Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:30 AM
SecularMotion (3,143 posts)
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy says more must be done to keep guns out of the hands of convicted criminals Local leaders on both sides of the New York City-Nassau County border — Mayor Bloomberg and Nassau District Attorney Kathleen Rice — are doing everything they can to keep their cops and constituents safe.
But we must do more to keep guns out of the hands of convicted criminals and other dangerous people. Federal lawmakers need to take action, too. That means improving the National Instant Criminal Background Check system so those trying to buy through traditional, legal channels are stopped in their tracks. Right now, Congress doesn’t fund the program well enough for it to be effective. It also means closing the gun-show loophole by requiring a background check for every gun sale in the United States. Such checks would choke the supply chain for illegal gun dealers, who go down to states where background checks aren’t required. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mccarthy-guns-people-problem-article-1.1190804#ixzz2ADt1c0HW
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| Author | Time | Post | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | OP | |
| aikoaiko | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| Remmah2 | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| slackmaster | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| former-republican | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| Db Owen97 | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| sarisataka | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Db Owen97 | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| oneshooter | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| virginia mountainman | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| Trunk Monkey | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| ileus | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| gejohnston | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| Db Owen97 | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Eleanors38 | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| 4th law of robotics | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| trouble.smith | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| trouble.smith | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| glacierbay | Oct 2012 | #24 | |
| rl6214 | Oct 2012 | #23 |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:37 AM
aikoaiko (16,556 posts)
1. Too bad she doesn't ponder why her constituents buy guns illegally and victimize each other.
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:16 AM
Remmah2 (3,291 posts)
2. I wonder what she really means? nt
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nt
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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:24 AM
slackmaster (60,567 posts)
3. Open up the NICS background check system to non-federal firearms licensees
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Response to slackmaster (Reply #3)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:35 PM
former-republican (2,163 posts)
7. That would be pretty easy to do.
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:39 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) But it still wouldn't stop criminals from buying firearms.
Stopping illegal gun sales is like trying to stop illegal drug sales. Why it's only available to FFL's never made any sense to me. It's the same thing is when a person wants to buy a gun from a private party. If you suspect it could be stolen and you call the police they refuse to run a serial number check. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:25 AM
Db Owen97 (40 posts)
4. To SecularMotion
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Isn't that the same person that said a barrel shroud is and I quote "The shoulder-thing that goes up?"
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Response to Db Owen97 (Reply #4)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:47 AM
sarisataka (2,156 posts)
5. You are correct
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:50 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1) On the April 18, 2007, episode of MSNBC's program Tucker, Tucker Carlson interviewed McCarthy about the Virginia Tech massacre and her proposed reauthorization of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban. He asked her to explain the need to regulate barrel shrouds, one of the many provisions included in her bill. She did not directly answer as she had no clue what she was even talking about, so instead she responded that what was more important was that the legislation would ban large capacity "clips" (sic) of the type used in the Virginia Tech massacre and that the class of guns chosen prohibited by the law were those used by gangs and killers of police officers. The Virginia Tech shooter did not have high capacity magazines; they were the AWB compliant 10 round variety, once again showing her general lack of knowledge on the subject. When Carlson pressed her twice more on the question about barrel shrouds, she finally admitted that she did not know what a barrel shroud was, and said (incorrectly): "I believe it is a shoulder thing that goes up." The error received negative attention from the conservative media and made for a hilarious video online. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolyn_McCarthy#Gun_control
I found this also: McCarthy introduced (H.R. 2640, the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007) to remedy this problem. The bill, with the support of the National Rifle Association, was passed by the House and signed by President Bush.
emphasis added Must be a mistake... aren't we told this never happens... gun everywhere for everyone... |
Response to Db Owen97 (Reply #4)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 11:50 AM
SecularMotion (3,143 posts)
6. You never answered my question
Response to SecularMotion (Reply #6)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:55 PM
Db Owen97 (40 posts)
10. What question did you ask me?
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It's kind of tricky to figure out this spot (I'm use to the standard structure of a forum)
Feel free to ask me and I'll answer to the best of my ability. |
Response to Db Owen97 (Reply #10)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:26 PM
SecularMotion (3,143 posts)
12. It would be best to reply in the original thread
Response to SecularMotion (Reply #12)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:41 PM
oneshooter (5,907 posts)
15. Why should he, when you rairly answer any questions directed to you.
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" Do you support the Brady Campaign and /or the Violence Prevention center?"
And if so then how? |
Response to oneshooter (Reply #15)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 01:20 AM
virginia mountainman (4,127 posts)
17. One he don't support the Brady Campain...
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No one individual cares enough to give more than $200.... NO ONE......
Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence Contributors
Select a Cycle: Individual donors gave 0 large ($200+) contributions to this PAC in 2011-2012. http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cycle=2012&cmte=C00113449 Heck Brady has a little more cash on hand than I personally spent on my almost 16 year old daughter's 10 year old used car for her. LOL it was no BMW, but a mere Pontiac... End Cash on Hand $3,701
O well, when you support very unpopular legislation, no suprise you have a hard time finding funding. But hey!! They gave $500 dollars in political contributions, to "A" democrat... |
Response to oneshooter (Reply #15)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:20 AM
SecularMotion (3,143 posts)
18. I'm a Democrat who supports the party platform on guns
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We recognize that the individual right to bear arms is an important part of the American tradition, and we will preserve Americans' Second Amendment right to own and use firearms. We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation. We understand the terrible consequences of gun violence; it serves as a reminder that life is fragile, and our time here is limited and precious. We believe in an honest, open national conversation about firearms. We can focus on effective enforcement of existing laws, especially strengthening our background check system, and we can work together to enact commonsense improvements--like reinstating the assault weapons ban and closing the gun show loophole--so that guns do not fall into the hands of those irresponsible, law-breaking few.
http://www.issues2000.org/celeb/Democratic_Party_Gun_Control.htm |
Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:01 AM
Trunk Monkey (950 posts)
20. Apparently not in any meaningful way NT
Response to Db Owen97 (Reply #4)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:35 PM
ileus (9,205 posts)
8. That was a real quote from someone? LOL
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Now that's fumby...
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Response to ileus (Reply #8)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 12:42 PM
gejohnston (12,572 posts)
9. you haven't seen it?
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of course there are those heat seeking bullets https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=BRQqieimwLQ |
Response to gejohnston (Reply #9)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:13 PM
Db Owen97 (40 posts)
11. Oh yes...
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And lets not forget those puppy,baby,and kitten killing .223 bullets that destroy a police station whenever they are fired (even if they are fired in another country,I think they leave anti-semitic messages in their wake as well) *Sarcasm : Off*
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Response to Db Owen97 (Reply #4)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:34 PM
Eleanors38 (3,435 posts)
13. A genuine prohibitionist maintains the purest ignorance of that which is to be banned.nt
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:42 PM
4th law of robotics (6,801 posts)
14. Ok, everyone who has ever committed a crime will have their hands removed
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Last edited Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:43 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) and be tattooed so they can never have a job which would allow them to buy guns or prosthetic replacements.
There. Problem solved. Sure it violates some rights. But you don't want children to be killed do you? It's really about them. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:14 PM
trouble.smith (374 posts)
16. how about you start by locking up convicted criminals
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and then not releasing them back onto the streets if they are still a threat to the police and your constituents? as opposed to, say, harassing hard working, law abiding, tax paying citizens who are also part of your constituencies.
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Response to trouble.smith (Reply #16)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 05:24 AM
SecularMotion (3,143 posts)
19. So background checks on gun buyers are harassment?
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That's a very extreme position, even the NRA supports background checks.
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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #19)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:18 AM
trouble.smith (374 posts)
21. The NRA doesn't support ending private firearms sales between law abiding citizens and neither do I.
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furthermore, I don't think closing the so called "gun show loophole" will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and I think it's just the beginning of more draconian restrictions on second amendment rights which, you'll recall, shall not be infringed upon. we all know that ending private firearm sales is just the tip of the spear point aimed at the second amendment. What's more, as usual, this seemingly good intentioned legislative idea is rooted in the false premise that guns are the problem. Guns are not the problem, criminals are the problems so go after the criminals and quit worrying about guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.
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Response to trouble.smith (Reply #21)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 07:38 AM
SecularMotion (3,143 posts)
22. Who said anything about ending private firearm sales?
Response to SecularMotion (Reply #19)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 12:47 PM
glacierbay (2,477 posts)
24. I do support background checks on private sales of firearms
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unfortunately, private sellers can't access the NICS system right now, I would like to see the NICS opened up for private sellers with a simple yes or no on sale.
No registration, no records kept, nothing, just yes or no. |
Response to SecularMotion (Original post)
Thu Oct 25, 2012, 08:28 AM
rl6214 (7,383 posts)
23. Ol' one trick pony McCarthy is at it again, eh?
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"Rep. Carolyn McCarthy is a Nassau County Democrat. She was elected to Congress in 1996, three years after her husband, Dennis, was murdered in a gun rampage on a Long Island Rail Road train."
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/mccarthy-guns-people-problem-article-1.1190804#ixzz2AJTt9SoR |

