Tue Oct 23, 2012, 07:41 PM

PavePusher (15,374 posts)

Think of the children!!

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-homicide-victim-killed-in-self-defense/nSkSf/

Police: Homicide victim killed in self-defense

By Alexis Stevens

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

A 22-year-old Gwinnett County man who was shot to death at a neighborhood park was killed in self-defense, police said Monday.

Rashad Jones was found shot to death Tuesday night near the tennis courts in the River Stone neighborhood, located at Bridge Walk Drive and Oak Road, near Lawrenceville and Ronald Reagan Parkway, according to Gwinnett police.

Investigators previously said the shooting was the result of a rip-off scam gone bad. Neither Jones nor the alleged shooter lived in the neighborhood, which neighbors said is frequented by non-residents who treat the sports courts as though they were part of a public park.

But police now believe Jones, who was found with an unloaded gun, was the aggressor and that the shooter, whose name was not released, acted in self-defense, according to Cpl. Jake Smith.

No charges will be filed in the shooting death, Smith said.

Aren't we told here, with some frequency, that no-one needs to be able to defend themselves in public parks? I wonder what this man did that he so enraged someone as to entice them to attack with a lethal weapon in such a peaceful place?

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161 replies	Author	Time	Post
Think of the children!! (Original post)	PavePusher	Oct 2012	OP
to get rid of illegal guns, first we must keep all legal guns inside, and make new laws.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#1
I know we now live in a permissive society ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#4
depends if you goal is to protect the guns or protect the safe life for everyone	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#10
My gun DOES protect life ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#13
people with legal guns are living their life in prisons of their own makings	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#18
Ridiculous ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#19
never say never. After all, recently a cop left his gun in the bathroom LOL LOL LOL	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#24
I've would never leave my cop in the bathroom ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#25
funny	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#26
I played all this evening with the	ileus	Oct 2012	#31
Sounds like a LOVELY prison ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#58
Oooooh, dogma!	derby378	Oct 2012	#52
How extensive is the duty of a victim to ascertain if a brandished firearm is actually loaded?	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#5
+1 +1 +1 +1 grand slam	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#54
To protect the children we must first get rid of the things that cause violence	ProgressiveProfessor	Oct 2012	#16
So I'll ask you again	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#61
why do you worry about the criminals when it's the legal guns that kill so much more.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#62
Why won't you answer a simple question?	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#64
"...it's the legal guns that kill so much more."	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#65
AMEN!!!!	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#106
Being as I can't get him to answer this question	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#108
Any?	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#109
Ok I'll bite	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#112
There are....	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#137
There is already laws against that	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#138
Agreement Again	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#160
Agreement is good.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#161
Huh?	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#110
No	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#111
Missed the Part Where You Call for a Ban	fightthegoodfightnow	Oct 2012	#113
Why would I call for a ban on extended or hi cap mags?	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#114
There is a LONG list ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#2
yea, like d'uh- because a gun was inside the place it shouldn't be	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#11
So -- what you're saying is ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#17
yes. why are you afraid of getting on an airplane that is safe due to a TSA security system	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#20
"gun in a plane at 30,000 feet would put a hole in the plane and it would crash"	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#22
That myth has long been busted.	Clames	Oct 2012	#29
I have been in military aviation maintenance for 22 years....	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#37
You remind me of an	Jenoch	Oct 2012	#57
I'd have no problem with that. Well... I'd prefer to carry my own sidearm....	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#59
re: "...at 30,000 feet would put a hole in the plane and it would crash."	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#45
Ya know, Google is your friend	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#63
Another point of ignorance...	57_TomCat	Oct 2012	#68
