Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumBrady Campaign celebrates a ruling AGAINST Background checks....begs for more checks on same day...
You can't make this stuff up!! The Brady Campaign has never been noted for their smarts when it comes to legislation, but sometimes their mindless ranting makes ZERO sense whatsoever and even goes against what they say they want.
Case in point... The recent ruling against the NRA in "NRA v ATF". The case was about the FEDERAL prohibition against FFL dealers selling handguns to those under 21. The Brady Bunch nearly wet their pants about this, imagine Gun Dealers, selling handguns to 18 to 21 year olds!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, FFL gun dealers, were when they buy the handgun, they must pass the NICS check.... Here is an excerpt from their statement on the ruling..
http://www.bradycampaign.org/media/press/view/1542
Here is the rub....In MOST STATES, the legal age to POSSESS a handgun is only 18. It is perfectly legal for ME, to sell ANY on my firearms, including handguns, to an 18 year old.
Let me repeat that....It is 100% legal for me to sell, give, or trade, a handgun to an 18 year old.
And the Federal law, makes it ILLEGAL to run a background check on them...UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES... There is NO federal law against them possessing the handgun at 18 ethier..
In other words, you could pick the MOST ANTI-GUN Sheriff in Virginia (if you could find one) I could sell the teenager a large handgun right in front of him, and he could not do jack squat about it.... Like it is in MOST STATES...
So Brady is celebrating a ruling that affirmed their is NO WAY to run a NICS check on anyone under 21 in regards to a handgun...
BUT WAIT, There's more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On THE SAME DAY AS THE RULING!!!!! Daniel Gross the president on the Brady Campaign pleads for more NICS or "Brady Checks" on the Huffington Post.... You know the very same check that the NRA was wanting to make apply to 18 to 21 year olds?? The same check that Brady is HAPPY to see NOT APPLY to them???
You see, 40 seconds is the amount of time it takes the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) call center to approve the majority of "Brady criminal background checks" on anybody who wants to buy a gun. But in America, millions of people every year, including those with criminal and dangerous intentions, can buy a gun without ever having to go through such a records check.
That is because of the 40 percent. Sometimes you will hear this problem referred to as the "gun show loophole." But that is a dramatic understatement. The reality is a full 40 percent of all legal gun sales in our nation require no background check at all. That includes every gun sale that takes place outside a federally licensed firearm dealer
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-gross/wisconsin-spa-tragedy-and_b_2015355.html
So what is it Danial, you're the president of the Brady Campaign??? Do you want the checks to apply or NOT?! You're sending mixed signals, On one hand you're GLAD they don't apply to 18 to 21 year olds whom can LEGALLY can already own the handguns, then on the other, you're upset that they don't apply??
I think they are so knee jerk on gun control, they have no clue what they really want, short of civilian disarmament.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)you can't make this shit up. The Brady bunch are they're own worse enemy.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)4th law of robotics
(6,801 posts)Huh.
Well I'll take it.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,470 posts)...through the brady bunch. Working the lounge in the Lion after-life doing stand-up that is. In the words of James Earl Jones: "The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Wants there cake and eat it too....
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)vamtnman: You can't make this stuff up!!
Yet you done did a pretty good job.
.. mtn-man: Here is the rub....In MOST STATES, the legal age to POSSESS a handgun is only 18. It is perfectly legal for ME, to sell ANY on my firearms, including handguns, to an 18 year old.
..And the Federal law, makes it ILLEGAL to run a background check on them...UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.. There is NO federal law against them possessing the handgun at 18 ethier
You are mainly correct on both above, it's your denouement that's the 'rub'.
If I read this right (& what you're saying) -- the nra challenged the federal law prohibiting young adults ages 18-20, from buying handguns from gun dealers. thus perhaps the nra wanted 18-20 yr olds to be liable to bg checks so as to purchase handguns?
In other words the nra wanted to allow 18-21s the ability to purchase handguns, thus being subject to an ncis background check {Yes?No?}.
The {5th circuit}court agreed with a brief filed by the Brady Center arguing that the {fed} law was a reasonable public safety measure.
So what you apparently contend, is that since brady argued that the law's allowances for background checks on 18-21s should be upheld & thus handgun sales to them disallowed, brady is simultaneously arguing that the loophole in the federal 'brady law' is OK, which disallows feds from conducting bg checks on non ffl gun dealers. Or something like that.
That is non sequitur, where a loophole would preclude any subsequent proper rulings relating to the issue. You convolute & distort the case into something it isn't. You argue & manipulate a technicality, is all.
Typical rightwing tactic, is this really democrat underground, or am I in the twilight zone?
NRA Lawsuit Challenging Federal Gun Laws Dismissed by Appeals Court
Oct 25, 2012 D.C. In a first-of-its-kind ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit today affirmed the dismissal of the NRA's challenge to federal gun laws prohibiting teens and young adults, ages 18-20, from buying handguns from gun dealers.
.. The ruling marked the first time a federal appeals court considered the validity of restricting handgun sales to those under age 21 since the Supreme Courts ruling in District of Columbia v. Heller announcing a narrow {2a} right to possess a gun in the home for self-defense. The unanimous court agreed .. that federal laws restricting handgun sales to young people are reasonable because preventing handguns from easily falling into the hands of 18-to-20 year olds remains critical to public safety.
.. The court agreed with a brief filed by the Brady Center arguing that the law was a reasonable public safety measure.
another link: The US govt can prohibit gun dealers from selling handguns to minors, according to a Fifth Circuit ruling on October 25 {2012}. NRA argued that 11,000 of its members, aged 18 to 21, were unjustly denied their {2A} right to buy guns. But the risk of violent crime committed by immature or thrill-bent youngsters is too great, the court said. So the govt can prohibit gun sales to crazy people, criminals and kids.
... A loophole in the Brady Law requires background checks only for sales by licensed dealers. Under federal law, unlicensed sales, whether at gun shows or elsewhere, do not require a background check..
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)private individuals at gun shows are one time collectors. If they gain in income from selling guns, they are dealers. If they don't have a license, they are violating federal law.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=289093
Wonder what their new screen names are going to be? Wonder which right-wing gun fanatics are going to be banned next? The gungeon troll cycle continues...
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)as much as control advocates like the gun laws of Canada, yet they don't seem to like all of it being applied to the US. For example, you can legally buy and sell a handgun to a Canadian 18 year old. Granted, they need a Restricted PAL, but still.