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Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:36 PM

A vote for crime control

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"Firearms have been around for over 400 years, yet it is only in the last 20 years that people have begun shouting "gun control". Why then, only recently, has this become such an issue? Moreover, why are there more mass-murderers than at any other time in our known history? It is not because weapons are more powerful -- 200-year-old muzzle-loaders have a much greater force-per-round than today's "assault rifles". It is not because weapons are semi- or fully-automatic -- rapid-fire weapons have been available for most of the last century. It is not due to a lack of laws -- we have more "gun control" laws than ever. It IS, however, because we have chosen to focus on "gun control" instead of crime control or "thug control." It IS because only recently has the public become complacent enough to accept, by inaction, the violence present in our society." - Kevin Langston, Tuesday, 29 October, 1991

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Reply A vote for crime control (Original post)
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 OP
ThatPoetGuy Nov 2012 #1
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #2
oneshooter Nov 2012 #3
Berserker Nov 2012 #36
gejohnston Nov 2012 #4
PavePusher Nov 2012 #5
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #6
rrneck Nov 2012 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #14
PavePusher Nov 2012 #9
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #15
PavePusher Nov 2012 #27
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #31
-..__... Nov 2012 #34
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #35
glacierbay Nov 2012 #7
glacierbay Nov 2012 #22
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #28
oneshooter Nov 2012 #29
holdencaufield Nov 2012 #30
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #32
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #33
glacierbay Nov 2012 #10
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #16
glacierbay Nov 2012 #18
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #21
glacierbay Nov 2012 #23
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #25
PavePusher Nov 2012 #11
glacierbay Nov 2012 #13
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #19
ileus Nov 2012 #12
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #17
glacierbay Nov 2012 #20
discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #24
glacierbay Nov 2012 #26
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #37

Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 07:52 PM

1. "Thug control" -- a typically racist notion.

Even if we don't go back to the 14th-century origin of the word thug, with its specificity toward Indian ethnic backgrounds, we can look right around today to the usage. Black communities have leveraged the word to remove its power from the racists who have wielded it against them for decades.

As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them.

Also:

the white conservative movement in the U.S.A. has adopted it as a substantive replacement for the vulgar and toxic term "nigger" which is no longer safe for use in most media channels.

Also:

A term used by racist white people that means "black Americans who obviously did something wrong even if I know nothing about them and commit crimes and destroy American sports".

Also:

George Zimmerman shot and killed thug Trayvon Martin.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug

The argument that "we have more gun control laws than ever" is a deceptive one, since the laws have been consistently undercut by well-financed propaganda outfits, who often use racist diatribes like this one, which can be accurately paraphrased: "Guns don't kill people; n----rs kill people."

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:08 PM

2. re: "Thug control" -- a typically racist notion.

So that's how you perceive the word? If so you may be right. You may be a racist.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:16 PM

3. I prefer "Goblin". They are green, evil, small minded, and smell bad.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 06:26 PM

36. Nope thems watcha call republicans n/t

 

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:24 PM

4. Funny, after his stroke, my FIL used to watch Judge Mathus

and Judge Mathus used the term thug referring to street criminals.

thug
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noun
1.
a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2.
( sometimes initial capital letter ) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/thug

a brutal ruffian or assassin : gangster, tough

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thug

The word is actually older than that, it is a loan word derived from the Hindi and Urdu word for thief.

BTW, when the British used it, it had a specific meaning
http://www.oed.com/search?searchType=dictionary&q=thug&_searchBtn=Search

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:34 PM

5. Wow.

 

As Tupac defined it, a thug is someone who is going through struggles, has gone through struggles, and continues to live day by day with nothing for them.

Sorry, but Tupac doesn't get to over-ride Webster's Unabridged, Second Edition without some more scholastic weight behind him.


the white conservative movement in the U.S.A. has adopted it as a substantive replacement for the vulgar and toxic term "nigger" which is no longer safe for use in most media channels.

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A term used by racist white people that means "black Americans who obviously did something wrong even if I know nothing about them and commit crimes and destroy American sports".

Really? Cite to source, please?


George Zimmerman shot and killed thug Trayvon Martin.

Remains to be determined by a court. I'd say the public evidence is somewhat ambiguous, but Zimmerman has certainly gone out of his way to put himself in a very bad light.


The argument that "we have more gun control laws than ever" is a deceptive one, since the laws have been consistently undercut by well-financed propaganda outfits, who often use racist diatribes like this one, which can be accurately paraphrased: "Guns don't kill people; n----rs kill people."