I know he is dead and zimmerman stalked and killed the good lad.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#70
Even that amount of info...	57_TomCat	Oct 2012	#71
Trey is a child with a wonderful family and a wonderful mother. I do weep for him and his family.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#72
and this child would be harmed or dead	gejohnston	Oct 2012	#73
one thing I have learned-the super lobby group NRA is wrong 24/7/365 forever.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#75
said individual has been aressted for abducting another girl the previous month	gejohnston	Oct 2012	#85
the ACLU of Bill Kunstler got Bush family inc. off for Iran/Contra. Did you shred a tear then?	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#90
he did? Some how I don't picture it	gejohnston	Oct 2012	#97
ironic, huh? they sure did. Try a little homework.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#101
I looked and looked and I can't find anything about William Kunstler	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#98
ironic huh. the ACLU sure did. And I believe Bill was still alive at the time.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#102
Since you're so intimately familiar	sylvi	Oct 2012	#141
the ACLU indeed did defend the Bushfamilyinc in a most famous case...shred a tear dear.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#142
You're babbling	sylvi	Oct 2012	#143
btw- you do not like the USA court system?	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#144
Hey Carnac	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#146
The only person talking about OJ Simpson	sylvi	Oct 2012	#149
you don't get parables, do you? Or Al E. Gore'ees	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#150
I get both	sylvi	Oct 2012	#151
the good people of the United States found him innocent	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#152
And the good people of the United States and the good people of NV.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#155
based on the evidence that was presented...however no other person would have gotten 1 yr	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#156
Seems the good people of NV disagree with you.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#157
Maybe because	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#153
either way in a few he will be out	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#158
Yep	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#159
I've already come to the conclusion	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#145
I could defeat you in a duel with both hands & feet tied behind my back. A brain duel.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#147
Thank you for proving my point.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#148
I've given it some thought	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#44
This message was hidden by jury decision.	upaloopa	Oct 2012	#3
Do not advocate for the murder of lawful persons in my threads.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#6
You don't get to define my posts	upaloopa	Oct 2012	#8
"When all the shooters are gone no one gets shot...."	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#9
I'm predicting...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#49
I'm reminded ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#50
Say your prayers, sing kumbaya...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#51
So, you equate the lawful and the criminal as the same?	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#12
I equate ALL guns as equal. They all are WMD and they all kill. Get all of them off the streets.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#14
My firearms collectively have existed over 1000 years	ileus	Oct 2012	#36
I would wager that like most people who make such sweeping, simplistic statements...	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#76
legal guns are the problem in getting rid of illegal guns	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#77
Classic non-answer	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#87
An illegal gun will never be gotten rid of long as there are legal ones	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#89
And if one gets rid of legal guns, do illegal ones somehow evaporate?	friendly_iconoclast	Oct 2012	#93
Don't expect a straight answer from this one	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#94
How do you propose to accomplish your goal?	Jenoch	Oct 2012	#81
With a War on Guns, of course- which will no doubt be as effective as the War on Drugs...	friendly_iconoclast	Oct 2012	#83
like the war on cigarettes. 90% used to smoke, now 10% do.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#88
"one thing they never are/will/or was is democrats." Psst, your inner zampolit is showing.	friendly_iconoclast	Oct 2012	#92
Get over yourself	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#95
Would you believe Control is better than Kaos.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#104
Not the kind of control you want buddy boy.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#105
calling a fellow human being an animal shows me all I need to show. MMMM	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#117
Yeah	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#118
You said you were a cop. Do you start each day thinking a human is a vicious animal?	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#120
Still didn't answer my question	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#122
