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Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:38 PM

Palm Coast man gets 25 years in accidental shooting of his wife

A Palm Coast man was sentenced Monday to 25 years in prison on a manslaughter charge in the February shooting death of his 30-year-old wife.

The Flagler County Sheriff’s Office said Merrill was pointing an AK-47 with a laser scope at his wife, Stefanie Merrill, talking about how bright the light was when the assault rifle went off and struck her in the chest. The couple’s 3-year-old daughter was in the home taking a bath when the shooting occurred.

The Sheriff’s Office said 25 firearms were recovered from their home.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-10-29/story/palm-coast-man-gets-25-years-accidental-shooting-his-wife#ixzz2AundyTQC

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Reply Palm Coast man gets 25 years in accidental shooting of his wife (Original post)
SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
12AngryBorneoWildmen Oct 2012 #1
rrneck Oct 2012 #13
12AngryBorneoWildmen Nov 2012 #37
rrneck Nov 2012 #40
MissMarple Oct 2012 #2
slackmaster Oct 2012 #3
Logical Oct 2012 #7
slackmaster Oct 2012 #9
Logical Oct 2012 #10
fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #17
slackmaster Nov 2012 #36
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #38
slackmaster Nov 2012 #39
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #41
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #43
slackmaster Nov 2012 #44
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #47
gejohnston Nov 2012 #48
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #49
gejohnston Nov 2012 #50
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #51
gejohnston Nov 2012 #52
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #14
Logical Oct 2012 #15
DreamGypsy Oct 2012 #4
former-republican Oct 2012 #5
RegieRocker Oct 2012 #6
darkangel218 Oct 2012 #8
fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #11
friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #18
fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #19
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #20
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #21
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #24
ileus Oct 2012 #12
fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #16
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #22
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #23
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #25
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #26
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #27
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #28
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #29
ileus Nov 2012 #33
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #35
friendly_iconoclast Nov 2012 #42
fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #45
gejohnston Nov 2012 #46
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #31
Remmah2 Nov 2012 #30
ileus Nov 2012 #34
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #32
freedomboogie Nov 2012 #53


Response to 12AngryBorneoWildmen (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:09 PM

13. What's good about it? nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #13)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:06 AM

37. Just the sentencing.

The first 6 words of the post.

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Response to 12AngryBorneoWildmen (Reply #37)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:25 PM

40. So agreed. nt

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:44 PM

2. Oh my God.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:56 PM

3. Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools

 

Yet another example of someone simultaneously violating two or more of the rules.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:48 PM

7. You and I disagree on this. Who teaches chain saw safety in schools? Or swimming?

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Response to Logical (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:05 PM

9. Band saw safety and table saw safety were taught in my 7th grade woodshop class

 

If I lived in an area that had more trees, there's a good chance that chainsaw safety would have been taught in a silviculture course, or Introduction to Art Making.



Or swimming?

We didn't have a pool at my high school, but my elementary school back in the 1960s had a deal with the YMCA across the street - Swimming lessons were available to all kids at very low cost.

BTW I have often said that all children should be given an opportunity to learn to swim. That would be very likely to save lives IMO.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:12 PM

10. Guns would be way down on the list. As you know gun accidents kill very few kids a year.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:42 PM

17. Guns?

I'm sure you think there is a connection to guns but you haven't made it.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:05 AM

36. Unsecured guns constitute an environmental hazard, like unsecured rattlesnakes

 

There is a significant probability that a person is going to encounter one of the following in his or her life:

- A loaded gun that was negligently dropped by its owner,

- A loaded gun that was thrown away in haste by a criminal,

- A person who is handling a gun irresponsibly.

I have seen all of those. I think every child should be taught explicitly how to deal with those situations.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:14 AM

38. How about we just keep children away from guns

....rather than indoctrinating them in gun culture.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 11:16 AM

39. Why are you opposed to teaching children a valuable survival skill?

 

I've been a parent. Let me tell you one important thing about children:

They grow up. As they mature, your ability to control them and their environment rapidly fades away. By the time they're 12 or 13 years old, there are long stretches of time when they are out of your sight.

