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Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:40 AM

Are there any liberal militias I can join?

The reason I ask is not because I actually want to join a militia. Rather, it is related to a commonly discussed topic in the gungeon, which is whether or not gun control is a liberal policy. For example, there was a recent OP in the gungeon entitled "Does not agreeing with the DNC about gun control make me less of a Democrat?"

Anyway, back to militias. The question "Are there any liberal militias I can join?" is obviously a rhetorical question, used to make the point that most pro-gun extremists, like the militia people, tend to come from the fringe right.

But y'all knew that. The question is, why would an OP making this point get locked?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117283705

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Reply Are there any liberal militias I can join? (Original post)
DanTex Nov 2012 OP
geckosfeet Nov 2012 #1
DanTex Nov 2012 #3
geckosfeet Nov 2012 #12
Kolesar Nov 2012 #2
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #17
Kolesar Nov 2012 #22
glacierbay Nov 2012 #26
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #28
LiberalEsto Nov 2012 #4
ileus Nov 2012 #5
Atypical Liberal Nov 2012 #6
Trunk Monkey Nov 2012 #7
Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #8
ileus Nov 2012 #10
rrneck Nov 2012 #21
ileus Nov 2012 #9
DanTex Nov 2012 #11
glacierbay Nov 2012 #13
rDigital Nov 2012 #16
lector Nov 2012 #14
glacierbay Nov 2012 #15
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #18
rrneck Nov 2012 #19
krispos42 Nov 2012 #20
slackmaster Nov 2012 #23
aikoaiko Nov 2012 #24
rrneck Nov 2012 #31
hack89 Nov 2012 #25
MADem Nov 2012 #27
ProgressiveProfessor Nov 2012 #30
DonP Nov 2012 #29
jody Nov 2012 #32
hack89 Nov 2012 #33
jody Nov 2012 #34
hack89 Nov 2012 #36
jody Nov 2012 #37
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #35

Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:46 AM

1. How many posts are you going to make whining about a locked post?

As for your question about militia's - why don't you look into your states firearms laws? See what licensing requirements are. See if any of that interests you. Register for and meet all the requirements for the license of your choice. Join a local gun club. Talk to people along the way, including the administering police departments etc. and see how many militia members are waiting with open arms to sign you up.

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Response to geckosfeet (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:51 AM

3. Just two, one for each inappropriately locked post.

Thanks for your answer to the militia question. But you didn't answer the other one. Do you think that the subject matter of this OP is so off-topic that it should be locked?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #3)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:53 AM

12. That's up to the forum mods. I agree with his comment, however I would have phrased it differently.

In general I think that you will find most gun rights groups and organizations will tilt heavily to the right. Annoyingly so. IMO, disgustingly so.

I can understand one issue voting, but many enthusiasts are openly disdainful of democrats and liberals. My answer there is - learn to deal with it and focus on the second amendment.

The 2A is just as important as the 1A - and the rest. I don't think that you can pick and choose what applies when it comes to the Bill of Rights. However in today's culture, there are a host ancillary social and economic issues that must be confronted and dealt with to insure the continued freedom to keep and bear arms.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 09:49 AM

2. "The Klan" had some negatives, so they renamed it "the militia movement" eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #2)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:21 AM

17. Actually there are some distinct differences

Though clearly some groups bridge the gap. For example, there have been black militia groups, including the old and new Black Panthers and the Deacons for Defense.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:45 AM

22. That's bullshit...eom

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:12 PM

26. Why?

 

Because you say so? Point out where the poster is wrong.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #22)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:38 PM

28. What ignorance on your part

The Deacons for Defense were clearly a militia as were the old Black Panthers at one point.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:10 AM

5. Sure sign on here if you so desire to be part of the DU RKBA militia

I just started the DU RKBA militia, anyone can join just reply to this post.

We'll start discussing P&P's, elections, board members, ect... after 1 week from today with the initial member list.


1. No "we're gonna overthrow" the government types.

2. No obvious trolls, only serious progressives willing to build a community of like minded 2A supporters.



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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:16 AM

6. What state do you live in?

 

Let me know what state you live in and I will see what I can look up for militia options for you.

Bear in mind there are no militias as existed in the founders' day.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:21 AM

7. Assumimg you are from Texas

 

Perhaps you should contact these folks

http://www.txsg.state.tx.us/

"TEXANS SERVING TEXAS"

The Texas State Guard (TXSG) is one of three branches of the Texas Military Forces (TXMF), reporting to The Texas Adjutant General located at Texas Military Forces HQ, Camp Mabry (Austin), Texas. The Commander in Chief of the Texas Military Forces is the Governor of Texas. The other two branches are the Texas Army National Guard (TXARNG) and the Texas Air National Guard (TXANG).

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:28 AM

8. You Are a Liberal Militia of One - stay regulated -

keep your arms clean and in good working order. A supply of ammo for each arm. Practice on a regular basis.

Be prepared and ready to answer your country's call to arms.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:29 AM

10. Well said.

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Response to Tuesday Afternoon (Reply #8)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:32 AM

21. Bullseye. mt

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:28 AM

9. What do militias have to do with SD firearm use and policy?

"Are there any liberal militias I can join?" is obviously a rhetorical question,



So you admit the OP was an poor attempt at trolling the 2A forum.