some people thought Edison and Einstein were crazy or criminals too.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#126
WHY WON'T YOU ANSWER A SIMPLE QUESTION?	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#128
yes they should be accessories in actuality. This is the gun thread	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#129
Now I know that you're a	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#131
It seems the community disagrees with you.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#15
as I am a very loyal and good union man here is my reply	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#21
O.K........ what?	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#38
I'm sure you want nobody at all to have guns...	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#27
Looks like a jury defined it for you.	Clames	Oct 2012	#30
It was a 6-0 smackdown, and well-deserved	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#66
No, but we get to alert on them when they are this sick	DonP	Oct 2012	#32
Firearms are designed to save lives.	ileus	Oct 2012	#33
firearms are designed to kill	CreekDog	Oct 2012	#67
Firearms are designed to...	57_TomCat	Oct 2012	#69
+zillion. You need to get rid of the legal guns to get rid of the illegal guns	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#78
We got rid of legal heroin in 1914- 98 years ago. The illegal variety is still available.	friendly_iconoclast	Oct 2012	#82
want to bet?	gejohnston	Oct 2012	#86
S, it's not really about keeping guns "inside," but about banning them all. Thought so.nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#140
Bloodthirsty much?	Straw Man	Oct 2012	#7
I am very proud. Each day more and more anti-gun people are coming forward on threads	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#23
People who express anti-gun sentiments respectfully have always been welcome in this group	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#28
Not really.	Clames	Oct 2012	#34
"We will not be bullied into silence."	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#35
a legal gun outside the home, is the reason an illegal gun cannot be gotten rid of.(part 9)	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#40
Is that what you call ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#41
as Johnny Nash (not Cash) sang "I can see clearly now" lol	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#42
And as John Cleese (c) said "You're a Loonie" NT	DonP	Oct 2012	#43
Actually ...	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#46
In this case, an equally applicable phrase.	DonP	Oct 2012	#47
Well...	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#48
it's certainly untainted by cheese NT	DonP	Oct 2012	#74
I...think it's a bit runnier than you'll like it, sir.	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Oct 2012	#79
and Eric Idle (c)...did NOT sing "isn't it really nice to have the NRA...thank you very much.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#91
????????????????	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#96
...Squirrel! n/t	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#99
Squirrely.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#100
I love squirrels. I watch them play all the time. Very smart intelligent creatures made by God.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#103
I also love squirrels, generally with dumplings or gravy.	oneshooter	Oct 2012	#107
that just shows me all I need to know.	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#115
Why? You don't eat meat? Or are you one of those people who have someone else do your killing for yo	oneshooter	Oct 2012	#133
Are you a vegan? n/t	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#136
Raccoons	sarisataka	Oct 2012	#132
Actually, many rodents do that. n/t	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#134
Just proving once again	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#135
Hands? They eat with their HANDS? That's some funny funny shit right there...	cherokeeprogressive	Oct 2012	#154
Did you really just quote John Lennon the wife beater as a 'peace hero'?	AtheistCrusader	Oct 2012	#60
So you intend to bully the other side into silence?	derby378	Oct 2012	#53
Did you mean that for me?	holdencaufield	Oct 2012	#55
D'oh! Sorry about that.	derby378	Oct 2012	#56
No-one is bullying you.	PavePusher	Oct 2012	#39
It's everywhere: Why are so many libs obsessed with bullies?	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#80
funny that there are liberals on a liberal democrat board. Peace&love without the NRA & guns 4ever	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#116
Liberals execising their 2A rights	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#119
taking away people's 1st amendment right to life/liberty/pursuit of happiness	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#121
Where in the 1st Amendment does is say anything about	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#123
So you agree my 1stamend. right to peaceful assemble is hurt by your gun? Glad we agree on something	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#124
Checkmate?	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#125
majority of Americans? Did you ask 500 NRA members and they agree with you???	graham4anything	Oct 2012	#127
Yeah, majority of Americans.	glacierbay	Oct 2012	#130
Perhaps you are just now discovering? There's nothing liberal about gun-control. "Ever."nt	Eleanors38	Oct 2012	#139
They are if you equate "bullying" with "not joining in an amen chorus"	friendly_iconoclast	Oct 2012	#84

