Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:49 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
Obvious conflict of interest in the gun forumThis discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group). It might appear to make sense to make a pro-gun person a group host, because so many posters in the gungeon show virtually no interest in any other issue and post only in the gun forum and on GD discussion threads related to gun issues. Pro-gun posters already dominate this forum and abuse the alerts system in order to silence opposition, and putting one of them in charge of banning/locking decisions just takes this abuse to a whole new level.
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | OP | |
| Clames | Nov 2012 | #1 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #2 | |
| rrneck | Nov 2012 | #3 | |
| DonP | Nov 2012 | #4 | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | #20 | |
| DonP | Nov 2012 | #22 | |
| PavePusher | Nov 2012 | #5 | |
| jody | Nov 2012 | #6 | |
| sarisataka | Nov 2012 | #7 | |
| jody | Nov 2012 | #18 | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | #23 | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | #8 | |
| sarisataka | Nov 2012 | #10 | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | #12 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #19 | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | #21 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #11 | |
| HankyDub | Nov 2012 | #15 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #17 | |
| Union Scribe | Nov 2012 | #13 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #14 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #9 | |
| glacierbay | Nov 2012 | #16 | |
| krispos42 | Nov 2012 | #24 |
Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:53 AM
Clames (2,038 posts)
1. Another patient for the waaambulance to pick up.
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You are days late with this one. Go back to Meta and maybe you'll find a few kindred souls....
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:58 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
2. Here we go again
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:03 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) another whiner about the hosting.
You and DanTex must be tag teaming. Either that or you're one and the same. Just a thought. |
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:59 AM
rrneck (13,766 posts)
3. For those reading this thread
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Feel free to peruse the posts of blocked members. Their posting history will give you all the information you need to evaluate the host here.
And when this OP decides to drag the issue to Meta, at least one of those blocked posters will provide more evidence. |
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:01 AM
DonP (3,719 posts)
4. We'll give your POV all the consideration it deserves ... as a previously banned disruptor
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Nothing like listening to someone that's already been banned at least once from DU, for sage advice.
Go up to Meta and join the chorus of three or four whining there. You can be the tenor, the harmony will be lovely. |
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Response to DonP (Reply #4)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
20. I was not banned for anything related to gun discussions
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:34 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) But for advocating for a third party in a moment of frustration with the president. I understand the reason for that rule and I will not do that again.
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #20)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:36 AM
DonP (3,719 posts)
22. Call us back when you've made some meaningful contributions to the discussion here
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But to show up "again" and start demanding an immediate change in moderators is, at minimum, rude beyond belief.
But then again, based on the behavior of your fellow control oriented travelers, we don't really expect much else from your side of the discussion anyway. |
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:02 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
5. Please cite specific incidents and evidence supporting your claims.
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Also, please cite to evidence of this "bias" you claim.
We'll wait. |
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:09 AM
jody (26,624 posts)
6. I've posted here since the beginning, you since Jun 14. IMO krispos42 is among
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the very best moderators we've ever had.
Have a great day and relax. ![]() |
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:10 AM
sarisataka (2,161 posts)
7. That horse has been well beaten...
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:11 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240161827
and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240159225 and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240160057 and more but I don't feel like looking them up. Would you prefer an anti-gun person with a bias you approve of or do you actually know someone who is neutral on the subject, like Santa Claus? We could do group votes but since this is a haven for RW trolls and everyone who is pro- is a secret NRA member There are plenty of anti- posters and posters here and only 4 people have been banned. I disagree with one (and it is not the one you would expect) but tough, life goes on. Everyone banned pretty much worked to get their dubious honor. It seems the rules are simple. Be civil (mostly) try to discuss a point (at least once in a while) don't repeatedly accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being an extremist, and you can enjoy belonging to this wonderful, dysfunctional family |
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:27 AM
jody (26,624 posts)
18. "this wonderful, dysfunctional family"! Wish I had said that. If anti-RKBA &
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:38 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) pro-RKBA Democrats can't at least find ways to discuss a single issue without resorting to ad hominem attacks then there is ho hope for governing a disparate, divided, polarized society like in these United States.
If that happens, then the Rule of Gold will prevail. ![]() |
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:37 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
23. all this shows me is that man ypeople have noticed krispos' disgraceful behavior.
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and provide more examples of bias and abuse of his position.
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:15 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
8. and the replies here clearly demonstrate what the problem is
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krispos is supported by pro-gun posters because they know he favors their point of view and will use anyu power at his disposal to be favorable to them.
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:21 AM
sarisataka (2,161 posts)
10. would you care to reply to any specific point?
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As I mentioned, were I the omnipotent host, there is one anti who I would not have banned. I have no issue with the pro- who was.
Also I know there may have been some behind the scenes communications with the host and those banned. Not being privy to any such info, I will accept that the hosting is fair. IIRC our host had a thread a while back discussing possible banning so this has not been a sudden arbitrary action. |
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Response to sarisataka (Reply #10)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:24 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
12. Like the "point" about the waaaaahmbulance?
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Don't see many salient points to respond to.
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #12)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:30 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
19. You come here and start a thread you damn well know that is flamebait
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and then complain about a term used? Unbelievable.
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Response to glacierbay (Reply #19)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:32 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
21. I didn't complain.
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It's fine with me. I know that anyone who comes here with a pro-control point of view is going to be flamed automatically by gungeon denizens.
I just don't see any points worth responding to here. |
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:21 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
11. It's not reasonable to expect a group host to be completely neutral
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:23 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) krispos42 has a good knowledge of the subject matter and an even temperament. Those things matter. Ideological conformance to your point of view does not. It's perfectly understandable that someone who has strong feelings about a subject would serve as the host.
There are several regulars in this group who have markedly different viewpoints than those of the host. They are able to post here daily and not get their posts locked or hidden because they conform to the Statement of Purpose and the community standards. |
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #11)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:25 AM
HankyDub (246 posts)
15. the host could be someone who doesn't have an obviously strong bias
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in the direction of the group who already abuse alerts in order to silence people who disagree.
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #15)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:27 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
17. Everyone instance of someone being "silenced" in this group was a result of bad behavior
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Not because of an opinion.
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:24 AM
Union Scribe (4,716 posts)
13. Just more baseless smears on a good DUer.
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You've been asked to be specific in your claims. Put up or shut up, Mr. Hanky.
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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:25 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
14. And if this thread gets locked
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then what? Are you going to follow your comrade in arms and run to Meta and start a thread there bemoaning how Krispos is unfair and your feelings were hurt in the guns group?
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:18 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
9. IBTL
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See you in Meta, HankyDub.
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:26 AM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
16. Oh look everyone
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another troll hunter, take it to Meta, we'll see you there.
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Response to HankyDub (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:39 AM
krispos42 (45,149 posts)
24. Locking
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This properly belongs in Meta.
If there needs to be discussion on changing or adding Group Hosts of this Group, based on what your and DanTex's perception of my Hosting history, we can discuss it here. Start a thread about it. Regards, Krispos42, Group Host |
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