20)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 08:39 AM

21. Sure It Has

See 2008 Platform
See 2012 Platform

Notice what changed?

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 09:22 AM

22. If you're talking about the platform

 

then yeah, that changed, but not gun laws and I can safely say that with the R's in control of the House and Harry Reid, a strong proponent of the RKBA, as the Sen. Majority Leader, there will be no new gun control laws, much less a new AWB, so there is no win here, it's the same status quo.
Pres. Obama can't unilaterally declare an AWB law.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 05:08 PM

23. The platform isn't law. It is a wish list.

Until you have a law or regulation change that is against guns you have nothing.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #23)

Sat Nov 17, 2012, 06:02 PM

24. True

......and a great wish list that Rep McCarthy with her election will make a reality.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #24)

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 11:51 AM

25. Not more gun control laws though

 

Especially with the R's in control of the House and the Senate Dem leader, Harry Reid, who is a staunch RKBA and will not allow any gun control laws to come up for a vote.
Other legislative issues, maybe, we'll see.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #24)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 08:55 AM

26. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!

She will accomplish nothing with regard to gun control. Reality check for you. Over half the House and almost half the Senate has an NRA rating of "A". The leadership of both chambers is solidly pro-gun.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Tue Nov 20, 2012, 11:15 PM

29. I'm not sure...

 

why we are worried about keeping the pigs safe. Don't we pay those fuckers enough to get shot at for us? And they get to wear body armor and guns anywhere they want?

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