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Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:01 AM

Do Private Online Gun Sales Create Loopholes in Gun Laws?

Armslist.com is the website Radcliffe Haughton visited to purchase a handgun, just two days after a restraining order barred him from having one. Police say he used that weapon Sunday to kill three women, including his wife, and wound four others at a Brookfield Spa before turning the gun on himself.

Armslist allows private citizens like Haughton to sell, buy and trade -- no applications or background checks needed.

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett criticized the lack of regulations Wednesday.

"Had a background check been required on this sale, Mr. Haughton may not have been able to obtain the gun he used to murder his wife and her co-workers," Barrett says.

http://www.wbay.com/story/19917744/2012/10/25/does-online-gun-sales-create-loopholes-in-gun-laws

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Reply Do Private Online Gun Sales Create Loopholes in Gun Laws? (Original post)
SecularMotion Oct 2012 OP
57_TomCat Oct 2012 #1
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #2
krispos42 Oct 2012 #3
GreenStormCloud Oct 2012 #4
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #5
AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #6
slackmaster Oct 2012 #7
rrneck Oct 2012 #8
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #10
PavePusher Oct 2012 #9

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:13 AM

1. No.

The internet allows for the meeting of people wishing to sell, trade or buy guns BUT the transactions must still be within the law of the jurisdiction where they take place. The loopholes you are talking about exist with or without the internet.

Then again many "loopholes" are simply ignorance of the varied laws that dot the country.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:31 AM

2. How to eliminate loopholes ...

 

... eliminate ALL laws dealing with the sale of firearms to American citizens exercising their RKBA.

Voila, no more loopholes.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:31 AM

3. It makes it easier to connect buyer to seller

If there is an inadequacy in the laws, more information connecting buyers to sellers will of course magnify this inadequacy.

Solution: Wisconsin state legislature makes all firearm sales go through an FFL, and thus a background check. Or, Wisconsin keeps their own database of people ineligible to buy a gun, and makes FLLs in their state also check Wisconsin's database as well as the federal one.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:33 AM

4. Online ads are no different than other local classified ads.

Many local papers have a guns section in their classified ads.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 10:41 AM

5. Ban classified ads

They just seem...........rude!

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:02 AM

6. WTF does it having been an online sale have to do with it?

Morally inferior to him getting one out of the newspaper from a private seller?

Does an online classified ad from a news site count as a newspaper, or an online sale, or both?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:25 AM

7. Such bullshit

 

"Radcliffe Houghton bought a handgun legally just two days after a restraining order barred him from having one."

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:43 AM

8. I don't see how

private background checks would work without chain of custody documentation.

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Response to rrneck (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:32 PM

10. Noticed that did you?

I wouldn't worry about it.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Fri Oct 26, 2012, 11:50 AM

9. Isn't the premise in the title bass-ackwards?

 

Someone skipped their classes in logic if they think that results and causes are reversed.

Then, of course, there's the issue of the meaning of the word "loophole". Most of the anti's authors seem to have gaps in their vocabulary as well as logic.

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