Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumPalm Coast man gets 25 years in accidental shooting of his wife
The Flagler County Sheriffs Office said Merrill was pointing an AK-47 with a laser scope at his wife, Stefanie Merrill, talking about how bright the light was when the assault rifle went off and struck her in the chest. The couples 3-year-old daughter was in the home taking a bath when the shooting occurred.
The Sheriffs Office said 25 firearms were recovered from their home.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-10-29/story/palm-coast-man-gets-25-years-accidental-shooting-his-wife#ixzz2AundyTQC
12AngryBorneoWildmen
(536 posts)rrneck
(17,671 posts)12AngryBorneoWildmen
(536 posts)The first 6 words of the post.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)MissMarple
(9,656 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Yet another example of someone simultaneously violating two or more of the rules.
Logical
(22,457 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)If I lived in an area that had more trees, there's a good chance that chainsaw safety would have been taught in a silviculture course, or Introduction to Art Making.
Or swimming?
We didn't have a pool at my high school, but my elementary school back in the 1960s had a deal with the YMCA across the street - Swimming lessons were available to all kids at very low cost.
BTW I have often said that all children should be given an opportunity to learn to swim. That would be very likely to save lives IMO.
Logical
(22,457 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)I'm sure you think there is a connection to guns but you haven't made it.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)There is a significant probability that a person is going to encounter one of the following in his or her life:
- A loaded gun that was negligently dropped by its owner,
- A loaded gun that was thrown away in haste by a criminal,
- A person who is handling a gun irresponsibly.
I have seen all of those. I think every child should be taught explicitly how to deal with those situations.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)....rather than indoctrinating them in gun culture.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)I've been a parent. Let me tell you one important thing about children:
They grow up. As they mature, your ability to control them and their environment rapidly fades away. By the time they're 12 or 13 years old, there are long stretches of time when they are out of your sight.
The most important thing parents and schools can do are teaching them how to think for themselves, and how to survive.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)You ask. 'Why are you opposed to teaching children a valuable survival skill?'
I don't consider having a gun a survival skill. In fact, I think it has a far greater probability of being used to kill rather than save anyone's life. And the notion that you can't survive without a gun is false: Survival depends on living with less not more. In fact, teaching you kids how to live without the comfort of a gun is arguably preparing them how to really survive.
You write: 'The most important thing parents and schools can do are teaching them how to think for themselves, and how to survive.' I agree completely and thinking/surviving doesn't require a gun.'
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)and I am arguing that preparing them to live without a gun makes them far more capable and resourceful.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)or just drop the kid off in the wilderness and have him make his own knife out of a rock?
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)...that's not survival....that's fiction.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)there are schools that can teach it. There is a guy in Ohio that runs such a school. His definition of an ideal gun is a single shot 12 gauge.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)What is your point? Someone runs an archery school or a gun school? And that means you can 'survive' what.... Life? Gosh, ok......we're not having a 'real' or same conversation.
I would argue it is far harder and much more difficult to survive without any weapon and if you can teach that to your children...you are doing a far greater service for them than a gratuitous gun on the false premise that is survival.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)he really teaches you how to make a knife out of a rock, fire with bow drill. Aboriginal skills do serve a purpose, as does any education.
Growing up, we never viewed our guns as weapons in the same sense you do. BTW, survive what? Depending what it is you are trying to survive, being weaponless could make surviving more difficult. That would be self evident. In day to day life, it is mostly irrelevant.
What would the point of teaching your kid that would be exactly?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)and I taught my fellow 8th graders how to safely clean a shotgun (which I brought to school).
How we did school in the 50s/60s.
Logical
(22,457 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)From the link:
Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-10-29/story/palm-coast-man-gets-25-years-accidental-shooting-his-wife#ixzz2Aus6dQcH
former-republican
(2,163 posts)he shot her.
Now the little girl grows up without a mom or dad.
RegieRocker
(4,226 posts)on this story. She hated guns and this guy (husband) is a liar. It was no accident. It was murder.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Good thing for him he didn't have 75 guns.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Thing is, it's not the number of guns that you have, it's what you do with them.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)So how many do you need to have exactly to do what you do with guns? One.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)...and if one isn't of a mind to do away with ones' spouse/SO, ithe number of guns you own will make not one whit of difference.
"In the hands of a criminal, one gun is a dangerous armory. In the hands of the law abiding, 100 guns are a nifty collection..."
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts).
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Not to mention what a certain well-known former lecturer on law and editor of the Harvard Law Review wrote recently:
http://azstarnet.com/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html
Your stance is not a new one, by any means- you have held yourself out as Scrutinizer of Needs before:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117217569
I note that you departed that thread after it was revealed the source of the OP was a paid shill and not merely a 'concerned family member'...
ileus
(15,396 posts)He said, and she said it was an accident before she died.
Another killed his wife and claimed it was suicide, now he's in jail for life.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)And the common thread is both involved a gun in the commission of a crime, whether accidental homocide, intentional murder or suicide.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts).....but it sounds like it might make you happier since you would be able to direct the conversation away from guns.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Take your time and look around; it'll probably be near the evidence that the easy availability of cars compels drunken driving and vehicular homicide...
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)Guns compel? No, criminals (and defenders) use guns to kill. Drivers (and passengers) do no such thing.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)Jeez, no wonder the traffic's so bad!
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)I wrote 'Guns compel? No, criminals (and defenders) use guns to kill. Drivers (and passengers) do no such thing.'
You respond 'Really? DC has no laws against vehicular homicide?'
Guns are designed to kill. Cars are not. And there are indeed regulations about the use of each.
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)You also do not have an enumerated right to own a car.
Tell me, do you think Vioxx should have been left on the market because it wasn't actually designed to give people heart attacks?
ileus
(15,396 posts)Like cars and baseball bats some people misuse them. However.com, but no one is trying to stop me from driving to a baseball game.
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)How's that working out? LOL
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)I realize that inconvenient truth causes no end of anhedonia amongst you lot, but I'm sure you'll get over it....
fightthegoodfightnow
(7,042 posts)To hear you guys talk it's always and exlusively because of guns..... It's never because of new technologies like cell phones, cell phone tracking, new and extensive public surveillance virtually on every city block, a new Department of Homeland Defense protecting our borders from illegal drugs and reducing drug wars, better coordination between government agencies, and a host of other reasons.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)just part of a cycle that dates back to the 1920s.
Remmah2
(3,291 posts)Remmah2
(3,291 posts)It proves that guns cause genetic mutations which bring the hidden criminal in all of us out.
ileus
(15,396 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Assuming he actually serves it 25 years is a decent punishment for such woeful negligence.
freedomboogie
(14 posts)be walking around with guns?
No.