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Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:43 PM

 

Non-US Citizens in the Gungeon

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This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by krispos42 (a host of the Gun Control & RKBA group).

Have you noticed that the preponderance of the few, really radical, in-your-face, anti-gun folks that blanket us with Google Dumps and elitist BS have proven to be expatriates or have never been US Citizens?

We never have been just like them. We never will be just like them.

Semper Fi,





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Reply Non-US Citizens in the Gungeon (Original post)
DWC Oct 2012 OP
Kolesar Oct 2012 #1
Clames Oct 2012 #6
ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #2
COLGATE4 Oct 2012 #3
gejohnston Oct 2012 #5
COLGATE4 Oct 2012 #10
gejohnston Oct 2012 #13
George II Oct 2012 #12
slackmaster Oct 2012 #4
MicaelS Oct 2012 #7
naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #8
ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #9
fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #19
DanTex Oct 2012 #11
gejohnston Oct 2012 #14
DanTex Oct 2012 #17
gejohnston Oct 2012 #18
DanTex Oct 2012 #20
gejohnston Oct 2012 #21
friendly_iconoclast Oct 2012 #15
fightthegoodfightnow Oct 2012 #16
krispos42 Oct 2012 #22

Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:47 PM

1. Semper Fi?

Do you want to do some pushups or something?

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:48 PM

6. You have a particular problem with him?

 

Pushups? Maybe you should do some yourself...

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:02 PM

2. As with the rest of DU, the foreigners come and go.

As long as they are knowledgeable and polite, they are welcome to participate.

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:03 PM

3. If you're going to try and insult a group

at least get their title right. It's 'expatriates', not "ex-patriots" (although I'm not sure you see the difference).

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:32 PM

5. on the net, word usage is optional. That said

I know a Canadian that thinks snowbirds who winter Florida are not real Canadians.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:39 PM

10. I don't know what you mean by 'word useage

is optional'. If Semper Fi wants to refer to a group of U.S. citizens who happen to be living overseas as being "ex-patriots", i.e. former (but no longer) patriots, I think that it a) reflects badly on him and b) is insulting.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:53 PM

13. I think it is meant as an honest mis spelling, but

one person he is likely referring to actually has "three reasons the US sucks" on his blog. One of which is obesity (he thinks the obese should be barred from owning firearms.) He ignores Italy, but is silent on misogyny in Italian society.

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Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:48 PM

12. Maybe he was talking about retired football players?

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:28 PM

4. We've also had at least one person who was legally prohibited from owning a gun because of...

 

...a criminal conviction.

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 02:53 PM

7. That's because they like to lecture us stroppy USAnians..

About how superior they are because they have guns bans. That makes them so much more "enlightened" than us ignorant smucks who have been brainwashed by the NRA.

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:04 PM

8. Jury Results

 

At Thu Oct 25, 2012, 11:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Non-US Citizens in the Gungeon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117281712

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

This would seem to be inflammatory, insulting, and possibly xenophobic.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:02 PM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Oh, another xenophoic RW gun troll in the gungeon. This forum should change it's name to 'Tiny Penis Republican Lounge'.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: DU is full of people whining about opinions they don't like lately. Hopefully this will slow down after the election.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT and said: If I could vote to delete it I would.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:22 PM

9. Which juror were you?

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Response to naaman fletcher (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:23 PM

19. JUROR 1 - TOO FUNNY

Got to love it

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Oh, another xenophoic RW gun troll in the gungeon. This forum should change it's name to 'Tiny Penis Republican Lounge'.


Too funny. For the record I oppose hiding his racist post....let it stand on it's own merit. It has none.

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:42 PM

11. Ah, good ol' gungeon xenophobia.

It's been a while, but nice to see that the gungeon is still the same.

I mean, what kind of Commie would voluntarily live in a hellhole like Canadia or Yurup, with the death panels and the redistribution... Might as well go around giving an American Apology Tour! Elitists! Real 'murkhins don't travel any farther than the nearest gun show or NRA convention.

And they definitely don't know the difference between "expatriates" and a people who have ceased supporting their country!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 03:56 PM

14. you never have been to either place have you?

Check out the big gun show in Nuremberg has every year. I like going to gun shows in Canada.
That said, I fail to see where it is xenophobic. It does raise an interesting point. If either one of us posted on something like "labourunderground" "NDPunderground" "Liberalunderground" would we be welcomed by those Brits and Canadians? I sort of doubt it.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:09 PM

17. Why do you ask? So you can paint me as an America-hating elitist?

Only in the NRA bubble is having travelled and lived outside the US considered a negative thing. You should poke your head out from time to time, and join the reality based community.

