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Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:36 PM

Accidental shooting of 8 year-old stresses need for safety training

CEDAR FALLS (KWWL) -

The Black Hawk County Sheriff is stressing the need for proper firearm training following an accident at a Cedar Falls gun range.

Eight-year-old David Young suffered a gunshot wound to the head Monday while taking part in target practice at the Black Hawk Park gun range. A source close to the investigation confirmed with us -- the gun was in the hands of Young's five-year-old sister.

Monday night, Young was transferred to the Brain Trauma Center at University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics. A hospital representative contacted Tuesday afternoon could not confirm his current condition.

Park supervisors re-opened the gun range to the public Tuesday, and several people showed up for target practice. James Heiselman was among them. He shot his first gun when he was nine years old, and passed the tradition on to his children.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/19956702/accidental-shooting-of-8-year-old-brings-safety-reminder

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Reply Accidental shooting of 8 year-old stresses need for safety training (Original post)
SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
msongs Oct 2012 #1
Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #16
slackmaster Oct 2012 #2
Glaug-Eldare Oct 2012 #3
Logical Oct 2012 #5
petronius Oct 2012 #6
Logical Oct 2012 #7
petronius Oct 2012 #9
Logical Oct 2012 #11
petronius Oct 2012 #12
Logical Oct 2012 #13
petronius Oct 2012 #14
Logical Oct 2012 #15
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #20
Logical Nov 2012 #21
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #22
Logical Nov 2012 #23
AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #24
slackmaster Nov 2012 #18
PavePusher Nov 2012 #26
4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #19
PavePusher Oct 2012 #4
ileus Oct 2012 #8
petronius Oct 2012 #10
freedomboogie Nov 2012 #17
jbgood1977 Nov 2012 #25

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:44 PM

1. not an accident - caused by stupid adults playing with dangerous toys nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Nov 1, 2012, 10:37 AM

16. Correction: Guns are not toys.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 05:57 PM

2. Five is usually too young for a person to have internalized the rules of safe firearm handling

 

My brother did fine at age six, but he's exceptional in many ways.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 06:40 PM

3. Safety training which is opposed by gun controllers

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Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:34 PM

5. I think parents with guns need to train their kids. Not the schools.

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Response to Logical (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:42 PM

6. Why not schools too? Kids whose parents don't own guns may still encounter them

at the homes of others - or even in the street - and would benefit from some basic safety advice, lumped in with all the other 'life-skills' training presented in schools.

Five is too young, though; this was purely a parental (or other supervisory) fail...

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Response to petronius (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:47 PM

7. The schools DO NOT train the following.....

Using ladders
Swimming
Using Chain Saws
Using Power Tools
Climbing Trees
And most not even drivers training anymore

And kids are much more likely to encounter those items than they are guns.

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Response to Logical (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:02 PM

9. And yet schools do teach a slew of life skills - sex ed, and health, and drug

awareness come to mind. And, kids are more likely to encounter a firearm in an 'irresponsible behavior' sort of setting than they are a power tool, so it makes more sense to include basic gun safety in those life skills modules.

But personally, I would not exclude shop, home ec, and drivers ed from schools either...

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Response to petronius (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:13 PM

11. Many kids never use a gun growing up. And we all know gun accidents kill very few kids! Swimming....

kills many more and schools do not teach swimming.

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:22 PM

12. Swimming should certainly be included in PE, IMO - actually, that's one of the first

things I'd choose if I could specify the list of life skills a kid should leave school with. But I'd include basic firearm safety knowledge as well...

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Response to petronius (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:25 PM

13. I see your point. Many parents would throw a fit I am sure. Too emotional.

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Response to Logical (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:37 PM

14. It is something that I would think should be a parental opt-out activity; outside of the

core academic curriculum, I'm in favor of some parental involvement/choice (I'm really not sure where I'd draw the "No you can't opt out!" line)...

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Response to petronius (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:51 PM

15. Opting out would be a good idea. But offering it would not be a bad thing at all!

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Response to Logical (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:30 PM

20. Many school age kids never drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex

 

and the like.

We still go over those things in health class.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #20)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:09 PM

21. Health class? Now you want power tools, swimming and guns taught in Health Class??

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Response to Logical (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:14 PM

22. No, those were examples

 

You could learn about that in English class.

How about we have all sorts of classes reaching all sorts of things?

Do you have a specific reason for thinking ignorance is preferable?

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:20 PM

23. Yes, no time to do it. How about a voluntary class offered on weekends for parents who want....

to use it?

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Response to petronius (Reply #9)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:30 PM

24. Our sex ed didn't teach us anything important...

like foreplay or any of that.

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Response to Logical (Reply #7)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 09:21 AM

18. Schools most definitely taught the use of power tools when I was a kid

 

Wood shop, metal shop, etc.

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Response to Logical (Reply #7)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 08:18 AM

26. Many (maybe most?) rural schools teach all or much of that list.

 

Most of them still have shop/"industrial arts", FFA, etc.

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Response to Logical (Reply #5)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 02:29 PM

19. I think parents should teach kids about safe sex

 

often they don't.

We're better off as a society if we teach them about it in school as well. At worst they hear the same things twice.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 07:31 PM

4. Dunno about "safety training" in this instance...

 

but almost certainly parental supervision was faulty/lacking.

I sure hope the poor kid makes it through without any permenent disability.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:01 PM

8. Safety first when on the range....just like kids

everywhere you never know when they're just gonna take off.

Last Friday we were shooting the crossbow in the back yard. I'd just turned over control of the bow to my 8yo. His friend 7 that was taking turns shooting just ran right in front of him. I spoke to them both for a good 8 minutes before we resumed shooting.

When at the range with our family firearms I make the non shooting kid(s) sit down. I was careless last Friday and neglected my own "kids" don't move rule.

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Response to ileus (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 31, 2012, 08:05 PM

10. Uh oh - looks like you've gotten your one-strike, so you're out!

For convenience, go ahead and box up your firearms and ship them to me; I'll take care of the proper disposal...

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Nov 7, 2012, 05:53 AM

17. Who give the fiver year old sister

the gun?

Arrest them!

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 12:03 AM

25. Firearm safety training should be a required course in our public schools.

 

I'm thinking elementary at the start of it, but it should progress throughout the school hierarchy.

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