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Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:45 AM

Alabama Woman Shot Accidentally by her Husband - No Arrest

Local news reports

A woman was flown to the hospital with injuries after an accidental shooting on County Road 179 in DeKalb County.

Sheriff's deputies said a man was holstering his weapon around 11:30 p.m. Saturday when the gun went off and hit his wife in the side.

Deputies are saying the incident was an accident.


When it comes to shootings, there's no such thing as an accident. It's either on purpose or else it's negligence. If it's negligence then one or more of the 4 Rules of Gun Safety were violated. If that's the case then one strike you're out should apply.

The reason this is important is that many of these negligent gun owners are not making their first mistake ever. And, thanks to the nonchalance with which these incidents are handled, they won't be their last.

What's your opinion? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

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Reply Alabama Woman Shot Accidentally by her Husband - No Arrest (Original post)
mikeb302000 Nov 2012 OP
Tikki Nov 2012 #1
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #13
Tikki Nov 2012 #14
mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #20
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #27
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #29
gejohnston Nov 2012 #2
ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #4
gejohnston Nov 2012 #5
ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #6
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #8
gejohnston Nov 2012 #9
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #10
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #19
mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #21
glacierbay Nov 2012 #24
msongs Nov 2012 #3
ileus Nov 2012 #7
petronius Nov 2012 #11
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #12
tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #16
mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #22
glacierbay Nov 2012 #25
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #28
tortoise1956 Nov 2012 #31
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #15
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #18
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #17
mikeb302000 Nov 2012 #23
glacierbay Nov 2012 #26
AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #30

Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:54 AM

1. I agree with exactly how you proposed it here....

..sad thing.. without any kind of repercussion this gun owner probably will
go on handling his guns in the same negligent manner....

Tikki

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Response to Tikki (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:05 PM

13. What about other kinds of fatal accidents?

Would you follow the same strict rules with cars?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:14 PM

14. Let's see what the investigation turns up...

Yes, nobody should die because they went out for a Sunday drive and a drunk driver crashed into their car.
If this was a truly freak accident than that is what it was...If the husband holstering his gun was drunk or showing off
then he should have some kind of ramifications for his actions.

LET'S SEE WHAT THE INVESTIGATION TURNS UP.


Tikki

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:29 PM

20. The car comparison is what the simple-minded resort to when all else fails. nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:14 PM

27. So instead of addressing the question you resort to insults. I win. N/T

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 10:38 PM

29. Explain how it is simple-minded ...

 

... to compare accidents caused by one machine with accidents caused by another machine.

Cars and Firearms have many things in common. They both ...

... as I pointed out, machines -- that do not act on their own but are acted upon by humans
... cause fatal accidents (however, automobiles cause many more fatal accidents than firearms)
... are sometimes handled by less than responsible individuals
... require a certain amount of training to operate safely
... have uses both recreational and occupational
... could almost completely be replaced by alternatives


The most significant difference between the two from a legal perspective is that owning / using a car ISN'T a right protected by the Constitution (no form of transportation, public or private, is Constitutionally protected) while owning / using a firearm IS.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 01:59 AM

2. still under investigation

and there has to be evidence of a crime. What would you charge him with? That may or may not be true in the misogynistic shit hole of Italy, where Todd Akin's view of rape is mainstream thought, but not in the US.
BTW, can you provide evidence of
The reason this is important is that many of these negligent gun owners are not making their first mistake ever. And, thanks to the nonchalance with which these incidents are handled, they won't be their last.
Is this a problem in Italy? Gun accidents in the US are rare, people having multiple accidents are even more rare.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #2)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:02 AM

4. Why are you talking about Italy?

Did I miss something? It doesn't seem germane to the discussion.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:08 AM

5. He claims to be an expat living in Italy

You are new, you learn these things after awhile.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:18 AM

6. Not new...

I've apparently been here for two and a half years longer than you have.

Your profile lists your home town as Rock Springs, Wyoming... isn't that where there was a huge massacre of Chinese immigrant laborers? Nah, don't worry, I won't hold that against you and imply you're a bigot, even though that's exactly what you tried to do with the OP.

The Italy thng was a bizarre personal attack, but your willingness to play "rape" for cheap points against someone sharing a community with you is appalling.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:10 AM

8. No, it's not a personal attack.

 

It's just interesting that someone living in Italy would have such a passionate interest in American firearm laws.