Kinda like delicate flowers, toter baser gunners stormfront type comments are for no reason but to disrupt threads.



Maybe militia questions should be directed toward DU's military forum, or the State the OP lives in.

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Response to ileus (Reply #9)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:34 AM

11. I explained that in my OP.

It has to do with whether support for gun control is a liberal policy. This is not "trolling", it is a legitimate topic that many people, including pro-gun people discuss here frequently.

You need to recognize that the gungeon is not meant to be a safe haven for RKBA supporters. There are also GC supporters in here, and the fact that right-wing craziness runs rampant within the gun culture is surely a legitimate point to make.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:56 AM

13. Yeah,

 

you are trolling, just like you constantly accuse us of being RW troll in Meta.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:14 AM

16. You know exactly what you are doing. Disrupting and inflaming, not discussing as you claim. nt

 

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:56 AM

14. Just my 2 cents.

I am an Ind. Lib. I served my country honorably. I did not allow one in my home when my children were growing up.However, living in the Panhandle of Fl. I saw close up what happened during the aftermath of Katrina. We now have a large dog, (that gives momma the time she needs to get to a weapon), ready to go Shotguns, & other personal defense items. It's not just the looters we need to watch out for, but those who will abuse the power that “we the people” have given them. Please! please! please! If you own a weapon make dam sure you train regularly with the weapon you use.

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Response to lector (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 10:58 AM

15. Good post

 

Welcome to DU and the gungeon.
I also served my country as a soldier in the same war as you, now I'm a LT. for a police dept. in MO. I regularly train on my dept. issued G21, I also train on my dept. issued Remington 870 shotgun and also my personal AR-15 that I carry in my patrol car.
I am a staunch gun rights supporter and I also staunchly support law abiding citizens being able to obtain a CC permit if they meet MO's qualifications.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:24 AM

18. There is a state militia in California

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_State_Military_Reserve

Though they are using the term military reserve vice militia these days out of political correctness

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:30 AM

19. If the left had been half as militant as we like to sound

we might not be in this mess today.

Too many liberals spent the last thirty years profiting from conservative policies. Do you really think conservatives were the only ones portfolio padding, house flipping, toy buying and lifestyle enhancing in this country?

If the left gets hungry enough the militias will show up. That's why this election is so important. Maybe you should take up the issue at your next round table meeting at Starbucks. Surely there's a survey study out there somewhere that will suit you.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:30 AM

20. Because wanting a to join a militia belongs in Outdoor Life.

Of course, the terms of service prohibit people calling for the violent political or social change, which would seem to be one aspect of the militia types, but I don't think that's what you're doing here.


Militia members seem to want to spend a lot of time camping, hiking, learning wilderness survival, and target shooting, which points towards Outdoor Life.


However, if you want to have a discussion about what kind of gun to buy so you can prepare for armed self-defense after the US government collapses, feel free to start a thread about that.


Bear in mind that for hunting for food after the US government collapses, though, you'll need to go to Outdoor Life.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 11:56 AM

23. The place you should be looking is the laws of your state of residence

 

You'll find the state's militia clearly defined, including its composition, command structure, and your obligations.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:04 PM

24. The first rule of liberal militia club is don't talk about liberal militia club.


Sorry Dan. Your application has been rejected.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #24)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:52 PM

31. Thread win.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:10 PM

25. So what about us non-extremist?

because we are not members of the fringe right.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 12:15 PM

27. Your state national guard might have an opening.

That's a rather ecumenical grouping, with a range of political perspectives from liberal to conservative.

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Response to MADem (Reply #27)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:39 PM

30. In California there is a state militia that is in many ways a backup to the National Guard

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Sat Nov 3, 2012, 02:39 PM

29. Ask your friend Hoyt

He seems to be the official photographer of militias based on his extensive collection of pictures of them. He must have some contacts to help you out.

You'll find him up whining in Meta now.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:23 AM

32. By law, legal militias include the organized and unorganized militias. Suggest you visit the links

 

below and learn more about your options.

State Guard Association of the United States (SGAUS) and State defense force

If you are between 17 and 45 and male, and not in an excepted position, you are already a member of the unorganized militia under federal law, 10 USC 311 - Militia: composition and classes

State laws are different and in one state, all people between 17 and 64 are part of the militia, see http://legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=85523

Finally, congress has been derelict in performing its duties under our Article I of our Constitution, "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia."

That responsibility includes the unorganized militia that is unorganized, unarmed, and undisciplined.

The above laws apply equally to conservative, liberal, and all other political persuasions.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 11:42 AM

33. So your point is that none of us here are extremist because we do not belong to militias?

that sounds about right.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #33)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:02 PM

34. "do not belong to militias?" See #32 because most DUers do belong to militias. nt

 

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Response to jody (Reply #34)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:18 PM

36. I am referring to the OP's unique and self serving definition of militia. nt

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Response to hack89 (Reply #36)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:25 PM

37. Understand & I cite facts to educate the ignorant. "Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but

 

not their own facts" as Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said.

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Response to DanTex (Original post)

Mon Nov 5, 2012, 12:03 PM

35. Try the Socialist Party U.S.A., if they are still around.nt

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