D.C. doesn't want anyone to defend themselves.

It is a Moonie RW rag.

Those are probably all BS articles intended to elicit the visceral response you had.

I'll truely love them to be wrong.... but they don't currently seem to be.

On the DC police website http://mpdc.dc.gov/ to verify the points in the article.

Lots of good information on how to be a victim... You can find that in the "Safety and Prevention" tab

...accept the responsibility to protect us all. Some politicians think the government trained are just better at it.
That's why I suggested the idea that a Protective Squadron be formed, maybe under Homeland Security. Guards from the Protective Squadron could stationed in public places to see that nothing goes wrong...

Protective Squadron is a comforting name with such a history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protective_Squadron

repeal the 2nd Amendment. It is seriously outdated to the time of flintlock weapons. Let people have all the flintlocks they want but modern weapons should be limited to the military, police agencies and specially licensed bodyguards for high profile people like celebrities and politicians. For everyone else, make them turn all modern weapons in for destruction.

do you have solution for defense against assault by someone wielding a knife, club, fists or feet that works better than a gun?

If you are so worried at being assaulted, get a big dog like a Rottweiler. If you live in a high crime area like Chicago, just move to a safer place. You can move back when all guns are destroyed.

can't own a large aggressive dog because they can't physically control it, can't afford it, or live where a dog is impractical or not allowed.

As for moving, looks like you're a #3.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117277343

As long as they "just move" to some fascist place compatible with their opinions rather than changing our place to fit their needs.

If someone wants to stick around they need to deal with the reality that justice is seldom secured without a fight. And never without the prospect of one.

...but there's folks that need to own up to knowing what protection is all about.
It's a peaceful life when there's someone to look after that for you.
Sooner or later we need to do for ourselves without mommy and daddy.

I want a pet, not a beast.

if some people actually ever venture outside of that gated community.

you sure you want people packing assault style dogs? Particularly ones with black coats.

And who knows what sort of futuristic weaponized canines genetic engineering may one day produce.

Some people even have selected for dogs so small they can be easily concealed in a purse or large coat. What are your thoughts on concealed canines? Should it require a license? Should any yahoo off the streets be able to stockpile as many military style dogs as he wishes? How many dogs do you really need? Perhaps we should let people have as many as they like but tax the hell out of dog food.

However.com I would allow single shot 410 shotguns for home defense and hunting purposes.

Please let us know how it goes for you.

I fall in the specially licensed category. I am a retired Chicago PD detective, retired in 2005 after 30 yrs of service and moved to Florida. I still have a badge that identifies me as a retired police officer that allows me to own and carry a firearm in any state, but I have been trained and have practical skills and knowledge far above the average cowboy joe who wants to have a gun. When I retired, I was allowed to keep my S&W model 36 snubby 38 revolver and I still carry it to this day. I think I was one of the last detectives that carried a revolver when I retired, now they all carry automatics.

ha. good one, dude.

ha good one means. I was issued a pistol, that I did not buy, and was allowed to to keep it as a retired police officer (detective). The CPD still lists the pistol as an issued item to me, they technically still own it. And don't call me dude. It's about my bed time, so good night.

I earned it. What is your viewpoint on private ownership of modern firearms?

The entire point of the Bill of Rights is that those are things the government may not interfere with unless they can prove an immediate and far-reaching danger. And that bar is supposed to be set very high.

You seem to be promoting the idea of an elite, with more Rights than the plebes.

Hopefully, you are simply not being clear in your communication?

my pistol was issued to me as a detective in the '80s. In the '90s, CPD started to require police officers to buy their own guns using a BATF form 4473 (they were reimbursed for the cost) so that the gun was registered in their name and not CPD. The reasons for this is long and complex and boil down to liability and the city's risk management department. For more info, google "Second City Cop", my friends blog and go to the archives.

other than type (rifle, shotgun, handgun).

I think you are confused.

look at the form yourself:

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

transmitted to the BATFE, other than firearm type. The serial number, make and model info is on the form, but does not go the the BATFE under normal circumstances......or the FFL closes up shop and turns in their bound book to the BATFE.

NICS is also not allowed to keep a federal registration of civilians firearms. They have to destroy background check records after a short period of time as well.

There is no federal firearms registration other than NFA items.