But then the Mikeb302000 blog is claimed to be owned by "Mikeb302000", who claims to be living in Italy, while simultaneously ownership is claimed by Baldr Odinson AKA Jason A. Kilgore, of Ceasefire Oregon. It's very confusing to follow.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:37 AM

9. actually it was

Last edited Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:46 AM - Edit history (1)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Springs_massacre
There are a couple of things wrong with your comparison
1- the riot was more about labor than it was about race, the coal companies imported Chinese labor and paid them less than the few African Americans and Japanese immigrants, and the much larger number of European immigrants.
2- race relations in Wyoming, even when I was growing up in the 1960s-1970s were light years ahead of not only the south, but also places like LA, and Philadelphia.

I was implying no such thing about Mike. He once posted three things about the US that sucked. He seems to greatly dislike obese people as much as he does gun nuts (if fact, he once posted that obese people should be prohibited from gun ownership for simply being obese). I posted three things about Italy that sucks. One of those things was Italy's institutional misogyny. It had nothing to do with Mike's own opinion.

edit to add another link FWIW
http://uwacadweb.uwyo.edu/robertshistory/rock_springs_massacre_06.htm

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 10:45 AM

10. That he has claimed to be an expat living in Italy is on the record

However, some one in Oregon has also claimed ownership, giving Mike all the hallmarks of an organized group trolling effort.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #6)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:10 AM

19. MikeB ...

 

... has stated one of his reasons for moving to Italy (if he actually lives there at all) is because of their "more civilised" attitude on Gun Control. So, any response highlighting gun violence -- or violence in general -- in Italy are germane to the conversation and not in any way a "personal attack".

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #2)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:30 PM

21. Yeah, sure. Keep saying it, you may convince yourself. nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:39 PM

24. And you have yet to prove

 

anything you have said so far. What proof that many gun owners have already committed crimes? Got any stats for that?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 02:01 AM

3. sad commentatry on the value of women in alabama nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 07:07 AM

7. Well you're right about one thing this was an ND.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 11:07 AM

11. One-strike or zero-tolerance structures are never appropriate in situations without criminal

intent (and only in the rarest of cases when CI is present), especially when that one-strike involves denial of a civil liberty or a fundamental right, nor is it ever acceptable to weight legal penalties based on what we assume must have happened in the past. That's my opinion...

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 03:04 PM

12. I once knew a woman who accidentaly backed her car over her husband, killing him.

Would you apply the same strict standard to her?

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 09:56 PM

16. Depends

If it was clearly an accident, then no. Bad shit happens sometimes.

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Response to tortoise1956 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:32 PM

22. Violation of two of the 4 Safety Rules is not accident, it's negligence. nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:41 PM

25. So what?

 

He made a mistake, that's no reason to lose your gun rights. Have you ever made a mistake Mikey? Ever been in an accident where you were at fault? Think you should lose your license?
Ridiculous.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 04:17 PM

28. Backing her car over her husband violated some car safety rules, so it was negligence too. N/T

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 12:08 AM

31. I was responding to GreenStormCloud's post

about the woman running over her husband. Nothing to do with the OP...sorry for the confusion.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 06:24 PM

15. Hey Mikey,

How are things in Italy?


Italy arrests fisherman who supplied TNT for mafia bombings
Tourists swim in Venice square as heavy rain pounds Italy
Italy-France Clash Has 'Special Taste'-Buffon

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 12:28 AM

17. Are you genuniely unaware ...

 

... that the 4 Rules of Firearm safety aren't, in fact, law?

Do you know the difference between a guide and a law? Do you think people should get the death penalty for not waiting 30 minutes after eating before swimming or for not starving a cold and feeding a fever?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:33 PM

23. "death penalty?" I'm talking about demanding responsible behavior from gun owners.

Why do you resist such an idea?

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 02:44 PM

26. Because your ideas are nothing more than

 

RW authoritarian ideas that should and will be fiercely resisted by gun owners, who are not hidden criminals.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 14, 2012, 11:50 PM

30. I resist all fascist ideas.

Here in the United States we have this goofy anachronism called Due Process.
We also have silly things like trial by jury of your peers. Presumption of innocence.

I don't know about you personally, but this 'hidden criminal' pre-crime bullshit idea is easily encroaching on, or penetrating into fascist territory.

Drop that idea and you might suddenly find a lot of support and agreement for penalties around negligence or criminal negligence with firearms.

(Hint: I support criminal sanction for clearly criminal negligence with a firearm or any implement.)

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