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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:49 PM

 

Maybe it's been posted before but a documented source of firearms used in self defense

http://gunssavelives.net/

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Reply Maybe it's been posted before but a documented source of firearms used in self defense (Original post)
former-republican Nov 2012 OP
PavePusher Nov 2012 #1
Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #2
PavePusher Nov 2012 #4
gejohnston Nov 2012 #5
PavePusher Nov 2012 #6
former-republican Nov 2012 #8
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #10
PavePusher Nov 2012 #12
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #3
ileus Nov 2012 #7
jody Nov 2012 #9
DanTex Nov 2012 #11
MicaelS Nov 2012 #13
gejohnston Nov 2012 #15
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #16
gejohnston Nov 2012 #14
GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #17
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #18

Response to former-republican (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:26 PM

1. Someone will soon be along to disparage your cited site as...

 

right-wing, conservative, biased, lying, distorted, racist, fear-mongering, gun whacko/cultist/culture promoting, apocalytic, deranged, unhealthy, fattening, causes cancer, pollutes D.U., pollutes the earth, pollutes our bodily fluids, harms children, promotes "vigilante justice", advocates insurrection, bashes police, spreads shingles, syphilus and gingivitus, empowers criminals, hides criminals, harms animals, kills baby seals, depletes the ozone layer, attacks teachers and unions, defunds schools, pushes militias, supports the NRA, the KKK, the CIA and the NFA, causes flat tires, scab hires and forest fires, erosion, climate change and SuperFund sites, enables strip mining and mountain-top removal, is the force behind all injustice and body odor, and wants to defund Sesame Street.

Did I miss anything?

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:30 PM

2. "causes flat tires, scab hires and forest fires"

I'm definitely using this!

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #2)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:43 PM

4. Inspirational credit due to Click and Clack. My heros. n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:53 PM

5. you forgot

Red Dawn watching, NASCAR loving, Skoal chewing, book burning, climate science denying, Bible thumping, Book of Mormon thumping, French hating, cousin kissing,

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:55 PM

6. That's me, always leaving out the obvious..... 8>P n/t

 

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 08:09 PM

8. lol

 

nice list

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:43 PM

10. In light of Digital's fate, anti-sematic?

On second blush, I'm leaving the spelling.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #10)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 01:34 PM

12. I see what you did there....

 

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 03:38 PM

3. Thanks. N/T

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 06:08 PM

7. The forum is dead....maybe we should all join.

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Sun Nov 4, 2012, 10:06 PM

9. Also consider "Weapon Use by Offense Type" at

 

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Response to former-republican (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:51 PM

11. Hey, look everyone! Anecdotal evidence!

Meanwhile, in the real world...
This article summarizes the scientific literature on the health risks and benefits of having a gun in the home for the gun owner and his/her family. For most contemporary Americans, scientific studies indicate that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit. The evidence is overwhelming for the fact that a gun in the home is a risk factor for completed suicide and that gun accidents are most likely to occur in homes with guns. There is compelling evidence that a gun in the home is a risk factor for intimidation and for killing women in their homes. On the benefit side, there are fewer studies, and there is no credible evidence of a deterrent effect of firearms or that a gun in the home reduces the likelihood or severity of injury during an altercation or break-in. Thus, groups such as the American Academy of Pediatrics urge parents not to have guns in the home.


http://www.es.iansa.org/system/files/Risks%20and%20Benefits%20of%20a%20Gun%20in%20the%20Home%202011.pdf

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:13 PM

13. Since you have stated over here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=83659

DanTex (2,590 posts) Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:13 AM
31. The pro-gun position is comparable to things like global warming denial and militarism.

First, it glorifies violence. It also exploits paranoia and fear -- it's not a coincidence that the militia nuts are mostly far-righters. I've seen people on this board argue that using deadly force to protect property, even when there is no risk to life, is justified. Also, the dehumanizing of petty criminals ("thugs" as the gunners like to call them) is incompatible with a progressive view that, while holding people responsible for their actions, also understands that a teenager trying to steal a car stereo or a wallet is not some kind of sub-human animal whose life is worthless.

All this is all very similar to the attitudes of right-wingers towards war, and also towards things like torture. In addition to glorifying violence as a solution to problems, it also involves a simplistic "good guys versus bad guys" view of the world in order to avoid any kind of moral ambiguity.

The pro-gun ideology also puts public safety at risk for some phony concept of "freedom". The idea that lax gun laws make us safer because criminals will be deterred by armed citizens is an Ayn Randian fantasy. The idea that it's worth suffering higher levels of homicide and gun violence as a society in order to provide individuals the right to try to defend themselves is perhaps not quite so crazy, but it certainly has libertarian underpinnings. If you just look at what is in the best interest of society, it makes no sense to have gun laws so lax that even with a gun, you are more likely to be murdered than a person without a gun in a low-gun country.

And finally, there is the denial of reality. I've had many discussions with people here in the gungeon, all of whom seem convinced that every single gun violence researcher, that Harvard, Johns Hopkins, UCDavis, Duke, etc., and that the editorial boards of the peer reviewed journals are all somehow part of an anti-gun conspiracy. The refusal to to accept empirical reality, the silly cherry-picking of data to defend an ideological agenda, and the general distrust of science is pretty much identical to what I've seen from global warming deniers. In fact, right now there is an OP presenting a non-peer-reviewed article, published in a right-wing law review, written by two pro-gun advocates who have no evident background in science or statistics, and which contains serious factual errors. The article is masquerading as a "Harvard study" and is receiving rave reviews from the pro-gunners.

Progressives on the whole are more scientifically literate than that. It is not a coincidence that people who would put climate at risk to preserve the "right" to pump CO2 into the atmosphere are the same people who can justify enduring epidemic levels of gun violence to preserve the "right" to virtually unfettered gun access.


That anything pro-gun is RW, Libertarian, Anti-Progressive, Anti-Reality based and Scientifically Illiterate, I wouldn't trust you in the slightest, to post anything from any scientific literature that validates the RKBA in any way, shape fashion or form.

You would simply stick your fingers in your ears and yell "la-la-la-la".

BTW, I'm glad you made that post on November 1st. It shows just how extreme is your position.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #13)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:34 PM

15. yes he would, including

those found in peer reviewed criminology journals.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #13)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 06:55 PM

16. Didn't PavePush just push this? Sounds redundant. nt

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 02:23 PM

14. hey look everyone, another shill piece

by an ideologue that no one reads or takes seriously.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 08:17 PM

17. As usual they don't try to distinguish between legal and illegally owned firearms.

It is not a secret that violent criminals are often abusive to their domestic partners, and usually use guns in their abuse. A gun in the home of a violent criminal is a strong risk, because the goblin himself is a strong risk.

Law-abiding owners rarely use guns in the manner you describe.

Since the study does not attempt to separate the violent criminals from the law-abiding, the study is worthless.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Tue Nov 13, 2012, 09:16 PM

18. Wow . . .

 

There are real and imaginary situations
when it might be beneficial to have
a gun in the home. For example, in the
Australian film Mad Max, where survivors
of the apocalypse seem to have
been predominantly psychopathic male
bikers, having a loaded gun would seem
to be very helpful for survival, and public
health experts would probably advise
people in that world to obtain guns.


Cool blog bro.

/suicides are no different than homicides!

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