Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:36 PM
SecularMotion (3,147 posts)
Accidental shooting of 8 year-old stresses need for safety trainingCEDAR FALLS (KWWL) -
The Black Hawk County Sheriff is stressing the need for proper firearm training following an accident at a Cedar Falls gun range. Eight-year-old David Young suffered a gunshot wound to the head Monday while taking part in target practice at the Black Hawk Park gun range. A source close to the investigation confirmed with us -- the gun was in the hands of Young's five-year-old sister. Monday night, Young was transferred to the Brain Trauma Center at University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. A hospital representative contacted Tuesday afternoon could not confirm his current condition. Park supervisors re-opened the gun range to the public Tuesday, and several people showed up for target practice. James Heiselman was among them. He shot his first gun when he was nine years old, and passed the tradition on to his children. http://www.kwwl.com/story/19956702/accidental-shooting-of-8-year-old-brings-safety-reminder
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| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| msongs | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| Eleanors38 | Nov 2012 | #16 | |
| slackmaster | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| Logical | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| petronius | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Logical | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| petronius | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| Logical | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| petronius | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| Logical | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| petronius | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| Logical | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Nov 2012 | #20 | |
| Logical | Nov 2012 | #21 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Nov 2012 | #22 | |
| Logical | Nov 2012 | #23 | |
| AtheistCrusader | Nov 2012 | #24 | |
| slackmaster | Nov 2012 | #18 | |
| PavePusher | Nov 2012 | #26 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Nov 2012 | #19 | |
| PavePusher | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| ileus | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| petronius | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| freedomboogie | Nov 2012 | #17 | |
| jbgood1977 | Nov 2012 | #25 |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:44 PM
msongs (30,530 posts)
1. not an accident - caused by stupid adults playing with dangerous toys nt
Response to msongs (Reply #1)
Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:37 AM
Eleanors38 (3,478 posts)
16. Correction: Guns are not toys.
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:57 PM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
2. Five is usually too young for a person to have internalized the rules of safe firearm handling
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My brother did fine at age six, but he's exceptional in many ways.
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:40 PM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
3. Safety training which is opposed by gun controllers
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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #3)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:34 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
5. I think parents with guns need to train their kids. Not the schools.
Response to Logical (Reply #5)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:42 PM
petronius (19,655 posts)
6. Why not schools too? Kids whose parents don't own guns may still encounter them
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at the homes of others - or even in the street - and would benefit from some basic safety advice, lumped in with all the other 'life-skills' training presented in schools.
Five is too young, though; this was purely a parental (or other supervisory) fail... |
Response to petronius (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:47 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
7. The schools DO NOT train the following.....
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Using ladders
Swimming Using Chain Saws Using Power Tools Climbing Trees And most not even drivers training anymore And kids are much more likely to encounter those items than they are guns. |
Response to Logical (Reply #7)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:02 PM
petronius (19,655 posts)
9. And yet schools do teach a slew of life skills - sex ed, and health, and drug
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awareness come to mind. And, kids are more likely to encounter a firearm in an 'irresponsible behavior' sort of setting than they are a power tool, so it makes more sense to include basic gun safety in those life skills modules.
But personally, I would not exclude shop, home ec, and drivers ed from schools either... |
Response to petronius (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:13 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
11. Many kids never use a gun growing up. And we all know gun accidents kill very few kids! Swimming....
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kills many more and schools do not teach swimming.
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Response to Logical (Reply #11)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:22 PM
petronius (19,655 posts)
12. Swimming should certainly be included in PE, IMO - actually, that's one of the first
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things I'd choose if I could specify the list of life skills a kid should leave school with. But I'd include basic firearm safety knowledge as well...
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Response to petronius (Reply #12)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:25 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
13. I see your point. Many parents would throw a fit I am sure. Too emotional.
Response to Logical (Reply #13)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:37 PM
petronius (19,655 posts)
14. It is something that I would think should be a parental opt-out activity; outside of the
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core academic curriculum, I'm in favor of some parental involvement/choice (I'm really not sure where I'd draw the "No you can't opt out!" line)...
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Response to petronius (Reply #14)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:51 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
15. Opting out would be a good idea. But offering it would not be a bad thing at all!
Response to Logical (Reply #11)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:30 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
20. Many school age kids never drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex
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and the like.
We still go over those things in health class. |
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #20)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:09 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
21. Health class? Now you want power tools, swimming and guns taught in Health Class??
Response to Logical (Reply #21)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:14 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
22. No, those were examples
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You could learn about that in English class.
How about we have all sorts of classes reaching all sorts of things? Do you have a specific reason for thinking ignorance is preferable? |
Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #22)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:20 PM
Logical (8,079 posts)
23. Yes, no time to do it. How about a voluntary class offered on weekends for parents who want....
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to use it?
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Response to petronius (Reply #9)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:30 PM
AtheistCrusader (14,226 posts)
24. Our sex ed didn't teach us anything important...
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like foreplay or any of that.
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Response to Logical (Reply #7)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:21 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
18. Schools most definitely taught the use of power tools when I was a kid
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Wood shop, metal shop, etc.
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Response to Logical (Reply #7)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:18 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
26. Many (maybe most?) rural schools teach all or much of that list.
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Last edited Thu Nov 8, 2012, 03:22 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) Most of them still have shop/"industrial arts", FFA, etc.
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Response to Logical (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:29 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
19. I think parents should teach kids about safe sex
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often they don't.
We're better off as a society if we teach them about it in school as well. At worst they hear the same things twice. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:31 PM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
4. Dunno about "safety training" in this instance...
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Last edited Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:32 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) but almost certainly parental supervision was faulty/lacking.
I sure hope the poor kid makes it through without any permenent disability. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:01 PM
ileus (9,212 posts)
8. Safety first when on the range....just like kids
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Last edited Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:02 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) everywhere you never know when they're just gonna take off.
Last Friday we were shooting the crossbow in the back yard. I'd just turned over control of the bow to my 8yo. His friend 7 that was taking turns shooting just ran right in front of him. I spoke to them both for a good 8 minutes before we resumed shooting. When at the range with our family firearms I make the non shooting kid(s) sit down. I was careless last Friday and neglected my own "kids" don't move rule. |
Response to ileus (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:05 PM
petronius (19,655 posts)
10. Uh oh - looks like you've gotten your one-strike, so you're out!
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For convenience, go ahead and box up your firearms and ship them to me; I'll take care of the proper disposal...
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:53 AM
freedomboogie (14 posts)
17. Who give the fiver year old sister
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the gun?
Arrest them! |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:03 AM
jbgood1977 (91 posts)
25. Firearm safety training should be a required course in our public schools.
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I'm thinking elementary at the start of it, but it should progress throughout the school hierarchy.
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