The most important thing parents and schools can do are teaching them how to think for themselves, and how to survive.

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:07 PM

41. Ignorance really does = strength for certain people- the "abstinence only" types...

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #39)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:10 PM

43. You ask

You ask. 'Why are you opposed to teaching children a valuable survival skill?'

I don't consider having a gun a survival skill. In fact, I think it has a far greater probability of being used to kill rather than save anyone's life. And the notion that you can't survive without a gun is false: Survival depends on living with less not more. In fact, teaching you kids how to live without the comfort of a gun is arguably preparing them how to really survive.

You write: 'The most important thing parents and schools can do are teaching them how to think for themselves, and how to survive.' I agree completely and thinking/surviving doesn't require a gun.'

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:15 PM

44. I've never suggested that a person couldn't survive without a gun

 

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Response to slackmaster (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:27 PM

47. Ok

and I am arguing that preparing them to live without a gun makes them far more capable and resourceful.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:29 PM

48. how about a bow?

or just drop the kid off in the wilderness and have him make his own knife out of a rock?

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #48)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:35 PM

49. Nah

...that's not survival....that's fiction.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:40 PM

50. want to bet?

there are schools that can teach it. There is a guy in Ohio that runs such a school. His definition of an ideal gun is a single shot 12 gauge.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #50)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:47 PM

51. Bet What?

What is your point? Someone runs an archery school or a gun school? And that means you can 'survive' what.... Life? Gosh, ok......we're not having a 'real' or same conversation.

I would argue it is far harder and much more difficult to survive without any weapon and if you can teach that to your children...you are doing a far greater service for them than a gratuitous gun on the false premise that is survival.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #51)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:00 PM

52. no,

he really teaches you how to make a knife out of a rock, fire with bow drill. Aboriginal skills do serve a purpose, as does any education.
Growing up, we never viewed our guns as weapons in the same sense you do. BTW, survive what? Depending what it is you are trying to survive, being weaponless could make surviving more difficult. That would be self evident. In day to day life, it is mostly irrelevant.
What would the point of teaching your kid that would be exactly?

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Response to Logical (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:27 PM

14. I was taught safe use of several power saws, safety while swimming (in lakes, most often),

and I taught my fellow 8th graders how to safely clean a shotgun (which I brought to school).

How we did school in the 50s/60s.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:29 PM

15. I had to take shop also in the 70s. Things sure do change. Not even drivers ed at my kids school.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:57 PM

4. Worth noting that he pleaded guilty to the manslaughter charge.


From the link:

William Carson Merrill, 33, pleaded guilty Oct. 1 and had faced up to 30 years in prison.


Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-10-29/story/palm-coast-man-gets-25-years-accidental-shooting-his-wife#ixzz2Aus6dQcH

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:14 PM

5. The rifle did not go off

 

he shot her.

Now the little girl grows up without a mom or dad.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:41 PM

6. I watched a show

 

on this story. She hated guns and this guy (husband) is a liar. It was no accident. It was murder.

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Response to RegieRocker (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:56 PM

8. +1

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:52 PM

11. 25 Years For Killing Wife With One of 25 Guns

Good thing for him he didn't have 75 guns.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:45 PM

18. He would probably not do any more time if he did.

Thing is, it's not the number of guns that you have, it's what you do with them.

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:52 PM

19. Right

So how many do you need to have exactly to do what you do with guns? One.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #19)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:03 AM

20. There's that pesky "freedom of choice" thing again. One can own 0 guns or 500...

...and if one isn't of a mind to do away with ones' spouse/SO, ithe number of guns you own will make not one whit of difference.

"In the hands of a criminal, one gun is a dangerous armory. In the hands of the law abiding, 100 guns are a nifty collection..."

