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Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:25 PM

A Rmoney victory would be a disaster for the gun industry

They whipped up the Cling-ons with scary tales of Obama gun grabbing.

In response, the Cling-ons bought up every gun and box of ammo in sight.

If Rmoney wins, the gun industry bubble will pop.



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Reply A Rmoney victory would be a disaster for the gun industry (Original post)
jpak Oct 2012 OP
doc03 Oct 2012 #1
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #9
brewens Oct 2012 #2
glacierbay Oct 2012 #3
brewens Oct 2012 #4
glacierbay Oct 2012 #5
ileus Oct 2012 #6
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #20
Francis Marion Oct 2012 #7
gejohnston Oct 2012 #8
Tuesday Afternoon Oct 2012 #10
spin Oct 2012 #11
doc03 Oct 2012 #12
gejohnston Oct 2012 #13
CokeMachine Oct 2012 #14
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #15
CokeMachine Oct 2012 #16
ileus Oct 2012 #17
Simo 1939_1940 Oct 2012 #18
GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #19

Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:31 PM

1. Think of the poor NRA, they will have to find a new boogyman to raise money and

recruit members.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:17 PM

9. Nah. They'll use the same ol' same ol'. Gun-controllers...

The gun-control outlook (largely fostered by the GOP-founded, GOP-led Brady Center) made and strengthened the modern NRA.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:44 PM

2. I keep telling my girlfriend that. She runs our business at gun shows. I've never been

the slightest bit concerned that "Obama was gunna git our guns". I tried to bet my brother in law and one of his buddies. The bet was $500 apiece, not one of their guns would be confiscated during Obama's term/s. Four years or eight years. I did stipulate that they couldn't commit a crime that resulted in guns being taken or get in some kind of armed standoff with the cops. I was just joking about that last part. They aren't crazy. Nope! No takers. They were convinced Obama would take their guns but they didn't want to make an easy $500 off of it. Go figure. You'd think they would have.

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Response to brewens (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:57 PM

3. I think you made a safe bet

 

Pres. Obama has expanded gun rights, CC now allowed in National Parks, guns allowed on Amtrack. Pretty good for a supposedly gun grabber.
The only thing I didn't like during the second debate is his reiteration about re-autorizing the AWB, it was a failure then and it would be a failure now and all it did was give the NRA fodder to feed on.

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Response to glacierbay (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:00 PM

4. I also know those guys don't have any fully auto stuff, but it wouldn't matter.

They could have a twin 50 MG and it wouldn't get confiscated.

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Response to brewens (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:02 PM

5. Yep

 

which is perfectly legal as long as they have the correct paperwork and tax stamp.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:04 PM

6. The future of destroying firearm freedoms is thru the courts...

It will soon be out of the hands of the voters and our elected officials.



I never got out of the mode of buying at least one box of ammo every trip. I'll be able to survive the post Barack election win this time...

Last election I underestimated (actually I had zero idea) the extent of panic buying and was caught without a proper supply for our shooting habit. This time around we're set. As a family we can plink for months on end without resupply. I figure by mid spring ammo should be on the shelves again.

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Response to ileus (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 01:07 PM

20. The courts are where Sanford Levinson thinks 2A will face most restrictions.

I posted in another thread where he will be interviewed today at 1 pm central on Austin's PBS affiliate KLRU. The show is ACCESS.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:33 PM

7. Disagree.

Romney's record is not consistent with a liberal interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Romney does not 'get' the Second Amendment.

Neither does President Obama.

I can imagine both of them banning semiautomatic firearms on a national scale as soon as it is politically possible to do so.



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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:33 PM

8. IIRC, it should be "a Rmoney" would be a disaster

Are you talking about just the US companies or Europeans and South American companies as well?

Other than boutique UK manufactures like Holland & Holland and James Purdey, he would be a disaster for the gun industry, but not for the reasons you think. Outsourcing, wage deflation etc. will lessen disposable income. No disposable income no trips to the gun store, fishing pole store, swimming pool store, stereo store etc. Many gun manufactures had a hard time during the depression like everyone else. Colt had a near monopoly on police and military sales, everyone else diversified or always was, like Remington. If you come across some old plumbing pipes with the Smith & Wesson logo on it, they are from the 1930s.

To give you an idea:
http://www.purdey.com/

That said, Mitt tried to pander to the NRA and Brady at the same time. I think he is more afraid of a Blair Mountain re enactment than pissing the NRA off. That makes him a greater threat to gun rights than Obama IMHO. Obama is not Fienstien. Most gun laws are passed, anywhere in the world, because of political violence or racism. That was the case of Europe after the first World War and Canada in the 1930s and 1970s. Of course, our 1960s.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:39 PM

10. I think you meant to post this at FR. Are you lost? yup.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:42 PM

11. Don't kid yourself. Obama has actually been extremely friendly to gun owners. ...

His approach to gun control has been fair and reasonable. He did receive an "F" rating from the Brady Campaign early in his first term.

However the conservatives failed to show any appreciation. They pushed the propaganda that Obama is a "gun grabber" who hid his true agenda during his first term and will change dramatically if reelected and will push for draconian gun control.

Obama was a politician from Illinois which is probably the most firearm unfriendly state in the Union. He would have little chance of being elected dog catcher in that state if he would have been pro-gun. I feel he modified his position when during his first campaign for the Presidency he traveled across our nation and was exposed to the fact that firearms can be used responsibly by honest citizens for sporting purposes such as target shooting, hunting and even legitimate self defense. This might have been an eye opening experience for him as in Chicago where firearm ownership is greatly prohibited such weapons are misused by the criminal element and gang members and tragedies result.