Response to PavePusher (Original post)

Tue Oct 23, 2012, 07:45 PM

graham4anything (9,313 posts)

1. to get rid of illegal guns, first we must keep all legal guns inside, and make new laws.

to protect our children outside.

I do think of children killed with legal guns.
I think of the parents of poor Trey, who was executed by a coward named Zimmerman who stalked and in cold blood murdered Trey.

because of legal guns, no one knows which outside guns are illegal or legal.

get all of them off the street.

(btw-another person killed who didn't have a loaded gun in the example above.)

peace and love always.

Think of the children!!

1. to get rid of illegal guns, first we must keep all legal guns inside, and make new laws.

4. I know we now live in a permissive society ...

10. depends if you goal is to protect the guns or protect the safe life for everyone

13. My gun DOES protect life ...

18. people with legal guns are living their life in prisons of their own makings

19. Ridiculous ...

24. never say never. After all, recently a cop left his gun in the bathroom LOL LOL LOL

25. I've would never leave my cop in the bathroom ...

26. funny

31. I played all this evening with the

58. Sounds like a LOVELY prison ...

52. Oooooh, dogma!

5. How extensive is the duty of a victim to ascertain if a brandished firearm is actually loaded?

54. +1 +1 +1 +1 grand slam

16. To protect the children we must first get rid of the things that cause violence

61. So I'll ask you again

62. why do you worry about the criminals when it's the legal guns that kill so much more.

64. Why won't you answer a simple question?

65. "...it's the legal guns that kill so much more."

106. AMEN!!!!

108. Being as I can't get him to answer this question

109. Any?

112. Ok I'll bite

137. There are....

138. There is already laws against that

160. Agreement Again

161. Agreement is good.

110. Huh?

111. No

113. Missed the Part Where You Call for a Ban

114. Why would I call for a ban on extended or hi cap mags?

2. There is a LONG list ...

11. yea, like d'uh- because a gun was inside the place it shouldn't be

17. So -- what you're saying is ...

20. yes. why are you afraid of getting on an airplane that is safe due to a TSA security system

22. "gun in a plane at 30,000 feet would put a hole in the plane and it would crash"

29. That myth has long been busted.

37. I have been in military aviation maintenance for 22 years....

57. You remind me of an

59. I'd have no problem with that. Well... I'd prefer to carry my own sidearm....

45. re: "...at 30,000 feet would put a hole in the plane and it would crash."

63. Ya know, Google is your friend

68. Another point of ignorance...

70. I know he is dead and zimmerman stalked and killed the good lad.

71. Even that amount of info...

72. Trey is a child with a wonderful family and a wonderful mother. I do weep for him and his family.

73. and this child would be harmed or dead

75. one thing I have learned-the super lobby group NRA is wrong 24/7/365 forever.

85. said individual has been aressted for abducting another girl the previous month

90. the ACLU of Bill Kunstler got Bush family inc. off for Iran/Contra. Did you shred a tear then?

97. he did? Some how I don't picture it

101. ironic, huh? they sure did. Try a little homework.

98. I looked and looked and I can't find anything about William Kunstler

102. ironic huh. the ACLU sure did. And I believe Bill was still alive at the time.

141. Since you're so intimately familiar

142. the ACLU indeed did defend the Bushfamilyinc in a most famous case...shred a tear dear.

143. You're babbling

144. btw- you do not like the USA court system?

146. Hey Carnac

149. The only person talking about OJ Simpson

150. you don't get parables, do you? Or Al E. Gore'ees

151. I get both

152. the good people of the United States found him innocent

155. And the good people of the United States and the good people of NV.

156. based on the evidence that was presented...however no other person would have gotten 1 yr

157. Seems the good people of NV disagree with you.

153. Maybe because

158. either way in a few he will be out

159. Yep

145. I've already come to the conclusion

147. I could defeat you in a duel with both hands & feet tied behind my back. A brain duel.

148. Thank you for proving my point.

44. I've given it some thought

6. Do not advocate for the murder of lawful persons in my threads.

8. You don't get to define my posts

9. "When all the shooters are gone no one gets shot...."

49. I'm predicting...

50. I'm reminded ...

51. Say your prayers, sing kumbaya...