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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:31 AM

Wisconsin Spa Shooting Brings Call for New Gun Laws

The Boston Herald reports

Two Wisconsin lawmakers are pushing legislation to tighten the enforcement of gun rules in domestic violence cases, prompted by a fatal shooting rampage at a suburban Milwaukee spa.


The article goes on to explain that two days after the ex-wife got a restraining order against Radcliffe, we bought a gun from a private seller. It was that gun he used to shoot up the spa.

It seems to me they need to do more than enforce the restrictions on domestic abusers. They need to eliminate the private sales of guns without background checks.

What do you think? Please leave a comment.
Cross posted at Mikeb302000

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Reply Wisconsin Spa Shooting Brings Call for New Gun Laws (Original post)
mikeb302000 Oct 2012 OP
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #1
Clames Oct 2012 #2
tblue Oct 2012 #5
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #11
ileus Oct 2012 #13
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #15
ileus Oct 2012 #12
SecularMotion Oct 2012 #14
Berserker Oct 2012 #17
Clames Oct 2012 #23
tblue Oct 2012 #4
gejohnston Oct 2012 #6
holdencaufield Oct 2012 #8
Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #22
Clames Oct 2012 #24
gejohnston Oct 2012 #3
petronius Oct 2012 #7
gejohnston Oct 2012 #9
machI Oct 2012 #10
Remmah2 Oct 2012 #16
slackmaster Oct 2012 #18
Trunk Monkey Oct 2012 #19
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #20
4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #21
discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2012 #25

Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:39 AM

1. I'm shocked ...

 

... that anyone would try to exploit a personal tragedy to further their political agenda.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:47 AM

2. Shouldn't be. Anti-gunners excel a such nonsense.

 

Tony Gibart, policy coordinator for the Wisconsin Coalition against Domestic Violence, supports Taylorís bill but admits it may not have done anything to stop Haughton.


No shit.

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Response to Clames (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:53 AM

5. Pro-killing machiners do too.

That's all a gun is.

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Response to tblue (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 05:04 AM

11. If my killing machine never kills anything ...

 

... am I entitled to a refund?

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:24 AM

13. your death spewer is defective...send it to me.

Pm for my addy

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Response to ileus (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:36 AM

15. Molon Labe ...

 

... file moy

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Response to tblue (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:23 AM

12. firearms are meant to save lives.

When used used as designed that is the only purpose of self defense firearms.

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Response to ileus (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:08 AM

14. So are life preservers

Yet, 30K people a year are not killed by life preservers.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 09:31 AM

17. There are 308,745,538 million

 

people in the United States. If we were all at sea I am sure that over 30,000 people would die each year because they did not want to use their safety device.

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Response to tblue (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:24 PM

23. You almost made a point.

 

Almost.

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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:50 AM

4. Common sense gun control is not a political agenda

It's a matter of public safety and just common sense.

I'm shocked that this endless series of senseless deaths isn't treated as a dire emergency necessitating serious actions to prevent future deaths. What a damn shame.

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Response to tblue (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:57 AM

6. define common sense

and yes, it is a political agenda. Part of the problem is simply getting local police to enforce existing federal law. Under federal law, he should have turned in or disposed of his guns. It is a federal crime to possess a gun.
Question, how would you enforce the requirement for a private sale being brokered by an FFL?

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Response to tblue (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:58 AM

8. A lot of things are responsible for senseless deaths ...

 

... firearms being way behind things like bathtubs, swimming pools and automobiles -- none of which are Constitutionally Protected. But, I've yet to see either party's platform call for a ban on spas or jacuzzis.

And yes ... for the record ... Gun Control ("common-sense" or otherwise) is the textbook definition of a political agenda.

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Response to tblue (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:59 PM

22. Actually it is prohibition which is the agenda.nt

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Response to tblue (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:26 PM

24. "Common Sense" gun control...

 

...isn't either. Your lack of knowledge on this topic is a shame too.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:47 AM

3. at the risk of being a precision nazi,

but it is the INTP in me.
The article reads:
He had bought the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun he used in the attack from a private owner on Saturday, according to police in Brown Deer, the Milwaukee suburb where Haughton lived. The seller did nothing illegal; private individuals are not required to conduct background checks or enforce a 48-hour waiting period as licensed gun dealers are under state law.


How it should read:
He bought the .40 caliber semiautomatic handgun he used in the attack from a private owner on Saturday, according to police in Brown Deer, the Milwaukee suburb where Haughton lived. The seller did nothing illegal; private individuals are not allowed to conduct background checks as licensed gun dealers are required under federal law or enforce a 48-hour waiting period as licensed gun dealers are under state law.


It seems to me that the state does need to get its enforcement act together. How the state is going to get the city and county police to better enforce a federal law, I am not a police administration wonk.
BTW
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117281257

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:58 AM

7. At the risk of being an even more uptight precisionite, should it not be

"...private individuals are not allowed to conduct background checks as licensed gun dealers are required under federal law, nor required to enforce a 48-hour waiting period..."?

Private sellers can insist on any length of waiting period they want - it's neither required nor forbidden.

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Response to petronius (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 02:00 AM

9. yeah, but it's late and I wasn't

really going for sentence structure.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 04:26 AM

10. Here is what mikee posted:

The article goes on to explain that two days after the ex-wife got a restraining order against Radcliffe, we bought a gun from a private seller. It was that gun he used to shoot up the spa.


What is this "WE" business? Were you there Mikee? Does this mean you were a co-conspirator?

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Response to machI (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 08:52 AM

16. Maybe he's a hidden criminal?? nt

 

nt

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:25 AM

18. Open up the NICS background check system to non-federal firearms licensees

 

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:41 AM

19. They're NOT calling for new laws, they're calling for better enforcement of EXISTING laws

 

but you knew that

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:58 AM

20. Umm...

"...we bought a gun from a private seller."


These guys do enough damage without your help.

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Response to mikeb302000 (Original post)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 01:46 PM

21. Why don't we push new laws after every crime?

 

Murder is illegal.

That law didn't work here.

We need new laws that make murder more illegal.

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Response to 4th law of robotics (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 24, 2012, 07:40 PM

25. "new"???

I haven't read in the article about any "new" laws, just old ideas for laws that didn't/haven't worked.

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