Mea Culpa, and you have my apology.

In retrospect, this seems to ba a direct violation of FOPA, 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act#Registry_prohibition

funny you should mention that,
it seems that NYPD cops have a problem with trigger discipline, which is why they have modified pistols with 12 pound trigger pulls
then there is this guy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117281112

Perhaps you can teach your fellow big city officers to be at least as responsible and safe with firearms as the average 12 year old in rural Wyoming or Alberta.

I have been shooting handguns and rifles off and on since I was eight years old, what's your point?

responsibility to teach other police agencies on what service pistols to use. I was just a simple plain clothes detective hunting down bad guys. I was very comfortable and felt very confident with my model 36 .38 cal, I did have to use a few times in my career and it worked in my favor. My pistol does have a heavy 9 lb pull in double action, but only 3 lb in single action (hammer cocked back). But it was only a 2" barrell so accuracy is really not the best at ranges past 10 yards either way. I was always able to empty 5 rounds within 2 seconds into the 5x ring man target at 10 yards. I used to practice with it more than the yearly required pistol qualification.

As far as the NYPD and their risk management required 12 lb trigger pulls is due to lack of training and subsequent lawsuits. Too many cops nowadays are not properly trained with pistol discipline, their main weapon, and put their bugger hook on the bang switch too quickly. When you draw, you don't need to put that bugger hook on the bang switch unless the bad guy is pointing a gun at you. Lack of good training has lead to the NYPD 12 lb trigger pulls in my opinion. I was a training officer for a few years and I would always watch new guys/gals when doing a felony stop, guns drawn. I always had to tell them, take your finger off the trigger and put it on the slide like you were trained. They would respond, "thats not we were trained"! Not to be sexist, but gals always put their bugger hook on the bang switch after drawing without an immediate threat. While a training officer, I had two AD's by my trainies. Both women. One time was a felony stop, all code 4 handcuffed and she accidentally shoots a round into the ground about 3 foot away from an arrested suspect on the ground. The second one was when we were in the locker room gearing up and she fired off a round while holstering.

My point still is to remove all guns from the populace that don't need them. I admit that it looks like NYPD needs more training and 4 or 5 lb triggers to get better accuracy, that still doesn't change the need for disarmament!

Wow, it is really past my bed time. Although, I do enjoy discussing these important issues facing our society!

...were a Chicago cop!

and my point cannot be ignored as the Chicago murder rate and gun violence is sky rotting in the past few years.

Even lower than Toronto's.

Admit it, Chicago has a crime problem, not a gun problem.

Restricting legal gun ownership as a response to that is like restricting the sober in order to fight drunk driving.

Like I said, the average 12 year old in Alberta or Wyoming knows better. The only difference is that the Canadian kid can buy his own ammo at the store.

Since you are retired and living in Florida, which is much safer than Chicago, that should include you. Since I retired from the military, I should be able to keep my select fire rifle too. You have less need for one than anyone living in, say, Granger, Wyoming, where 911 response is about 90 minutes. If this is a liberal democracy, there is no, and there should never be some functionary of the state or self appointed crusader telling anyone what they "need".

My wife is Swiss and most of her family have been required to be in the military (males only and you can opt out by paying a higher tax rate). They keep full auto weapons at their house. I have a bunch of cousins that will be keeping SIG 550 full autos at their house.

Interesting thing about your female cops not keeping the finger off the trigger. My mom and older brothers taught me all of that wen I was in grade school. I learned it with not only my single shot rifle, but also a revolver my brother bought in Germany. Of course, the Army and Air Force re enforced that, but still.
Funny thing, although gun ownership is pretty high where I grew up, we really didn't keep our guns loaded around the house. Didn't lock our doors either.

"but I have been trained and have practical skills and knowledge far above the average cowboy joe "

There are millions of "average joes" like myself with military training that positively craps on the training the vast majority of LEO's receive. Many serious CCW holders go to the range more often than the average cop who only goes to meet his/her yearly minimum requirement.

I have rifles and handguns in my safe I've had to replace barrels in after being shot out.
I wonder how many barrel replacements he's had to do on all his firearms.

It's sounds like a good choice for your next user name - "average cowboy joe"

We bow to your munificence, good sirah!