It is very easy to form a dislike for firearms when you know few examples of individuals who use them responsibly. It is also easy but foolish to associate firearm ownership with largely uneducated "rednecks." If you live in a "gun friendly" area of the nation you may know and even work with a large number of well educated individuals who own firearms. Your doctor, your lawyer, your accountant; your minister, priest or pastor, your dentist, your boss or your next door neighbor might own one firearm or a large collection of these weapons.

Obama did recently mention the possibility of another assault weapons ban if reelected. He faces a close election and this may have been an effort to solidify support from the very liberal portion of the Democratic party. Obviously conservative propaganda has guaranteed that Republican gun ownership will show up at the polls to vote for Romney. The simple reality is that passing another ban on evil looking semi-automatic firearms is impossible in the near future. In Congress most Republicans and many Democrats would oppose such a law.

I strongly support gun ownership but I personally distrust Republicans on this issue. It is true that they have successfully used gun control as a wedge issue to win many close elections. However Republicans have a nasty habit of selling out gun owners for political advantage. Even George W. Bush supported extending the assault weapons ban during his presidential campaigns.


Bush expressed support for some gun control measures, including the ban on assault weapons and laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of juveniles. But he said he did not believe the waiting period for the purchase of handguns that is part of the Brady Act does much good, saying he prefers instant background checks.
Source: Dan Balz, The Washington Post , Apr 25, 1999

*****

Q: You said if Congress would vote to extend the ban on assault weapons, that you’d sign the legislation, but you did nothing to encourage Congress to extend it.

BUSH: I did think we ought to extend the assault weapons ban and was told the bill was never going to move. I believe law-abiding citizens ought to be able to own a gun. I believe in background checks. The best way to protect our citizens from guns is to prosecute those who commit crimes with guns.
Source: Third Bush-Kerry debate, in Tempe AZ , Oct 13, 2004
http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/george_w__bush_gun_control.htm


Romney has a mixed record on gun control. Plus he lacks knowledge on the subject.


No new gun legislation; enforce the existing laws

Q: : In 2008, you stated you wanted to keep AK-47s out of the hands of criminals.

OBAMA: I believe in the Second Amendment. But weapons that were designed for soldiers in war theaters don't belong on our streets. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence.

ROMNEY: Yeah, I'm not in favor of new pieces of legislation on guns and taking guns away or making certain guns illegal. We of course don't want to have automatic weapons, and that's already illegal in this country, to have automatic weapons. What I believe is we have to do is to make enormous efforts to enforce the gun laws that we have and to change the culture of violence we have. And you ask, how are we going to do that? Good schools, to give people the hope and opportunity they deserve, and perhaps less violence from that. But let me mention another thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads helping raise kids. ...emphasis added
Source: Second Obama-Romney 2012 debate , Oct 16, 2012

***snip***

2002: I will not chip away at MA's tough gun laws

In 1994 Romney had supported firearms-control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association: the so-called Brady Bill, which restricted the sale of handguns, and the assault weapons ban. During the 1994 senatorial campaign he had taunted: "That's not going to make me the hero of the NRA." He reinforced his support for these measures when he ran for governor in 2002, when he promised not to chip away at the Commonwealth's tough gun laws. Now as a presidential candidate, Romney presented himself disingenuously as a lifetime member of the NRA and a hunter of "varmints," which prompted the acerbic Boston Globe columnist Joan Vennochi to write: "Leave it to Mitt Romney to shoot himself in the foot with a gun he doesn't own." ...emphasis added
http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm


(Fully automatic ARE legal for civilian ownership in most states but are far more tightly regulated than semi-auto firearms.)

I can understand how Obama might have modified his position but I feel Romney is basically firearm unfriendly but is trying to appear to be a strong supporter of gun rights.

On the gun control issue I support Obama. If the only issue I was interested in was much stronger gun control I would support Romney.

If Romney does get elected and abandons gun owners if another tragedy offers him that opportunity and pushes for another assault weapons ban, gun and ammo sales will continue to be strong.







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Response to spin (Reply #11)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:55 PM

12. What you talkin about Mitt doesn't have any knowledge of guns

he has hunted all his life small varmits, if you will.

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Response to doc03 (Reply #12)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 04:58 PM

13. so he said once.......

at the risk of insulting varmints, wouldn't be kind of like hunting.......................................never mind.

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Response to jpak (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:15 PM

14. Does this mean you're voting for Rmoney?

 

What's a Cling-on? Is it something that can be taken care of with Charmin?

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Response to CokeMachine (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 05:33 PM

15. Ewwww, the imagery. nt

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #15)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:08 PM

16. Sorry -- My bad

 

Hope you weren't eating

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Response to CokeMachine (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 06:15 PM

17. Since he wants guns off the streets it would make sense for him to vote R2.

I think the rest of us will vote Obama and hope for a repeat of the past 4 years when it comes to the 2A.

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Response to CokeMachine (Reply #14)

Sat Oct 27, 2012, 10:31 PM

18. I always that that a Clingon was a piece of Charmin that *clung on* to the area


where it was applied, and *unclung* at some point to be swept up from the floor.

( and no apologies to anyone eating! )

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Response to Simo 1939_1940 (Reply #18)

Sun Oct 28, 2012, 12:32 PM

19. Shaving cuts come to mind. N/T

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