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #20)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:07 AM

21. What part of a well regulated militia did you miss?

.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:36 AM

24. And what part of District of Columbia v. Heller did *you* miss?

Not to mention what a certain well-known former lecturer on law and editor of the Harvard Law Review wrote recently:

http://azstarnet.com/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html


...Now, like the majority of Americans, I believe that the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. And the courts have settled that as the law of the land. In this country, we have a strong tradition of gun ownership that's handed from generation to generation. Hunting and shooting are part of our national heritage. And, in fact, my administration has not curtailed the rights of gun owners - it has expanded them, including allowing people to carry their guns in national parks and wildlife refuges...


Your stance is not a new one, by any means- you have held yourself out as Scrutinizer of Needs before:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117217569

I note that you departed that thread after it was revealed the source of the OP was a paid shill and not merely a 'concerned family member'...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 09:06 PM

12. A friend of mine killed his wife, he didn't spend a whole night in jail.

He said, and she said it was an accident before she died.


Another killed his wife and claimed it was suicide, now he's in jail for life.






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Response to ileus (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 11:37 PM

16. Right or Wrong

And the common thread is both involved a gun in the commission of a crime, whether accidental homocide, intentional murder or suicide.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:16 AM

22. Would it make you feel any better if they was pushed outta windows?

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:18 AM

23. No

.....but it sounds like it might make you happier since you would be able to direct the conversation away from guns.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:51 AM

25. If you've got any evidence that gun ownership compels criminal behavior, please produce it.

Take your time and look around; it'll probably be near the evidence that the easy availability of cars compels drunken driving and vehicular homicide...

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 12:56 AM

26. Ah...yes....the semantics of the gun lobby

Guns compel? No, criminals (and defenders) use guns to kill. Drivers (and passengers) do no such thing.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:03 AM

27. "Drivers...do no such thing." Really? DC has no laws against vehicular homicide?

Jeez, no wonder the traffic's so bad!

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #27)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:08 AM

28. Guns are designed to kill. Cars are not.

I wrote 'Guns compel? No, criminals (and defenders) use guns to kill. Drivers (and passengers) do no such thing.'

You respond 'Really? DC has no laws against vehicular homicide?'

Guns are designed to kill. Cars are not. And there are indeed regulations about the use of each.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 01:24 AM

29. And yet cars kill more people in the US than guns do, and there are fewer guns than cars.

You also do not have an enumerated right to own a car.

Tell me, do you think Vioxx should have been left on the market because it wasn't actually designed to give people heart attacks?

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:51 AM

33. Correction: Guns are designed to save lives.

Like cars and baseball bats some people misuse them. However.com, but no one is trying to stop me from driving to a baseball game.



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Response to ileus (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:49 AM

35. LOL

How's that working out? LOL

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 02:41 PM

42. "How's that working out?" Violent crime and murder rates are down, so why don't you tell us?

I realize that inconvenient truth causes no end of anhedonia amongst you lot, but I'm sure you'll get over it....

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #42)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:24 PM

45. Covered and Answered

To hear you guys talk it's always and exlusively because of guns..... It's never because of new technologies like cell phones, cell phone tracking, new and extensive public surveillance virtually on every city block, a new Department of Homeland Defense protecting our borders from illegal drugs and reducing drug wars, better coordination between government agencies, and a host of other reasons.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #45)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:27 PM

46. I don't think it is any of those either

just part of a cycle that dates back to the 1920s.

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Response to fightthegoodfightnow (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:54 AM

31. Ahemmmm.....

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 08:50 AM

30. There was a study done in Italy recently.

 

It proves that guns cause genetic mutations which bring the hidden criminal in all of us out.

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Response to Remmah2 (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:52 AM

34. I read about that one...there's needs to be a one strike law.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 09:39 AM

32. Seems about right.

 

Assuming he actually serves it 25 years is a decent punishment for such woeful negligence.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:50 AM

53. Should six year olds

be walking around with guns?

No.

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