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Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:49 AM

 

Obvious conflict of interest in the gun forum

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

It is utterly insane to give a person with such obvious bias the right to ban posters and lock threads. Krispos is not a neutral arbiter, he/she is a person with a particular point of view and it is clear that he/she has not been able to keep biases out of his/her decisions.

It might appear to make sense to make a pro-gun person a group host, because so many posters in the gungeon show virtually no interest in any other issue and post only in the gun forum and on GD discussion threads related to gun issues. Pro-gun posters already dominate this forum and abuse the alerts system in order to silence opposition, and putting one of them in charge of banning/locking decisions just takes this abuse to a whole new level.

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Reply Obvious conflict of interest in the gun forum (Original post)
HankyDub Nov 2012 OP
Clames Nov 2012 #1
glacierbay Nov 2012 #2
rrneck Nov 2012 #3
DonP Nov 2012 #4
HankyDub Nov 2012 #20
DonP Nov 2012 #22
PavePusher Nov 2012 #5
jody Nov 2012 #6
sarisataka Nov 2012 #7
jody Nov 2012 #18
HankyDub Nov 2012 #23
HankyDub Nov 2012 #8
sarisataka Nov 2012 #10
HankyDub Nov 2012 #12
glacierbay Nov 2012 #19
HankyDub Nov 2012 #21
slackmaster Nov 2012 #11
HankyDub Nov 2012 #15
slackmaster Nov 2012 #17
Union Scribe Nov 2012 #13
glacierbay Nov 2012 #14
slackmaster Nov 2012 #9
glacierbay Nov 2012 #16
krispos42 Nov 2012 #24

Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:53 AM

1. Another patient for the waaambulance to pick up.

 

You are days late with this one. Go back to Meta and maybe you'll find a few kindred souls....

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:58 AM

2. Here we go again

 

another whiner about the hosting.



You and DanTex must be tag teaming. Either that or you're one and the same.
Just a thought.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 10:59 AM

3. For those reading this thread

Feel free to peruse the posts of blocked members. Their posting history will give you all the information you need to evaluate the host here.

And when this OP decides to drag the issue to Meta, at least one of those blocked posters will provide more evidence.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:01 AM

4. We'll give your POV all the consideration it deserves ... as a previously banned disruptor

Nothing like listening to someone that's already been banned at least once from DU, for sage advice.

Go up to Meta and join the chorus of three or four whining there. You can be the tenor, the harmony will be lovely.

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Response to DonP (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:30 AM

20. I was not banned for anything related to gun discussions

 

But for advocating for a third party in a moment of frustration with the president. I understand the reason for that rule and I will not do that again.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:36 AM

22. Call us back when you've made some meaningful contributions to the discussion here

But to show up "again" and start demanding an immediate change in moderators is, at minimum, rude beyond belief.

But then again, based on the behavior of your fellow control oriented travelers, we don't really expect much else from your side of the discussion anyway.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:02 AM

5. Please cite specific incidents and evidence supporting your claims.

 

Also, please cite to evidence of this "bias" you claim.

We'll wait.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:09 AM

6. I've posted here since the beginning, you since Jun 14. IMO krispos42 is among

 

the very best moderators we've ever had.

Have a great day and relax.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:10 AM

7. That horse has been well beaten...

here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240161827
and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240159225
and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240160057
and more but I don't feel like looking them up.

Would you prefer an anti-gun person with a bias you approve of or do you actually know someone who is neutral on the subject, like Santa Claus?
We could do group votes but since this is a haven for RW trolls and everyone who is pro- is a secret NRA member I doubt that you would like that either.

There are plenty of anti- posters and posters here and only 4 people have been banned. I disagree with one (and it is not the one you would expect) but tough, life goes on. Everyone banned pretty much worked to get their dubious honor.

It seems the rules are simple. Be civil (mostly) try to discuss a point (at least once in a while) don't repeatedly accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being an extremist, and you can enjoy belonging to this wonderful, dysfunctional family

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:27 AM

18. "this wonderful, dysfunctional family"! Wish I had said that. If anti-RKBA &

 

pro-RKBA Democrats can't at least find ways to discuss a single issue without resorting to ad hominem attacks then there is ho hope for governing a disparate, divided, polarized society like in these United States.

If that happens, then the Rule of Gold will prevail.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:37 AM

23. all this shows me is that man ypeople have noticed krispos' disgraceful behavior.

 

and provide more examples of bias and abuse of his position.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:15 AM

8. and the replies here clearly demonstrate what the problem is

 

krispos is supported by pro-gun posters because they know he favors their point of view and will use anyu power at his disposal to be favorable to them.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:21 AM

10. would you care to reply to any specific point?

As I mentioned, were I the omnipotent host, there is one anti who I would not have banned. I have no issue with the pro- who was.
Also I know there may have been some behind the scenes communications with the host and those banned. Not being privy to any such info, I will accept that the hosting is fair.


IIRC our host had a thread a while back discussing possible banning so this has not been a sudden arbitrary action.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:24 AM

12. Like the "point" about the waaaaahmbulance?

 

Don't see many salient points to respond to.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:30 AM

19. You come here and start a thread you damn well know that is flamebait

 

and then complain about a term used? Unbelievable.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:32 AM

21. I didn't complain.

 

It's fine with me. I know that anyone who comes here with a pro-control point of view is going to be flamed automatically by gungeon denizens.

I just don't see any points worth responding to here.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:21 AM

11. It's not reasonable to expect a group host to be completely neutral

 

krispos42 has a good knowledge of the subject matter and an even temperament. Those things matter. Ideological conformance to your point of view does not. It's perfectly understandable that someone who has strong feelings about a subject would serve as the host.

There are several regulars in this group who have markedly different viewpoints than those of the host. They are able to post here daily and not get their posts locked or hidden because they conform to the Statement of Purpose and the community standards.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:25 AM

15. the host could be someone who doesn't have an obviously strong bias

 

in the direction of the group who already abuse alerts in order to silence people who disagree.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:27 AM

17. Everyone instance of someone being "silenced" in this group was a result of bad behavior

 

Not because of an opinion.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:24 AM

13. Just more baseless smears on a good DUer.

You've been asked to be specific in your claims. Put up or shut up, Mr. Hanky.

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Response to HankyDub (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:25 AM

14. And if this thread gets locked

 

then what? Are you going to follow your comrade in arms and run to Meta and start a thread there bemoaning how Krispos is unfair and your feelings were hurt in the guns group?

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:18 AM

9. IBTL

 

See you in Meta, HankyDub.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:26 AM

16. Oh look everyone

 

another troll hunter, take it to Meta, we'll see you there.

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Response to HankyDub (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 11:39 AM

24. Locking

This properly belongs in Meta.

If there needs to be discussion on changing or adding Group Hosts of this Group, based on what your and DanTex's perception of my Hosting history, we can discuss it here. Start a thread about it.

Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host

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