We eagerly await your cites to evidence.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #5)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:41 PM

6. So if use of the word "thug"...

...characterizes the user as a racist, what does that say about those of us calling Republicans "rethugs"?

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:44 PM

8. Yep. Complicated. nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:53 PM

14. This may chance to segue into...

..."The government hates rap." "Tupac got shot on the strip." "If you wanna get away with murder, all you gotta do is shoot someone and then put a demo tape their pocket." (Chris Rock)

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:46 PM

9. Obviously, you'd be a gang of bigoted fuckwads.

 

But this is simply all about misplaced projection, and can thus be safely relegated to the realm of fevered imagination.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:54 PM

15. Guilty as charged.

Fine me, jail me.
Stamp me, mail me.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #15)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:09 PM

27. I hearby sentance you to drown your sins in a pint...

 

of beer. Go forth and do try to sin a bit less, there's a good lad...

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #27)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:33 PM

31. cheers

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 02:25 PM

34. Conversley...

 

in certain quarters, I'd be called a "union thug", and I'm as white as Andy Williams.

I've seen the term "thugs in Congress" used numerous times here on DU.

Last time I checked... the US Congress is overwhelmingly white.

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Response to -..__... (Reply #34)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 03:24 PM

35. I think there is some...

..."assault reasoning" going on here. Maybe...

If:
- you are pro-gun rights
- speak more than 10 words and
- one of them is thug (or certain other listed words)
then, you are a pro-gun racist.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:43 PM

7. How the fuck is the term thug control, racist?

 

The term, thug, covers all forms of criminas, white, black, asians, whatever. I notice that you have a habit of calling a term you don't like racist.
I'm white and I use the terms thugs, perps, dirtbags, criminals, so what? I'm not refering to the race of the person, I'm refering to the fact that they are law breakers. I have AA cops in my Division that use the same terms, explain that.

Your whole post smells like a pile of



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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:10 PM

22. Why don't you post the results of your alert?

 

I mean, after all, you say it's racist which is against the rules on DU, so I assume that you hit the alert button.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:15 PM

28. In actual fact ...

 

Thug is a Hindi word and refers to a cult of murderers that existed since the 14 Century in India

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #28)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:19 PM

29. "Thug" a shortened version of "Thuggee" from India

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #29)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 10:22 PM

30. Precisely -- so, techncially ---

 

-- it would only be racist if applied to Indians.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:44 PM

32. I am not pro-thug, poet. Are you?

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 12:19 PM

33. Not expecting an answer are you? n/t

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:47 PM

10. I'd like to have Dr. Dan

 

come here and explain how he would disarm the population.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:00 PM

16. Oh please...

...too easy!

But first, let me ask you remember seeing Vanna White on Johnny Carson way back when. Johnny had asked about her job and her qualifications. Vanna said "I'm a letter turner." Her qualifications: "I know all the letters."

But I believe to disarm the population only requires that you take away all the guns.

Right??

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #16)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:05 PM

18. His answer would probably go something like this,

 

That's not my job, that's the job of the police and military.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:08 PM

21. OH!

The magic P and M squad deriving its unlimited power from the total improbability drive.

I'd have to huff glue for month to think up ideas like that.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:13 PM

23. I can assure you that

 

I would have no part of disarming the population, I value my life too much, and most cops would feel the same way.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #23)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:17 PM

25. You are in the overwhelming majority.

Thanks for your service.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:47 PM

11. Racist this, racist that.... I'm starting to wonder.....

 

Hoyt-zombie or Hoyt-sockpuppet?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:51 PM

13. I thought about that

 

but those posts are to detailed which Hoyt wasn't known for.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:05 PM

19. shrug

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 08:50 PM

12. Excellent! However, they still don't approve your message of not blaming the gun.

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Response to ileus (Reply #12)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:04 PM

17. they can now...

...unknot their shorts. I got rid of (mostly) the "th" word.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #17)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:08 PM

20. I know you changed it as a slap at the whiner,

 

but my opinion is that you should have left it as is, fuck em.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #20)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:15 PM

24. In reality....

...I got up at 5 AM EST and flew to LA. I've been at work for 7 hours having changed the same spec back and forth four times for reasons that I'm no longer paying attention to. I've been awake for 15 hours on 4 hours sleep. I just think it's funny. I think they should sit on a block of ice while having the hiccups and inhale their own face. I'm a bit slaphappy that's all.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #24)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 09:17 PM

26. Understood

 

I thought it was funny also, a slap at that poster. I expect a thread in Meta complaining how the gungeon is full of RW racists.

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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)

Tue Nov 6, 2012, 11:52 PM

37. You Gun Owners Talk Among Yourself!

LOL

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