As for the other question, I'm sure that "LabourUnderground" would be plenty welcoming right up until you started posting right-wing talking points and links to WashingtonTimes articles and pseudoscience from gun blogs. You can't really expect progressives to simply swallow right-wing political views, regardless of what country it is.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #17)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:22 PM

18. not at all

I'm trying to paint you as someone who stereotypes others based on your own prejudices without actually knowing anything about those places or those people. I don't think you actually have traveled abroad.

Only in the NRA bubble is having travelled and lived outside the US considered a negative thing. You should poke your head out from time to time, and join the reality based community.
Only in the rants of some dim witted politicians. Everyone I meet in the "NRA bubble" find it cool that I lived abroad. My son is in the "NRA bubble" and loves Montreal. He was freaking that he wouldn't get his passport renewed in time to go to Kineticfest.
One thing about using "reality based community" as a advertising slogan. It brings up a red flag, like Fox's "fair and balanced" or "Democratic Republic of North Korea." If you have to use it to sell, it's not true.

As for the other question, I'm sure that "LabourUnderground" would be plenty welcoming right up until you started posting right-wing talking points and links to WashingtonTimes articles and pseudoscience from gun blogs. You can't really expect progressives to simply swallow right-wing political views, regardless of what country it is.
What gun blogs? What talking points. Chanting "talking points" is not a rebuttal.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:39 PM

20. Hmm, so you're sticking up for the xenophobic OP, but accusing me of stereotyping? LOL.

I don't think you actually have traveled abroad.

That really hurts gej! You believe every last scrap of NRA propaganda, but you don't believe me!

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Response to DanTex (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:42 PM

21. I don't believe any NRA propaganda

but you do believe every scrap of Brady propaganda, including pseudoscience. I simply asked how is it xenophobic?

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Response to DanTex (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:04 PM

15. Ah, good ol' gun prohibitionist false consensus and stereotyping.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

...This bias is especially prevalent in group settings where one thinks the collective opinion of their own group matches that of the larger population. Since the members of a group reach a consensus and rarely encounter those who dispute it, they tend to believe that everybody thinks the same way.

Additionally, when confronted with evidence that a consensus does not exist, people often assume that those who do not agree with them are defective in some way. There is no single cause for this cognitive bias; the availability heuristic, self-serving bias and naïve realism have been suggested as at least partial underlying factors.


http://www.spring.org.uk/2007/11/why-we-all-stink-as-intuitive.php


...Another bias emerged when participants were asked to describe the attributes of the person who made the opposite choice to their own. Compared to other people who made the same choice they did, people made more extreme predictions about the personalities of those who made didn't share their choice.

To put it a little crassly: people tend to assume that those who don't agree with them have something wrong with them! It might seem like a joke, but it is a real bias that people demonstrate.



http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/002210317790049X

The “false consensus effect”: An egocentric bias in social perception and attribution processes

Lee Ross, David Greene, Pamela House

Stanford University

Abstract

Evidence from four studies demonstrates that social observers tend to perceive a “false consensus” with respect to the relative commonness of their own responses. A related bias was shown to exist in the observers' social inferences. Thus, raters estimated particular responses to be relatively common and relatively unrevealing concerning the actors' distinguishing personal dispositions when the responses in question were similar to the raters' own responses; responses differing from those of the rater, by contrast, were perceived to be relatively uncommon and revealing of the actor. These results were obtained both in questionnaire studies presenting subjects with hypothetical situations and choices and in authentic conflict situations. The implications of these findings for our understanding of social perception phenomena and for our analysis of the divergent perceptions of actors and observers are discussed. Finally, cognitive and perceptual mechanisms are proposed which might account for distortions in perceived consensus and for corresponding biases in social inference and attributional processes




Personally, I'd love to raise a family in Switzerland. They've got the kind of family values I like:



The caption:

"This girl, one of 1,585 who competed, is being coached in sharpshooting with the Assault Rifle 90, the Swiss service rifle."



"The score card: Father and daughter, Swiss diversity."






http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/articles/swiss_teen_rifle_festival.html


Girl Beats Guys: A Swiss Teen Rifle Festival
Das Zürcher Knabenschiessen

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:05 PM

16. No

You ask:

Have you noticed that the preponderance of the few, really radical, in-your-face, anti-gun folks that blanket us with Google Dumps and elitist BS have proven to be expatriates or have never been US Citizens?


No. You know this because of how they 'look' on DU? Or did you go to the Sheriff Joe Arpaio school of racial profiling? Did they tell you they were non-citizens?

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/10/nation/la-na-nn-joe-arpaio-20120510



You state:

We never have been just like them. We never will be just like them.


Like who? Non-citizens? What a load of ...

No doubt this post is racist but I'll defend your right to voice it. I oppose hiding your post because it really does make you sound .....like .....how did juror 1 put it....

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Response to DWC (Original post)

Thu Oct 25, 2012, 04:56 PM

22. Locking

This doesn't fit the SoP of the Group, nor does it pertain to the functioning of said Group.

Regards,
Krispos42, Group Host

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