Sun Oct 21, 2012, 05:27 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
Updated: A poll for the modification of the SOPLast edited Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:43 PM USA/ET - Edit history (2)
Proposed: Discuss the right to keep and bear arms relating to laws, the Second Amendment and the use of firearms for self-defense, committing crimes and violence.
ETA: As I read the current SOP, laws which are not gun control measures nor the actual second amendment can only be discussed in relation to a crime or an instance of self-defense or other violence. This would IMHO exclude the discussion of laws such as SYG as it is not a "gun control law". Sorry for any confusion.
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Author | Time | Post |
 Updated: A poll for the modification of the SOP (Original post) |
discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | OP |
| Trunk Monkey | Oct 2012 | #1 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #6 | |
| Trunk Monkey | Oct 2012 | #10 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #11 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Oct 2012 | #2 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #5 | |
| Glaug-Eldare | Oct 2012 | #7 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #8 | |
| holdencaufield | Oct 2012 | #3 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #4 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #9 | |
| ellisonz | Oct 2012 | #12 | |
| SecularMotion | Oct 2012 | #13 | |
| ellisonz | Oct 2012 | #16 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #18 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #14 | |
| ellisonz | Oct 2012 | #15 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #17 | |
| ellisonz | Oct 2012 | #19 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #20 | |
| ellisonz | Oct 2012 | #22 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #23 | |
| gejohnston | Oct 2012 | #21 | |
| discntnt_irny_srcsm | Oct 2012 | #24 |
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #1)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:10 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
6. re: "It's already been made quite clear..."
Response to Trunk Monkey (Reply #10)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:21 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
11. me, too
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Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 08:32 PM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
2. I don't see the need for a change.
Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #2)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:08 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
5. Mostly, I just wanted to make explicit...
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...that laws relating to the RKBA whether gun control laws or laws like SYG were within the SOP. Many folks read things rather literally.
It was clear to me when I wrote the proposed SOP but now I see that it was not clear to others when they compared the OP to the SOP.  |
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #5)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:15 PM
Glaug-Eldare (1,018 posts)
7. Ah, I see what you mean.
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Last edited Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:15 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1) |
Response to Glaug-Eldare (Reply #7)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 11:54 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
8. You're welcome
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Best regards
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Response to holdencaufield (Reply #3)
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 10:59 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
4. Responding to this post as it's most recent
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As I read the current SOP, laws which are not gun control measures nor the actual second amendment can only be discussed in relation to a crime or an instance of self-defense or other violence. This would IMHO exclude the discussion of laws such as SYG as it is not a "gun control law". (All in the wording)
Probably best to forget it. I may be over thinking the whole thing. |
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 01:29 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
9. OP updated n/t
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:48 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
12. lol
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SYG is a self-defense law - did you miss the part of the SOP that says clearly you can discuss "the use of firearms for self-defense."
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #12)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 02:59 PM
SecularMotion (3,243 posts)
13. The gunners seem to have as much trouble interpreting the SOP
Response to ellisonz (Reply #16)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:45 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
18. It seems you pro-control folks...
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...are at least consistent in your view of both the 2A and the group SOP in reading into both what isn't there.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #12)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:05 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
14. No...
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...but there is no explicit inclusion of the discussion of laws regarding the use of firearms for self-defense.
I would think that there should also be a provision for the discussion of laws which would protect the RKBA. There is nothing in the current SOP addressing that area either. |
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #14)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:21 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
15. What part of "use of" don't you understand?
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Do you think it's just talking about Ronald Reagan's Dirty Harry wet dreams?
Show me there has been a problem that requires a solution! |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #15)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:43 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
17. Please highlight for me...
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...which of the boldface words below is the word law.
Discuss gun control laws, the Second Amendment, the use of firearms for self-defense, and the use of firearms to commit crime and violence.
My reading of the SOP covers - The discussion of:
None of those five refers to a discussion of the laws underlying the use of firearms for self-defense. You ad hominem comments are ill-considered. BTW, where you been? IMHO, you're been scarce. |
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #17)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:45 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
19. Oy Vey
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Laws governing the use of firearms for self-defense is discussion of the use of firearms for self-defense!!!
"BTW, where you been? IMHO, you're been scarce." Not barking up a tree/also working and family. "You ad hominem comments are ill-considered." If I can't piss on Ronald Reagan's grave, whose grave can I piss on?  |
Response to ellisonz (Reply #19)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:50 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
20. In the current SOP...
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Reply #20)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:06 PM
ellisonz (26,326 posts)
22. I shudder to think how you would read the General Welfare Clause of the Constitution.
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EAT YOUR BROCCOLI ! ! !
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #22)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 04:12 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
23. A topic on which...
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...HW and I agree is that of broccoli.
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Response to ellisonz (Reply #19)
Mon Oct 22, 2012, 03:54 PM
21. If I can't piss on Ronald Reagan's grave, whose grave can I piss on?
Response to discntnt_irny_srcsm (Original post)
Tue Oct 23, 2012, 01:49 PM
discntnt_irny_srcsm (5,867 posts)
24. kick n/t