As you are retired, you are not longer engaged in active law enforcement and no longer receiving regular firearms training. Are you currently providing protection for a celebrity or politician? If not, I see not logical reason why you should feel justified to include yourself into a special catagory superior to the avergage citizen.

You are just another citizen now, nothing special about you. Whatever status permitted you access to a "modern" arm is now in the past. Or, is it that you afraid to surrender your modern weapon and revert to a firelock?

At this point in your life, your modern firearm serves little pratical purpose other than to defend yourself, something you seem eager to deny others.

What of military veterans? Have they not been trained as well?

Oh, and I would like to see proof of your 3-star CAR (that which doesn't betry your personal identity of course), or at least some detailed descriptions of the actions for which you were awarded the CAR.

I know what this means, so pony up.

States may not recognize your Chicago PD credentials, NY and CA come to mind there. Not a worry for retired Feds, but for local yokels it is not universal.

Without regular practice shooting skills wither. That you carried and kept a belly gun does not speak well to your prowess.

"The only solution is to

repeal the 2nd Amendment. It is seriously outdated to the time of flintlock weapons"

What are you doing on repealing the second Amendment? Are you making any progress? What members of Congress do you have supporting your cause?

Well, that explains your dislike of citizens RKBA, I take it you're a protege of King Daly?
I've been a cop for almost 30 years now, not terribly far from where you were and I'm 180 degrees opposite of you, I happen to believe that citizens should be able to CC if they're qualified, I don't believe cops are any better than the average citizen, I also happen to believe that citizens are responsible for their own personal safety, not cops unless someone is in our custody.

BTW, there's nothing special about being able to carry when retired, that's pretty standard for retired LE. Every retired LEO has a badge and ID that allows them to still carry.
Don't even try to say that you're specially licensed.

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And in my own law enforcement exerience I would trust a private gun owner over my fellow LEOs to shoot straight. I was a carrier before I went into law enforcement and I easily out shoot every cop ive qualified with.
Perhaps you have much better training than the average patrolman.

I earned mine in Vietnam in 1969. Each star represents each time it's awarded which would be each combat tour.

They are part of the fruit salad on the Marine class A's. Worn on the left side. Mine has 2 stars, but no ribbons . Got two real pretty purple ribbons though Wrong place at the wrong time.

if certain conditions were met.

Personnel who earned the Combat Infantryman Badge or Combat Medical Badge while a member of the United States Army may be authorized to wear the Combat Action Ribbon upon application to the Department of the Navy. As of May 2005, the United States Army has created a new decoration known as the Combat Action Badge (previously known as the Combat Recognition Ribbon) which is considered the direct Army equivalent to the Combat Action Ribbon, though the CAB is not available to infantry or medical Soldiers who are in combat arms units, and is available to officers at or below the rank of Colonel.

This is what the new Army Combat Action Badge looks like'

Military can't make anything simple can they?

... if you're going to be sarcastic, please label your post as such.

You'd be surprised at the number of nutters who actually believe in the things you're posting.

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... I'm a cardinal

meant to be sarcastic.

to your nearest town hall to nail it to the wall?

You should immediately turn in all your electronic communications equipment, it should be limited to "the military, police agencies and specially licensed bodyguards for high profile people like celebrities and politicians".

Dueling sarcasm is fun, no?

repeal the 1st Amendment. It is seriously outdated to the time of quill pens. Let people have all the quill pens they want but modern media should be limited to the military, police agencies and specially licensed representatives of high profile people like celebrities and politicians. For everyone else, make them turn all word processing equipment in for destruction.

the 1st Amendment? It is outdated to the time of the printing press and and to speaking out on street corners. Let people print all the notices they wish to or to speak out on the public square but do not allow them them to speak on radio, television, telephones, texting, tweeting, the internet in any way, or any other electronic device. Those electronic devices should be limited to the military, police agencies and specially licensed bodyguards (and I suppose you would also include the government).

How very egalitarian of you...

Did you really expect anything less from someone who worked for one of the most corrupt PD's in the nation?

Will conclude that it can be summed up in one word: Luridness.

people should only have flintlocks. I like it. :Grin:

And why do you want to create a priviliged class?

Guns are useless for self-defense.

All they're doing by carrying is giving criminals a free gun since the moment the draw the criminal will simply snatch it away and use it on them.

Give cops a whistle.